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It is the Soldier, not the minister
Who has given us freedom of religion.

It is the Soldier, not the reporter
Who has given us freedom of the press.

It is the Soldier, not the poet
Who has given us freedom of speech.

It is the Soldier, not the campus organizer
Who has given us freedom to protest.

It is the Soldier, not the lawyer
Who has given us the right to a fair trial.

It is the Soldier, not the politician
Who has given us the right to vote.

It is the Soldier who salutes the flag,
Who serves beneath the flag,
And whose coffin is draped by the flag,
Who allows the protester to burn the flag.

Almost38 wrote:so your saying u base all your information for hating the troops that gave u your freedom the right to able to post on the forusm and te right for u to be able to say what ur saying on some video that porbally have made crap in them?

no mate thats not what i'm saying and i am big enough to say what i mean so dont even dare to play word games with me!

i posted those as a start for your education and not the place i started mine.

just trust that everything i am posting on this subject is FACT that has been well researched. unlike many other people *cough GWB* i don't spread lies.

watch them 2 films and if you think i am full off it then i will leave this forum for good...

if however you find those films to be factual and true then i will expect you to be man enough and admit it...

care to take me up on that offer?

anything can be made up on the internet just google firts black presidne tit website will com up saying that ther ehave been alot of black presidents and george whasington wasnt even the firts president

Almost38 wrote:oh and tihnk about this
It is the Soldier, not the minister
Who has given us freedom of religion.

It is the Soldier, not the reporter
Who has given us freedom of the press.

It is the Soldier, not the poet
Who has given us freedom of speech.

It is the Soldier, not the campus organizer
Who has given us freedom to protest.

It is the Soldier, not the lawyer
Who has given us the right to a fair trial.

It is the Soldier, not the politician
Who has given us the right to vote.

It is the Soldier who salutes the flag,
Who serves beneath the flag,
And whose coffin is draped by the flag,
Who allows the protester to burn the flag.

where the hell are you getting your info from???

in Americas case it is your founding fathers that saw the dangers of a standing army and central bank and gave you your constitutionally backed freedom which every soldier and politician is doing their utmost to destroy!

i am a brit and it seems i know more of YOUR history than you do!

ur not even american why do u car e wat we do our country

Almost38 wrote:ur talking about 1 war wat about ww1 we got hit first ww2 we got hit first war and many other wars where there was NO choice sure maybe iraq was a bad war but 1 war out of how many? everyone makes mistakes and freedom isnt free

With iraq you have a choice, i'm still waiting to see a good valid reason that could agree with the "self defence" clause most american's argue.
I'm not talking about 1 war, what i'm talking about could apply to dozens and hundreds of wars that have taken place. vietnam, mexico, yugoslavia would be a few examples but all in all i'm not talking specifically about the US, i'm talking about every single person to have picked up a weapon and intentionally having killed another, and even in self defence it's not always right to kill the person who assaults you
In every war retarded people who are too stupid to know better either because they were indoctrinated or just are plain sadistic idiots on drugs go pick up weapons and kill other people who are in the same situation for reasons which ultimately boil down to being so petty for the soldiers involved that they make so little difference it's not worth killing others for it.
If politicians want to go to war, let them, but it's disgraceful they let others do the fighting instead of doing it themselves, at least in the middle ages the kings and generals went to battle side by side with their armies i wonder why we don't reintroduce that again.

Almost38 wrote:so your saying u base all your information for hating the troops that gave u your freedom the right to able to post on the forusm and te right for u to be able to say what ur saying on some video that porbally have made crap in them?

what freedom, are you really so weak minded that you believe that you're not getting any terrorist attacks just BECAUSE the US invaded iraq and afghanistan? do you really think it's hard for some fundamental christians or muslims or whatever to just go detonate 10 bombs per day pretty much anywhere they want?
Bottom line is, you're not living in freedom, you're living in fear and bush deserves a hats off for having managed to get his conversion of the US into a fascist state so far and the people living in that country not even disagreeing with it.
Hitler also found himself a scapegoat to get to power (hmm more than one actually)

urogard wrote:

Almost38 wrote:ur talking about 1 war wat about ww1 we got hit first ww2 we got hit first war and many other wars where there was NO choice sure maybe iraq was a bad war but 1 war out of how many? everyone makes mistakes and freedom isnt free

With iraq you have a choice, i'm still waiting to see a good valid reason that could agree with the "self defence" clause most american's argue.
I'm not talking about 1 war, what i'm talking about could apply to dozens and hundreds of wars that have taken place. vietnam, mexico, yugoslavia would be a few examples but all in all i'm not talking specifically about the US, i'm talking about every single person to have picked up a weapon and intentionally having killed another, and even in self defence it's not always right to kill the person who assaults you
In every war retarded people who are too stupid to know better either because they were indoctrinated or just are plain sadistic idiots on drugs go pick up weapons and kill other people who are in the same situation for reasons which ultimately boil down to being so petty for the soldiers involved that they make so little difference it's not worth killing others for it.
If politicians want to go to war, let them, but it's disgraceful they let others do the fighting instead of doing it themselves, at least in the middle ages the kings and generals went to battle side by side with their armies i wonder why we don't reintroduce that again.

Almost38 wrote:so your saying u base all your information for hating the troops that gave u your freedom the right to able to post on the forusm and te right for u to be able to say what ur saying on some video that porbally have made crap in them?

what freedom, are you really so weak minded that you believe that you're not getting any terrorist attacks just BECAUSE the US invaded iraq and afghanistan? do you really think it's hard for some fundamental christians or muslims or whatever to just go detonate 10 bombs per day pretty much anywhere they want?
Bottom line is, you're not living in freedom, you're living in fear and bush deserves a hats off for having managed to get his conversion of the US into a fascist state so far and the people living in that country not even disagreeing with it.
Hitler also found himself a scapegoat to get to power (hmm more than one actually)

Joy, where to begin.

Yugoslavia is always nice. Ethnic cleansing is wrong. So the UN stepped in, and for the better.....Kosovo now has their independence. HA!

I don't agree with the Iraq war. I served in it and I still don't.

Afghanistan was needed, it was a terrorist nest, and it was helping to actively kill americans all over the world.

Vietnam was stupid and **Filtered**.

Korea was stupid and **Filtered**.

WWII - Needed and for the best how it end up.

WWI - America shouldn't have gotten involved, but eh? it happened.

Mexico - people can't even run their own country. Best thing that happened to Texas and California was getting annexed. Obviously Mexico should be annexed as well, maybe their people will have a decent way of life then.

Now. I have never been sadistic with drugs, nor have I had any desire to kill anyone....ever.

As for bush going to war...I'd pay real good money to see that.

The military is about service, not about killing. You only kill when the other person is trying to kill you anyways. Please go spout your ignorance in another thread, this isn't the get pissy about the military thread....

this is the honor the troops thread.

nobodyhere wrote:

Almost38 wrote:oh and tihnk about this
It is the Soldier, not the minister
Who has given us freedom of religion.

It is the Soldier, not the reporter
Who has given us freedom of the press.

It is the Soldier, not the poet
Who has given us freedom of speech.

It is the Soldier, not the campus organizer
Who has given us freedom to protest.

It is the Soldier, not the lawyer
Who has given us the right to a fair trial.

It is the Soldier, not the politician
Who has given us the right to vote.

It is the Soldier who salutes the flag,
Who serves beneath the flag,
And whose coffin is draped by the flag,
Who allows the protester to burn the flag.

where the hell are you getting your info from???

in Americas case it is your founding fathers that saw the dangers of a standing army and central bank and gave you your constitutionally backed freedom which every soldier and politician is doing their utmost to destroy!

i am a brit and it seems i know more of YOUR history than you do!

No, you are just ignorant.


How did the founding fathers establish our rights.....by liberating our country through war against the british. Central back was a problem that andrew jackson hated.....well, others didn't so it happened.

Standing army was established, as well as navy and marines, in 1775. So the decision was made by the founding fathers.


Read a history book and go away. I can stand different opinions, but ignorance in this thread really pisses me off.

Bill

bill, where did all your information on history come from...the classroom?

pianomutt20000 wrote:
WWII - Needed and for the best how it end up.

WWI - America shouldn't have gotten involved, but eh? it happened.

The military is about service, not about killing. You only kill when the other person is trying to kill you anyways. Please go spout your ignorance in another thread, this isn't the get pissy about the military thread....

this is the honor the troops thread.

Weren't WWI/WWII the 2 wars where freedom was fought for the most though?

Also agree with your last 2 points good sir.

Riposte wrote:
Weren't WWI/WWII the 2 wars where freedom was fought for the most though?

no, both wars were fought so the bankers could get richer, neither 1 had anything to do with the free fighting tyranny or oppression.

pianomutt20000 wrote:Joy, where to begin.

Yugoslavia is always nice. Ethnic cleansing is wrong. So the UN stepped in, and for the better.....Kosovo now has their independence. HA!

Ye interestingly enough nato wasn't bombarding the albanian troops, who were commiting genocide on serbs and others, but the serbs themselves.
And the UN was doing jack in protecting those people.

I have no problem with the military IF they'd be doing what they should be, defending their country and helping the civilian population during disasters, not invading others.
Or do you really want to argue that when you were in iraq and someone would have pointed a gun at you and you killed them first you only killed in self defence? My question then would be why you enlisted in the army in the first place. Since such a scenario was a very realistic one, obviously if you'd have a problem with killing others you would have never enlisted.

I'm just doing step by step analysis, feel free to correct me anywhere i'm wrong.

Sidenote: there was also the option to refuse following orders and going to iraq, even if you were already in the army before it started.
Sidenote 2: Iraq had nothing to do with whatever happened in the us, bush himself admitted that on live tv
Sidenote 3: The Taliban were at least keeping order in afghanistan, unlike now where most of the land is used to grow opium for drug production which couldn't be done before since the taliban were actually enforcing their rules.

Riposte wrote:Weren't WWI/WWII the 2 wars where freedom was fought for the most though?
Also agree with your last 2 points good sir.

WWI was nothing about freedom, it was about territorial conquest and lack of hindsight for all parties involved.

In WWII fighting freedom was nothing but a side effect, again everyone only followed their own plans, but even then there was little freedom in europe after the war ended, western europe was dominated by US who gave them money either at interest or in return for "obedience" and eastern europe was dominated by USSR:
USA: wanted to remove britain as a colonial power and enforce neo-colonialism, amongst other objectives
Germany: wanted to aquire lebensraum by invading the USSR
USSR: was defending itself but later as they managed with their superior army to defend and counterattack to create a buffer zone to make future invasions much harder for the attackers
etc.

Probably the only countries fighting for freedom were the smaller countries which got invaded amongst others vietnam, czechoslovakia and yugoslavia (latter which actually managed to drive out the germans BEFORE the allies entered their soil)

The french are a special case cos they actually kinda wanted a rematch with the germans

+ what nobodyhere said

after reading everyones post here one thing has escaped everyone...

the problem with the world is NOT the soldiers or the presidents and lying, scheming politicians...it is the central bank system that is at the heart of everything including the needless death of countless millions of people, both military and civilian.

we have what is known as a debt money system (which is backed by nothing)...that means, every penny, cent, £ and $ is borrowed by government at interest and the debt is secured by direct taxation of peoples labor, and in the case of the US this is both ILLEGAL and unconstitutional!.

now the trouble with this is, to create more money to circulate into the economy the government must borrow every year ever increasing amounts, (for obvious reasons) this is dangerous to say the least...why do you think so much money is being thrown at the corporations?
its an effort to keep the whole rotten structure from collapsing and it will surely collapse, the dollars value is so low there are already many stores in new york which will not accept dollars anymore and are in fact trading in euros!!!
just before the 2nd gulf war Saddam Husein threatened the US by trading oil for euros instead of dollars. as we can now see, that wqas a big mistake!

also its worth noting that the taliban government was asked by the US to allow the construction of a pipeline from 1 end (i forget the details) of the country to the other and they could either "accept a carpet of gold or a carpet of bombs", meaning the pipeline gets built and they get rich or the pipeline gets built after they have been bombed into the stone age...the taliban asked for a bigger slice of the pie...they got their carpet of bombs instead!

no government can secure so much money just by direct taxation, it has to find new markets to exploit or lands to plunder.
this is why i say that the armed forces are complicit (and that standing army's are a danger) in executing the plans of the elite because only they are sick enough to put a $ value on human life but you don't see them dragging family's out of their homes at gun point and flying F-16's and dropping bombs on Baghdad!

so, there is no soldier who is either a hero or an innocent, only when the armed forces refuse to carry out illegal orders will you have soldiers who can be classed as heroes and i will gladly salute each and every soldier, but not till every soldier accepts the fact that they are complicit in genocide, mass murder and crimes against humanity.

think we're going off topic (except with that last paragraph of yours, although i fully agree with everything you say there nobody, you can't argue with facts )
all i meant to say was that even though people should remember their friends and loved ones no matter how they died it is a disgrace for every soldier to kill another person whether it is because he was given the order to by his superiors or even by simply not preventing his friend from carrying out those same orders

nobodyhere wrote:bill, where did all your information on history come from...the classroom?

You know, I have found that in this forum there are some ignorant people.

sigh.


No, I happen to research and read about history on my own. But that's my own business.


No soldier should carry out illegal orders, but I think you are both confused by what is illegal. Going to iraq, isn't illegal by our laws as long as the president says so and congress agree's....sadly they did.


Afghanistan - Yeah they kept order by torture, rape, and execution. Good on em? They also funded ol osama, who regardless of what can be proven has been hitting america for over 20 years.

Yugoslavia - I'm sorry that the USA stood up for the poor ethnic albanians that were being slaughtered by the serbs. I have no pity for those serbs, as they had no pity for the albanians when it was happening. If people stop hating to the point of murder, then this problem will just go away.


I have never carried out an illegal order, and with your opinions, you should both go into the military and see for yourself. Being a soldier/sailor/Marine/airman isn't about murder. That is ignorance in the extreme.


Honestly, your opinion makes me sick. I can't imagine where in the world you reside where some military hasn't died to protect or defend your freedom.


Bill