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[KMA]Avenger wrote:sorry jim i wont read or even entertain any comment about population reduction and Nazi style eugenics...


i'm leaving this thread, have fun.

I don't see how talking about missing acres is nazi talking...there was two paragraphes in that post, disagreed with first one, but agreed with second one.

Let it be known,

Neither I am in favour to see humanity grow as a rabbit colony,
Nor in favour to see it end like a wolf colony (only strongest survives).

Later, people would say I was right, but of course, before it happens, noone will agree.

That you believe me or not, it doesn't matter.
The truth is what it is.

It's simple.. finally something he said was disproven. Time to run for the hills!

Over population is only an issue cos some regions/countries/continets can barely support their populis as it is. In some cases cannot.

Rule of the thumb is that more advanced a society is the fewer offspring people produce... Look at the developed western world and subsaharan africa for confirmation or to china for both, theri 1 child policy is growing obsolete as they get increasingly "better off".

The solution is nothing but for us to stop exploiting those regions but helping them to elevate themselves from the mud. Thereby negating the need for the middleage practice of having 10 children in a fammily so there are enough hands to work and you and your community are provided over in your old(er) age.

Legendary Apophis wrote:

[KMA]Avenger wrote:sorry jim i wont read or even entertain any comment about population reduction and Nazi style eugenics...


i'm leaving this thread, have fun.

I don't see how talking about missing acres is nazi talking...there was two paragraphes in that post, disagreed with first one, but agreed with second one.

Let it be known,

Neither I am in favour to see humanity grow as a rabbit colony,
Nor in favour to see it end like a wolf colony (only strongest survives).

Later, people would say I was right, but of course, before it happens, noone will agree.

That you believe me or not, it doesn't matter.
The truth is what it is.

its come to my attention that my last post could easily be misread or misunderstood so i want it known that i was NOT calling anyone a Nazi, i was simply making a statement.

no insult or slander was intended, the way i see it what difference does it make if you die by knife or bullit?
your still dead, by the same token, it doesn't matter what you call it, euthanasia and eugenics are just fancy words for murder.

so i hope no one has taken offense as none was intended...

good night all

Brdavs wrote:Over population is only an issue cos some regions/countries/continets can barely support their populis as it is. In some cases cannot.

Rule of the thumb is that more advanced a society is the fewer offspring people produce... Look at the developed western world and subsaharan africa for confirmation or to china for both, theri 1 child policy is growing obsolete as they get increasingly "better off".

The solution is nothing but for us to stop exploiting those regions but helping them to elevate themselves from the mud. Thereby negating the need for the middleage practice of having 10 children in a fammily so there are enough hands to work and you and your community are provided over in your old(er) age.

Well as I said, nowadays the get as much people to work as you can is obsolete, the vast working on cultures/factories are over, so the oversized families are going to cause more problems in developing areas.
My idea would enable to solve their problems, but as I said, not give only, give and receive back. They do efforts, and we do too (because we aren't liars).

Legendary Apophis wrote:It's NOT about big brother stories here people on that topic...it's about HOW to DECREASE GROWTH of population with a political correct way. To AVOID EXCESS of population.
Growth HAS to STOP.

Actually it is about big brother, the point being that the world is not over populated at all. Its a misconception that has been fed into the public Psyche. The same goes for global warming which has now been changed to climate change as we're now on a cooling cycle, something which is impossible to prevent.

Again the over population myth is a problem, reaction, solution scenario being hoisted onto the common man, the elite believe that we commoners are destroying their planet, so they create the false problem so that we in turn ask for the solution.

I once took flying lessons, and when I was up at 2000 feet over manchester which I thought was over crowded at the time, but I realised that it wasn't. England is truly green and vast from that perspective, the reason I thought it was over crowded was because people have been forced to live in over populated urban centers, we should learn to spread out more, I think you would find that there is plenty of room out there for everyone to live happily.

As for China & Indian being blamed for the massive increase in population this is also a myth in my book, both countries are vast in size, the reason they struggle to have better living conditions is due to the worlds resources being concentrated it the top 1% of the worlds population.

The west has been selfish with its wealth and technologies, and sadly our power is now under threat from nations such as China & Indian, and those at the top are not happy about this, so they say there is a problem and create artificial energy and food shortages in the hope that we ask them to solve the problem, they then say that population reduction is need and we say 'oh joy, we're saved'.

The Georgia guide stones tell us that a 500 million population should be reached and maintained, I wonder who put those there? I'll bet my bottom dollar, sorry Amero, that is wasn't your average Joe.

The fact is all these problems have a root source and once we see this real progress can be made to help the situation.

Sorry I'm rambling on here, but the truth remains that all this s*** is coming from the same place, the Elite that secretly rule over us.

Imagine that its the start of the 22nd century, if we aren't rubble by then, the technologies available to us in agriculture might allow for a 20-30 billion population, and I would hope by that time we would have established colonies among the planets and moons of our solar system, perhaps even beyond.

Call it a flight of fancy, but given the rapid acceleration in our technological development over the past 100 years these goals aren't beyond our reach, we just don't want it bad enough yet.

Thanks for listening, I look forward to some constructive criticism of my thoughts and beliefs.

Namaste.

I look forward to the day when the state will care once again for their people (and personally i'd accept more caring than less)

PS: I mean the good caring like during socialism, not the one today that the others will try to get rid of you if you try to go against their rule of things.

Citing a random comment on the web:
Wenn das kommt, dann kommt die ARBEIT.

hello prosperity and goodbye poverty

Ohhh SO much things to say there!

Drachenstein wrote:

Legendary Apophis wrote:It's NOT about big brother stories here people on that topic...it's about HOW to DECREASE GROWTH of population with a political correct way. To AVOID EXCESS of population.
Growth HAS to STOP.

Actually it is about big brother, the point being that the world is not over populated at all. Its a misconception that has been fed into the public Psyche. The same goes for global warming which has now been changed to climate change as we're now on a cooling cycle, something which is impossible to prevent.
Read my arguments and come once again

Again the over population myth is a problem, reaction, solution scenario being hoisted onto the common man, the elite believe that we commoners are destroying their planet, so they create the false problem so that we in turn ask for the solution.
Again, read my arguments, and thank you very much, I'm well informed on things

I once took flying lessons, and when I was up at 2000 feet over manchester which I thought was over crowded at the time, but I realised that it wasn't. England is truly green and vast from that perspective, the reason I thought it was over crowded was because people have been forced to live in over populated urban centers, we should learn to spread out more, I think you would find that there is plenty of room out there for everyone to live happily.
You didn't fly above Lagos, Sao Paulo, Manille obviously, those are overpopulated cities.

As for China & Indian being blamed for the massive increase in population this is also a myth in my book, both countries are vast in size, the reason they struggle to have better living conditions is due to the worlds resources being concentrated it the top 1% of the worlds population.
No comment needed...

The west has been selfish with its wealth and technologies, and sadly our power is now under threat from nations such as China & Indian, and those at the top are not happy about this, so they say there is a problem and create artificial energy and food shortages in the hope that we ask them to solve the problem, they then say that population reduction is need and we say 'oh joy, we're saved'.
Conspiracy theory

The Georgia guide stones tell us that a 500 million population should be reached and maintained, I wonder who put those there? I'll bet my bottom dollar, sorry Amero, that is wasn't your average Joe.
500 million? That would be perfect! But would take long to reach, considering no "cleansing" would be done...

The fact is all these problems have a root source and once we see this real progress can be made to help the situation.
And I found a solution to that problem, which is a problem, another blind guy who doesn't see truth, if not a problem for you, that is

Sorry I'm rambling on here, but the truth remains that all this s*** is coming from the same place, the Elite that secretly rule over us.
Oh noes!

Imagine that its the start of the 22nd century, if we aren't rubble by then, the technologies available to us in agriculture might allow for a 20-30 billion population, and I would hope by that time we would have established colonies among the planets and moons of our solar system, perhaps even beyond.
Did you see the Fifth Element movie? If not, watch it ASAP!

Call it a flight of fancy, but given the rapid acceleration in our technological development over the past 100 years these goals aren't beyond our reach, we just don't want it bad enough yet.

Thanks for listening, I look forward to some constructive criticism of my thoughts and beliefs.

Namaste.

i couldnt even be bothered to read this all. instantly the conspiracy club have visited and turned this away from its purpose. can you not stick to your fantasy areas please. . . and stop preaching in the wrong place.

this is about population. not 'puppet masters' or any other unproven conspiracy related topic.


population is a massive problem for the future. something must be done and not in developed countries. their growth is more balanced. the developing world needs to take action to restrict growth. if the stick is needed aswel as the carrot thats acceptable. population increases caused by the developing countries are unsustainable.

better some problems now than mass famine in the future.

LiQuiD wrote:i couldnt even be bothered to read this all. instantly the conspiracy club have visited and turned this away from its purpose. can you not stick to your fantasy areas please. . . and stop preaching in the wrong place.

this is about population. not 'puppet masters' or any other unproven conspiracy related topic.


population is a massive problem for the future. something must be done and not in developed countries. their growth is more balanced. the developing world needs to take action to restrict growth. if the stick is needed aswel as the carrot thats acceptable. population increases caused by the developing countries are unsustainable.

better some problems now than mass famine in the future.

Quick question, have you actually seen all this over population for your self? or are you just repeating something you read somewhere?

I don't belong to any conspiracy club, but I can read between the lines.

What the hell gives us the right to tell other nations how many children they can produce?

China tried the one child system and that's really working out well for them isn't it? Never mind the abandoned girls that families don't want.

If you think for one second that the world is in this state because we caused it, your severely misguided.

Ignore the men behind the curtain!!!

Open your eyes for Christ sake, and use some critical thinking.

This issue is so far off into the future, we have other more pressing issues to deal with in the present.

Legendary Apophis wrote:Ohhh SO much things to say there!

Drachenstein wrote:

Legendary Apophis wrote:It's NOT about big brother stories here people on that topic...it's about HOW to DECREASE GROWTH of population with a political correct way. To AVOID EXCESS of population.
Growth HAS to STOP.

Actually it is about big brother, the point being that the world is not over populated at all. Its a misconception that has been fed into the public Psyche. The same goes for global warming which has now been changed to climate change as we're now on a cooling cycle, something which is impossible to prevent.
Read my arguments and come once again
Can you be more specific please.

Again the over population myth is a problem, reaction, solution scenario being hoisted onto the common man, the elite believe that we commoners are destroying their planet, so they create the false problem so that we in turn ask for the solution.
Again, read my arguments, and thank you very much, I'm well informed on things
Never said you were uninformed, just a bit misguided, your arguments to me hold no water, feel free to explain why I'm wrong.

I once took flying lessons, and when I was up at 2000 feet over manchester which I thought was over crowded at the time, but I realized that it wasn't. England is truly green and vast from that perspective, the reason I thought it was over crowded was because people have been forced to live in over populated urban centers, we should learn to spread out more, I think you would find that there is plenty of room out there for everyone to live happily.
You didn't fly above Lagos, Sao Paulo, Manille obviously, those are overpopulated cities.
Your correct I didn't fly over those cities. How exactly do theses cities affect you? Are they taking food off your table? Do they encroach on your personal space? Have the people there said they feel over crowded? Your statement seems vague to the extreme.

As for China & Indian being blamed for the massive increase in population this is also a myth in my book, both countries are vast in size, the reason they struggle to have better living conditions is due to the worlds resources being concentrated it the top 1% of the worlds population.
No comment needed...
Are you agreeing with me here???

The west has been selfish with its wealth and technologies, and sadly our power is now under threat from nations such as China & Indian, and those at the top are not happy about this, so they say there is a problem and create artificial energy and food shortages in the hope that we ask them to solve the problem, they then say that population reduction is need and we say 'oh joy, we're saved'.
Conspiracy theory
How is this Conspiracy theory? You do realize that food prices are directly linked to the cost of crude oil don't you? And that most people are starving because they simple can't afford the staple foods any more due to inflation, money is artificial isn't it? And I wonder who controls that? IMF & Big oil ring any bells?

The Georgia guide stones tell us that a 500 million population should be reached and maintained, I wonder who put those there? I'll bet my bottom dollar, sorry Amero, that is wasn't your average Joe.
500 million? That would be perfect! But would take long to reach, considering no "cleansing" would be done...
How would that be perfect? Are you going to volunteer to be one of the 5.5 billion people who have to go by what ever means necessary? Because that's what those tablets imply.

The fact is all these problems have a root source and once we see this real progress can be made to help the situation.
And I found a solution to that problem, which is a problem, another blind guy who doesn't see truth, if not a problem for you, that is
Say what??? I'm sorry but this sentence isn't making any sense to me.

Sorry I'm rambling on here, but the truth remains that all this s*** is coming from the same place, the Elite that secretly rule over us.
Oh noes!
Oh yeah!

Imagine that its the start of the 22nd century, if we aren't rubble by then, the technologies available to us in agriculture might allow for a 20-30 billion population, and I would hope by that time we would have established colonies among the planets and moons of our solar system, perhaps even beyond.
Did you see the Fifth Element movie? If not, watch it ASAP!
I did, are you seriously using a Bruce Willis film to justify your argument? Now who's clutching at straws, if you didn't know, that film is make believe.

Call it a flight of fancy, but given the rapid acceleration in our technological development over the past 100 years these goals aren't beyond our reach, we just don't want it bad enough yet.

Thanks for listening, I look forward to some constructive criticism of my thoughts and beliefs.

You have the floor Legendary Apophis or can I call you Jim?

'Its a debate Jim, but not as we know it'.....

Interesting, I just did some searching and found that the Earths surface is approximately 510,000,000 square kilometers, 71% is water and 29% land mass, so that's 150,000,000 square Kilometers of land which converted to Acres is (get ready) 96,000,000,000 Acres, which at our current population of 6,000,000,000 gives everyone a 16 Acre ranch, WOOT happy days.

If every 16 Acres held an average family of 4 the that still enough room for 24,000,000,000 people, and not in tower blocks either. With a tower block on each 16 Acre plot holding say 200 people (this would be the approximate size of my extended family) the numbers get very silly, a staggering 1,200,000,000,000. At this point I agree that would be a lot of mouths to feed.

Check & mate my friend.

[KMA]Avenger wrote:i agree on every single one of your points...to bad others cant see the same even when it lands on them.

i've seen those films and many more, their all excellently made and all have been highly researched and in some cases took years to make, "the corporation" is case in point which took 7 years to make and won a tonne of awards and rightly so.

Cool, always nice to meet a kindred spirit.

Drachenstein wrote:Quick question, have you actually seen all this over population for your self? or are you just repeating something you read somewhere?

Quick question, have you actually seen, say, Norway for yourself? Or are you just one of the gullible people who actually believe there's such a thing as Norway. I mean, come on.. who would believe that! We don't believe anything we have not seen for ourselves.
There is no Norway. Norwegians are false propagandists, and if I somehow get to "Norway", it will be a virtual reality simulation.
There is no outside world.
There is no world.
Everything is make believe.. yes.
Drach, my boy, I see your point. See above.

Drachenstein wrote:I don't belong to any conspiracy club, but I can read between the lines.

Okay.. so you're not a member of the conspiracy club (shame, you'd qualify), but you are superior in your information researching skills? Impressive.

Drachenstein wrote:What the hell gives us the right to tell other nations how many children they can produce?

Who is us? If us is 'humanity', then I say 'humanity' trumps 'nations', bigtime.
If 'us' is 'US', then yes, you should probably shut up now.
If 'us' is something else, then well.. what are you even trying to say?

Drachenstein wrote:China tried the one child system and that's really working out well for them isn't it? Never mind the abandoned girls that families don't want.

Oh, have you actually seen these abandoned girls for yourself? or are you just repeating something you read somewhere?

Drachenstein wrote:If you think for one second that the world is in this state because we caused it, your severely misguided.

Yay! Let's blame.. hmm.. eehm.. God. Yes. God made the world wrong. Damn deities, always screw you over.
Drachie, dear, don't say "if you think for one second that the world is in this state because we caused it, you're severely misguided". It makes you look like an idiot, since you suggest there is something beyond individuals self-made destiny.
Next thing I know you'll be telling us that everything is preordained, so naturally, we humans have no control over the world. *sigh* Case and point. You don't want the responsibility, fine. Jump off a bridge or something, there's no way you can duck out from under this obligation.

Drachenstein wrote:Ignore the men behind the curtain!!!

Yet you continuously refer to a higher power, since according to you, humans have no control over what they do with their lives and the world around them. Hmm..

Drachenstein wrote:Open your eyes for Christ sake, and use some critical thinking.

Like you? Now that would be interesting.

Drachenstein wrote:This issue is so far off into the future, we have other more pressing issues to deal with in the present.

Do you know the story of Prometheus and Epimetheus? You probably do. Do I need to say more?

Drachenstein wrote:

Legendary Apophis wrote:Ohhh SO much things to say there!

Drachenstein wrote:

Legendary Apophis wrote:It's NOT about big brother stories here people on that topic...it's about HOW to DECREASE GROWTH of population with a political correct way. To AVOID EXCESS of population.
Growth HAS to STOP.

Actually it is about big brother, the point being that the world is not over populated at all. Its a misconception that has been fed into the public Psyche. The same goes for global warming which has now been changed to climate change as we're now on a cooling cycle, something which is impossible to prevent.
Read my arguments and come once again
Can you be more specific please.
*sigh*

Again the over population myth is a problem, reaction, solution scenario being hoisted onto the common man, the elite believe that we commoners are destroying their planet, so they create the false problem so that we in turn ask for the solution.
Again, read my arguments, and thank you very much, I'm well informed on things
Never said you were uninformed, just a bit misguided, your arguments to me hold no water, feel free to explain why I'm wrong.
*sigh* You're not listening, so why bother?

I once took flying lessons, and when I was up at 2000 feet over manchester which I thought was over crowded at the time, but I realised that it wasn't. England is truly green and vast from that perspective, the reason I thought it was over crowded was because people have been forced to live in over populated urban centers, we should learn to spread out more, I think you would find that there is plenty of room out there for everyone to live happily.
You didn't fly above Lagos, Sao Paulo, Manille obviously, those are overpopulated cities.
Your correct I didn't fly over those cities. How exactly do theses cities affect you? Are they taking food off your table? Do they encroach on your personal space? Have the people there said they feel over crowded? Your statement seems vague to the extreme.
*sigh* So now you're suddenly an individualist.. leaves in the wind..

As for China & Indian being blamed for the massive increase in population this is also a myth in my book, both countries are vast in size, the reason they struggle to have better living conditions is due to the worlds resources being concentrated it the top 1% of the worlds population.
No comment needed...
Are you agreeing with me here???
*sigh* No. Your statement is ludicrous, and since you have shown not to be able to listen, there is no need for comments. It would be a good idea to stop posting until you listen, brother.

The west has been selfish with its wealth and technologies, and sadly our power is now under threat from nations such as China & Indian, and those at the top are not happy about this, so they say there is a problem and create artificial energy and food shortages in the hope that we ask them to solve the problem, they then say that population reduction is need and we say 'oh joy, we're saved'.
Conspiracy theory
How is this Conspiracy theory? You do realize that food prices are directly linked to the cost of crude oil don't you? And that most people are starving because they simple can't afford the staple foods any more due to inflation, money is artificial isn't it? And I wonder who controls that? IMF ring any bells?
*sigh* Kid, get a grip. Money is 'artificial', energy and food shortages are not. Ever tried to transport 1 cubic kilometre of butter? Us here in Europe could easily spare that. But have you ever considered means of transportation for a cubic kilometre? Of butter?! That's just one example of where logistics beat production. Yes, we produce enough for the whole world. No, we cannot transport it. Yet.

The Georgia guide stones tell us that a 500 million population should be reached and maintained, I wonder who put those there? I'll bet my bottom dollar, sorry Amero, that is wasn't your average Joe.
500 million? That would be perfect! But would take long to reach, considering no "cleansing" would be done...
How would that be perfect? Are you going to volunteer to be one of the 5.5 billion people who have to go by what ever means necessary? because that's what those tablets say.
*sigh* You're not listening. He says it would take long, since you wouldn't kill people off to get to that 500m amount. For once, try and think about affairs that might take longer than your short life, brother.

The fact is all these problems have a root source and once we see this real progress can be made to help the situation.
And I found a solution to that problem, which is a problem, another blind guy who doesn't see truth, if not a problem for you, that is
Say what??? I'm sorry but this sentence isn't making any sense to me.
*sigh* Jim has found a possible solution to that issue. He has made that clear in his first post, before you lot came and hijacked the thread with your childish and naive lies about there being no problem.
Rewriting his sentence: "And I have found a solution to that problem. It IS a problem. You're just another blind guy if for you, it's not a problem."

Sorry I'm rambling on here, but the truth remains that all this s*** is coming from the same place, the Elite that secretly rule over us.
Oh noes!
Oh yeah!
How quaint.

Imagine that its the start of the 22nd century, if we aren't rubble by then, the technologies available to us in agriculture might allow for a 20-30 billion population, and I would hope by that time we would have established colonies among the planets and moons of our solar system, perhaps even beyond.
Did you see the Fifth Element movie? If not, watch it ASAP!
I did, are you seriously using a Bruce Willis film to justify you argument? Now who's clutching at straws, if you didn't know, that film is make believe.
*sigh* Never heard of concepts? Sure, the film is make believe. The concepts that the film addresses are not.
Take that fool Michael Moore for example. His 'movies' stink, his directing skills are non-existent, but he has in the past addressed a few good points (and those who know me know how much it pains me to say this). Fiction, yes. But not fiction for the sake of fiction. Kind of like mythology.. the morals of a story?

Call it a flight of fancy, but given the rapid acceleration in our technological development over the past 100 years these goals aren't beyond our reach, we just don't want it bad enough yet.

Thanks for listening, I look forward to some constructive criticism of my thoughts and beliefs.

You have the floor Legendary Apophis or can I call you Jim?

'Its a debate Jim, but not as we know it'.....

Replied in blue. >_>


And for the record; the IDIOT who comes up with the next "We can all have 16 acre ranches!" will get shot. I'll hire a hitman, so beware.
As if anyone wants 16 acres of Sahara. 16 acres of glacier ice. 16 acres of bare rock.
148,940,000 km² land yes..

It is estimated that only one eighth of the surface of the Earth is suitable for humans to live on—three-quarters is covered by oceans, and half of the land area is either desert (14%), high mountains (27%), or other less suitable terrain.

Checkmate? Dude.. we haven't even started.

Ermm, who was talking to you?????????

Get a sense of humor, most of my response was in jest.

Drachenstein wrote:

LiQuiD wrote:i couldnt even be bothered to read this all. instantly the conspiracy club have visited and turned this away from its purpose. can you not stick to your fantasy areas please. . . and stop preaching in the wrong place.

this is about population. not 'puppet masters' or any other unproven conspiracy related topic.


population is a massive problem for the future. something must be done and not in developed countries. their growth is more balanced. the developing world needs to take action to restrict growth. if the stick is needed aswel as the carrot thats acceptable. population increases caused by the developing countries are unsustainable.

better some problems now than mass famine in the future.

Quick question, have you actually seen all this over population for your self? or are you just repeating something you read somewhere?

I don't belong to any conspiracy club, but I can read between the lines.

What the hell gives us the right to tell other nations how many children they can produce?

China tried the one child system and that's really working out well for them isn't it? Never mind the abandoned girls that families don't want.

If you think for one second that the world is in this state because we caused it, your severely misguided.

Ignore the men behind the curtain!!!

Open your eyes for Christ sake, and use some critical thinking.

This issue is so far off into the future, we have other more pressing issues to deal with in the present.

Legendary Apophis wrote:Ohhh SO much things to say there!

Drachenstein wrote:

Legendary Apophis wrote:It's NOT about big brother stories here people on that topic...it's about HOW to DECREASE GROWTH of population with a political correct way. To AVOID EXCESS of population.
Growth HAS to STOP.

Actually it is about big brother, the point being that the world is not over populated at all. Its a misconception that has been fed into the public Psyche. The same goes for global warming which has now been changed to climate change as we're now on a cooling cycle, something which is impossible to prevent.
Read my arguments and come once again
Can you be more specific please.

Again the over population myth is a problem, reaction, solution scenario being hoisted onto the common man, the elite believe that we commoners are destroying their planet, so they create the false problem so that we in turn ask for the solution.
Again, read my arguments, and thank you very much, I'm well informed on things
Never said you were uninformed, just a bit misguided, your arguments to me hold no water, feel free to explain why I'm wrong.

I once took flying lessons, and when I was up at 2000 feet over manchester which I thought was over crowded at the time, but I realized that it wasn't. England is truly green and vast from that perspective, the reason I thought it was over crowded was because people have been forced to live in over populated urban centers, we should learn to spread out more, I think you would find that there is plenty of room out there for everyone to live happily.
You didn't fly above Lagos, Sao Paulo, Manille obviously, those are overpopulated cities.
Your correct I didn't fly over those cities. How exactly do theses cities affect you? Are they taking food off your table? Do they encroach on your personal space? Have the people there said they feel over crowded? Your statement seems vague to the extreme.

As for China & Indian being blamed for the massive increase in population this is also a myth in my book, both countries are vast in size, the reason they struggle to have better living conditions is due to the worlds resources being concentrated it the top 1% of the worlds population.
No comment needed...
Are you agreeing with me here???

The west has been selfish with its wealth and technologies, and sadly our power is now under threat from nations such as China & Indian, and those at the top are not happy about this, so they say there is a problem and create artificial energy and food shortages in the hope that we ask them to solve the problem, they then say that population reduction is need and we say 'oh joy, we're saved'.
Conspiracy theory
How is this Conspiracy theory? You do realize that food prices are directly linked to the cost of crude oil don't you? And that most people are starving because they simple can't afford the staple foods any more due to inflation, money is artificial isn't it? And I wonder who controls that? IMF & Big oil ring any bells?

The Georgia guide stones tell us that a 500 million population should be reached and maintained, I wonder who put those there? I'll bet my bottom dollar, sorry Amero, that is wasn't your average Joe.
500 million? That would be perfect! But would take long to reach, considering no "cleansing" would be done...
How would that be perfect? Are you going to volunteer to be one of the 5.5 billion people who have to go by what ever means necessary? Because that's what those tablets imply.

The fact is all these problems have a root source and once we see this real progress can be made to help the situation.
And I found a solution to that problem, which is a problem, another blind guy who doesn't see truth, if not a problem for you, that is
Say what??? I'm sorry but this sentence isn't making any sense to me.

Sorry I'm rambling on here, but the truth remains that all this s*** is coming from the same place, the Elite that secretly rule over us.
Oh noes!
Oh yeah!

Imagine that its the start of the 22nd century, if we aren't rubble by then, the technologies available to us in agriculture might allow for a 20-30 billion population, and I would hope by that time we would have established colonies among the planets and moons of our solar system, perhaps even beyond.
Did you see the Fifth Element movie? If not, watch it ASAP!
I did, are you seriously using a Bruce Willis film to justify your argument? Now who's clutching at straws, if you didn't know, that film is make believe.

Call it a flight of fancy, but given the rapid acceleration in our technological development over the past 100 years these goals aren't beyond our reach, we just don't want it bad enough yet.

Thanks for listening, I look forward to some constructive criticism of my thoughts and beliefs.

You have the floor Legendary Apophis or can I call you Jim?

'Its a debate Jim, but not as we know it'.....

Arg. 1: not going to repeat myself again, sorry. Find them yourself. I'm not a parrot
Arg. 2: I'm not misinformed, I USED to be on that side of omg world is doing conspiracy. I'm done with it. Boring. Corruption existed exists and always will. Doesn't mean that people didn't walk on moon, or that bush is a lizard.
Arg. 3: Trying to twist my words arent you? Do you think it pleases those people to have that much children and live where they do? Feeding them while they earn almsot nothing? Because population is so much exceeding that they can't find anymore a job? Yes it's cool. Suuure!
Arg. 4: No I don't, it's just that you are wrong, just think about India's population in 1900 or around that, no where near how it's now, by a guess, would say 300mil Indians at that time, perhaps 400. See what it will do. 1bil will be 2bil soon enough.
And THEN, I'll say, "I told you so".
Arg. 5: Read what I said...damn. I'm NOT agreeing with the wolf style (only strong survives) HENCE I said will take long...long means probably...over 150 years, if no 200.
Arg. 6: Try to post as I do at almost 3am...you'll see, it's hard to make sense. What I meant is (obvious to see)
And I found a solution to that problem (the topic), which is a problem (it is a problem indeed, unlike some of you say), another blind guy who doesn't see truth (I see, if you say it's not one), if not a problem for you, that is (the topic not being a problem).
Arg. 7: I liked X-Files you know...but you know, not everyone is rotten apples, just a small part of them, instead of in X Files.
Arg. 8: You know that's true. World will be a giant Tokyo or Shangai, but many of those places will be more lke Lagos or Sao Paulo, which means, full of poverty. And plz NO use of "they dont share help blah blah"...if you help them that way they'll grow as quick but less will die so it will skyrocket even more and cities with 100mil inhabitants will popup...live in that, and tell me that's good. Helping without getting back is wrong. Give back I said, HAS NOTHING wrong.

TRY to tell me what's wrong in that "deal".
You'll fail, for sure.
You didn't listen I said 2.2 avg, not 1/family.
So I'm right, you're wrong.

Thanks Auriel for the replies
Didn't see your replies before I makethat post, making my reply pretty much useless since you said what I wanted to say, and better

Drachenstein wrote:Ermm, who was talking to you?????????

Get a sense of humor, most of my response was in jest.

For your info, she's welcomed in any kind of debate I could do or participate in!