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Re: Should ppl who don't play the game be leading the community?
Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:30 pm
by Whyte
Bazsy if like amazing so Geisha he can say what he likes.
Re: Should ppl who don't play the game be leading the community?
Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:35 pm
by Legendary Apophis
geisha wrote:Bazsy wrote:The line is just around the biggest 2-3 religions, becuase noone can argue over what those are... (I hope so).
What are the 3 biggest religion? And what makes them bigger or more valid than others? This is discriminating and you can't argue it. Ban one, ban them all or be a racist.
Oh and talking about official ways, I did report your post but of course it was ignored
Anyway this topic isn't about your narrow minded personality, it is a discussion if mods should play the game or not. I just used your incompetence as an example.
You got a point somehow there...limitate to three religions IS WRONG...there are at least FIVE "big" religions as far as I know, the two missing ones being Buddhism (philosophy it is I know, but many believe in it) and Hinduism. Other philosophies being Confucianism, Zoroastrism, Taoism...
But I get the point Baszy made is, I hope at least, when he said three religions he didn't mean three principal ones but more likely the "valid" and "accepted commonly" ones, those I listed in addition to three ones with monotheism. I know there are also the ones who belive in spirits of ancestors etc...they aren't less valid than others mentionned above. I say in my opinion list of "valid ones" ends there.
But adding some fictional or polemical
"religions
" that isn't mentionned on the above list, as much tolerant as I can be, I agree with the fact we can't add tons of other religions that are usually more sects than anything, or web users fun creations.
Re: Should ppl who don't play the game be leading the community?
Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:39 pm
by Bazsy
Well biggest world religions and religions followed by most ppl on these forums are not the same.
But I think we shouldnt ban merry xmas topics together with lets say topics by a religion with 1000 followers. Because if we allow both, we would have to allow 100 if 100 ppl would want to post... and that would end up with cross religious hate campaings as it used to be.
BTW I dont think we use to have religious topics other than christian holydays anyway...
And like I said, my 2-3 biggest religion statement isnt a rule. I just made some guidelines to help decide what is okay and what is not (at least as I think) We have more admins and Im not the big boss here anyway:)
Re: Should ppl who don't play the game be leading the community?
Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:48 pm
by Almost38
geisha wrote:Yes, this is the correct section, because it is a discussion about ingame actions against moderators and the connection between the game and the forums. So it perfectly falls under the description of the SGW General forums which reads "Forum for all general ingame discussion".
So, I have noticed that quite a few mods on the forums don't play the game or are hiding their accounts on vacation mode. I also see a pattern that they are exactly those mods who violate the forum rules without ever facing any consequences..
While the forum management often seems to ignore rule violations by moderators, I would love to just pay them a visit in game when they blatantly screw up so there is at least some form of justice.
Shouldn't this be a community forum FOR the community and managed BY the community rather than a place where some power mad kids abuse their powers knowing full well that we can't take away their toy?
If you don't know what I am talking about, it's things like
The imitation of other users by creating a user account that is intended to deceive the community into believing you are another member of the community is not permitted.
DaDigi did it and is still a mod and of course DaDigi's account is on vacation mode.
Oh and then we have Bazsy, a forum admin who quit the game and openly discriminates people for their religion and by only granting members of the "big" religions to post about their holidays:
Bazsy wrote:Seriously... If all 10000+ religions could post about their big days we would end up as a religious forum...
Lets just stick to the biggest 2-3 religions. And I hope we wont have an argument over it....
When I reported that, the report was closed, nothing was done and I never got a reply.
I'm not even going to start talking about spam started by mods, the list would be too long.
So if we have to follow the mod's rules on the forums while they can ignore them at will, shouldn't we at least have the option to teach them our own rules in game?
And can someone who doesn't even play the game be classed as a member of the community? Or can they know what's best for the community?
IMHO the players are the community and mods should be playing the game too. What do you think?
great post !
Re: Should ppl who don't play the game be leading the community?
Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:50 pm
by geisha
@Bazsy and Apophis: Calling some religions "valid" and others "invalid" is arrogant, ignorant and discriminating. We aren't here to judge other people's beliefs. And just because someone is a forum admin, doesn't mean he has the right to do so.
BTW "Virgin gives birth to God's son, who gets crucified 30odd years later and comes back to life a few days after his death" is just about as absurd as "The universe was created by a Flying Spaghetti Monster".
So how can you speak of validity?
Re: Should ppl who don't play the game be leading the community?
Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:54 pm
by Apadamek
Geisha; you have a point but your attitude certainly isn't helping. To try and help work with the mods as to why they aren't playing ingame or addressing your concerns in a reasonable manner. Just to attack them isn't cool.
Edit: For one your point is to just say you want to crush them ingame, hardly a good platform for getting reform. Also FSM is. a. joke.
Re: Should ppl who don't play the game be leading the community?
Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:57 pm
by Zeratul
*hugs geisha*
geisha... validity has nothing to do with it... the fact is, religious discussion arent really wanted here, simply because they cause too many conflicts...
the basis for the religion you "advertised" didnt matter... bazsy just had to draw a line...
religion, in general, is not that full of things making sense...
*hugs geisha again*
Re: Should ppl who don't play the game be leading the community?
Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:59 pm
by semper
and who are you to ask for Justice?
Lets not get to arrogant here... The forums belong to the game, and the game belongs to Kingdom Games. We play THEIR game and we use THEIR forums. If someone who effectively works for them breaks the rules then it is NOT the community's responsibility to act as punisher, any talk of such is just ultimate arrogance and stupidity.
Now...on to the point of the topic. If anything mods without accounts would be the best mods as they would in no way be able to be intimidated, unless of course they are actually concerned what everyone thinks about them. If they abuse or misuse their power, report it to their boss. If this is not effective go higher. Its made a million times more complicated when people start arguing and bickering over forum issues and then start to try and go on at the 'offenders' in game.
If going higher and higher does not work then well..tuff luck son shine. Life is not fair, it is just fairer than death, leave or keep playing quietly. Each and everyone one of us alone are just another stat. There is at the moment, always going to be someone to replace someone, so no one here should think themselves that almighty that they can whine and squabble until something is changed.
Bottom line, yes, people who dont play should be allowed to be mods, if it means the good ones can do their job without **Filtered** players hanging around their ass ready to go, then all the better.
Re: Should ppl who don't play the game be leading the community?
Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:59 pm
by geisha
APADAMEK! wrote:
Edit: For one your point is to just say you want to crush them ingame, hardly a good platform for getting reform. Also FSM is. a. joke.
If they screw up and aren't punished on the forums, then I think punishing them in game would be an appropriate alternative
Oh and FSM is a lot more than a joke
Re: Should ppl who don't play the game be leading the community?
Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:02 pm
by semper
(oh yeah, as for the religion view...who gives a dam...majority rules. Majority of the community are christians/catholics. Anyone else wants to celebrate a religious holiday...go ahead, no one is stooping you. As it so happens the admin IS a believer in christmas, and not the other things, so likes to celebrate HIS holiday with us....
dont be so negative ALL the time..)
Re: Should ppl who don't play the game be leading the community?
Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:07 pm
by Legendary Apophis
geisha wrote:@Bazsy and Apophis: Calling some religions "valid" and others "invalid" is arrogant, ignorant and discriminating. We aren't here to judge other people's beliefs. And just because someone is a forum admin, doesn't mean he has the right to do so.
BTW "Virgin gives birth to God's son, who gets crucified 30odd years later and comes back to life a few days after his death" is just about as absurd as "The universe was created by a Flying Spaghetti Monster".
So how can you speak of validity?
Your religion isn't doing damages to people, so at least it can't have it blamed on, but do not forget every other religion I didn't list is as this one...most others are sects, that extort people and have some illuminate dude who pretends to know everything and all others follow him, if he asks them to die they'll do it too...unacceptable! My other point being there, maybe, even surely not expected hehe...do these gurus or whatever you can call them DESERVE to have poeple dying for them?
About the last part of your post, many people will disagree, and myself finds the spaghetti monster thing a bit too easy to create a whole universe that light would take hundred of MILLION of years to go thru
EDIT: Jack seems to explain it better for this.
Re: Should ppl who don't play the game be leading the community?
Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:09 pm
by Teal'auc of the Void
Religion subjects were are and always will be touchy subject and topics about them will sooner or later turn into flame. However, I agree in one thing. Everyone is entitled for their own ways and religion and saying some religion is 'valid' while the other one is not is... well, disrespectful.
Leave everyone to their own beliefs. However discussing them on these forums is kind of inappropriate... as a lot of reasonable people know the conflicts will arise. Or spam. Neither of these should or will not be promoted here by mod team.
Teal'auc
Re: Should ppl who don't play the game be leading the community?
Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:18 pm
by geisha
Teal'auc of the Tok'ra wrote:Religion subjects were are and always will be touchy subject and topics about them will sooner or later turn into flame. However, I agree in one thing. Everyone is entitled for their own ways and religion and saying some religion is 'valid' while the other one is not is... well, disrespectful.
Leave everyone to their own beliefs. However discussing them on these forums is kind of inappropriate... as a lot of reasonable people know the conflicts will arise. Or spam. Neither of these should or will not be promoted here by mod team.
Teal'auc
agree for the most part BUT what you don't see is that there actually never was a
discussion about religion and it was never intended either...
anyway, this topic here was discussing whether mods should play the game or not and I think they should for many reasons. I don't think someone who has no clue what is going on in game can be of any help for the community and also they can't be massed which is kinda lame
Re: Should ppl who don't play the game be leading the community?
Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:23 pm
by Zeratul
geisha, that would be true for bugs/suggestions mods... and as far as we know, those modding there do play... or at the very least some there do play...
also, does a misc mod need to know what goes on ingame?
also, sometimes mods not playing are needed...
also, if you have complaints about the mods, the correct way is NOT to mass... it is to either contact mod in question, a superior mod, or the ombudsman... and you should know that...
might this help you remember that?
*hugs geisha*
Re: Should ppl who don't play the game be leading the community?
Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:30 pm
by geisha
Zeratul wrote:
also, if you have complaints about the mods, the correct way is NOT to mass... it is to either contact mod in question, a superior mod, or the ombudsman...
my understanding of the correct way is: talk to a mod / report topics etc. etc. get ignored and then mass
Now what am I gonna do if I can't mass? Just getting ignored is boring. So I rather start a huge riot on the forums and watch everyone defending themselves (which cracks me the oopsIamnotallowedtosaythatword up), sit back and have a beer.