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liquid, i hereby challenge you to prove what i say is wrong.

keep in mind that what i say comes from declassified documents which have been admitted to by our own governments.


good luck in trying to disprove something which is fact.

Your wasting your time friend, by the picture in his sig he has made up his mind. He probably believes the magic bullet theory.

Liquid, please go listen to JFK's speech, and then consider why he was assassinated. This is not an order, just a friendly request.

Our day will come, sooner or later.

in every conflict there are 2 sides, in the case of the NWO, its the elite against the people.

the declaration of war by the elite on the people has already been made, its easy to convince those that are willing to listen (that doesn't mean they are gullible and instantly believe, simply means they are open to the possibility) its the ones who resist that we have to educate because they are on our side...unless liquid is part of the elite and is just here to spread their neocon crap...

are you part of the elite liquid?

[KMA]Avenger wrote:Are you part of the elite liquid?

Nar, he's a republican.

Be a Bushwacker.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=O8rT1HtQeQs

thats a good one but i think this one is funnier:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0J5W_OFCdsk

What a shrub.

Hmmmm, Just noticed this, some one at SGW central must believe some of this stuff, as I've just see the NWO skin for the board.

This fellow speaks a lot of sense:-

http://uk.youtube.com/user/TheAntiTerrorist

Look past the theatricality, his message went a long way in focusing my mind.

that clip was great kma. gotta love bush clips

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you said something about challenging me to discredit your ideas? or something of the sort. . .

about what?

your 9/11 lie? i have researched this point. i find i am more sure now that it was nonsense. theres a more convincing argument to every point you make. whats more logical to believe in; the obvious or the obscure?

you write a lot and you preach a lot. but when it comes down to it all you have are an armada of youtube clips. i have a clip of myself being blown up on youtube. any fool can put something there is my point

you talk **Filtered**. you back this up with further **Filtered**. and i conclude that your theories are also **Filtered**.

what have i got wrong? come on let me know. . . and give clear evidence. i want something that when a person sees it the 1st conclusion they come to is what you claim. do you even have anything that concrete?

and 'declassified' documents? why why why would these evil government nazi-satans release anything that could work against them!! its idiocy to beleive they wouldnt shred/destroy anything that would kill them. you claim they killed thousands of their citizens. why not kill you and your other conspiracy retards to shut you up. to stop you spouting your fictional stories around the world.

any retort from you is a waste of the internet.

LiQuiD wrote::lol: that clip was great kma. gotta love bush clips

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you said something about challenging me to discredit your ideas? or something of the sort. . .

about what?

your 9/11 lie? i have researched this point. i find i am more sure now that it was nonsense. theres a more convincing argument to every point you make. whats more logical to believe in; the obvious or the obscure?

you write a lot and you preach a lot. but when it comes down to it all you have are an armada of youtube clips. i have a clip of myself being blown up on youtube. any fool can put something there is my point

you talk **Filtered**. you back this up with further **Filtered**. and i conclude that your theories are also **Filtered**.

what have i got wrong? come on let me know. . . and give clear evidence. i want something that when a person sees it the 1st conclusion they come to is what you claim. do you even have anything that concrete?

and 'declassified' documents? why why why would these evil government nazi-satans release anything that could work against them!! its idiocy to beleive they wouldnt shred/destroy anything that would kill them. you claim they killed thousands of their citizens. why not kill you and your other conspiracy retards to shut you up. to stop you spouting your fictional stories around the world.

any retort from you is a waste of the internet.

you still havent proved me wrong, all you do is reply to whatever i say, well any dumb mug (not aimed at you, simply a statement of fact) can do that!

you say you dont trust youtube clips, i'm not asking you to trust youtube clips, i am asking you to trust declassified documents...ever heard of the freedom of information act?

much of the information comes from the horses mouth, in the instance of 9/11 larry silverstien (the new lease holder of the WTC complex) puts down 150 mil dollars deposit for the 99 year lease and 6 weeks later the WTC is hit and he nets 7 billion return, that doesnt strike you the least bit suspicious or warrants further investigation? what about all the professional demolition experts who said that it was 100% demolition? what about larry silverstiens own testimony that he ordered the demolition of WTC 7?

what about the sworn testimony of building employees who swear they witnessed basement explosions?

what about the fireman who also witnessed the explosions coming from below?

use your common sense, bringing down a building is a science as we all know and takes weeks and sometimes months to plan and execute, so how then can the fire dept plan, setup the charges and safely bring down a massive building in just 5 hours??

there is footage which i have seen of the impact zone on 1 of the towers (can never remember if its WTC1 or 2) and you can clearly see a person hanging on to the steel right in the middle of the impact area, if the fire was that hot how can this be?

there is sworn testimony from the people on board the USS liberty which was attacked by israeli jets, bombers and PT boats because israel wanted america to get involved in the 6 day war between israel and egypt...thats fact and on record so how can you dismiss it so quickly, we are not talking about home made youtube clips here, this is serious and indisputable fact when it comes from a source which cannot be dismissed...

so my challenge still stands, prove me wrong with evidence and not just words please.

at the end of the day, just because YOU don't believe it doesn't make it any less real.

these are not fantasies and you have yet to prove to the contrary

Some people wouldn't believe it if it fell out of the sky, landed on there face and started to wiggle.

I'm not sure if this is years of programing kicking in or the individuals inabillity to process the information.

It's like a rabbit in the headlights, too scared to move in order to save it's own life.

Here's is a few examples of things that are happening right now or have happened in the recent past (last 60-70 years):-

1. HR 1955, nick named the thought crime bill in America.

2. FISA bill, allowing domestic spying on a unprecedented level, which makes the soviet unions efforts look pathetic in comparison.

3. The Bush families ties to the Bin Ladens, and earlier to Hitler.

4. JFK's Speech informing the public of a grave conspiracy against the America people, soon after which he was assassinated.

5. Bushes speeches which are a word for word match for Hitlers speeches.

6. The failure of the most advanced air force in the world to stop 4 jets on 911.

7. The recent surge in police brutality in the USA, Taser Deaths increasing even though it's classed as a non lethal weapon by officals. To quote a victim "Please Don't taze me bro".

8. Free speech zones in the USA, outside of which you will be arrest for speaking your mind.

9. The lay out of Washington D.C, go see it for yourself on google earth.

10. The sudden interest in fluoridating the water supply, ask yourself who did this first and what are the effects.

11. Bush dismantling the US constitution bit by bit.

12. Bill O'riley, nuff said.

13. The Gulf of Tonkin incident, used to provoke another war of aggression.

14. The NAU & the Amero.

Disprove these one by one if you can liquid.

As a friend of mine once said:- "I am a conspirasist, I do not deal in theory"

Another valid quote is this:- "Fear, doubt and disbelief, you have to let it all go liquid, free your mind".

P.s. My tin foil hat is bigger than the one in your sig.

Avenger, I just like to say. Where is your proof? Because all you are doing at the moment is shooting your mouth off that 9/11 was just some big conspiracy.

I will make a statement on this once, and only once. IMO, these conspiracy threads are the biggest waste of forum bandwidth. Why? Because it turns into a Proef and Evidence (PE) contest. Each side brings up its points, one from YouTube, the other from the "corrupt media". Each side views the other side's sources in disdain. And both sides are bullheaded, whether they pretend to be or not. Nothing is going to change if you add another fifty pages of YouTube clips and FoxNews articles.

Give it up and stop wasting your time on these forums with this junk. It's the internet and it's not worth the effort. Instead, try seeing if you can spin your chair fast enough that it levitates. Same amount of effort, same results.

Phoenix Award of Time Management to all who seriously participated in this thread.

Phoenix of Terra wrote:I will make a statement on this once, and only once. IMO, these conspiracy threads are the biggest waste of forum bandwidth. Why? Because it turns into a Proef and Evidence (PE) contest. Each side brings up its points, one from YouTube, the other from the "corrupt media". Each side views the other side's sources in disdain. And both sides are bullheaded, whether they pretend to be or not. Nothing is going to change if you add another fifty pages of YouTube clips and FoxNews articles.

Give it up and stop wasting your time on these forums with this junk. It's the internet and it's not worth the effort. Instead, try seeing if you can spin your chair fast enough that it levitates. Same amount of effort, same results.

Phoenix Award of Time Management to all who seriously participated in this thread.

Everything in my above post is for real. they do not need to be proved as they are all stone cold FACTS. The term conspiracy theory doesn't even enter the equation.

Now either your just ignoring them or you don't understand the implications or you happy living in a world where things like this happen.

Drachenstein wrote:

Phoenix of Terra wrote:I will make a statement on this once, and only once. IMO, these conspiracy threads are the biggest waste of forum bandwidth. Why? Because it turns into a Proef and Evidence (PE) contest. Each side brings up its points, one from YouTube, the other from the "corrupt media". Each side views the other side's sources in disdain. And both sides are bullheaded, whether they pretend to be or not. Nothing is going to change if you add another fifty pages of YouTube clips and FoxNews articles.

Give it up and stop wasting your time on these forums with this junk. It's the internet and it's not worth the effort. Instead, try seeing if you can spin your chair fast enough that it levitates. Same amount of effort, same results.

Phoenix Award of Time Management to all who seriously participated in this thread.

Everything in my above post is for real. they do not need to be proved as they are all stone cold FACTS. The term conspiracy theory doesn't even enter the equation.

Now either your just ignoring them or you don't understand the implications or you happy living in a world where things like this happen.

That award counts for me now also. I'll respond to your points once. That is it.

Drachenstein wrote:1. HR 1955, nick named the thought crime bill in America.

Um, so what? They're just saying that people can't advocate shooting up their local school and such, as that would be homegrown terrorism. Unless you're advocating that...

2. FISA bill, allowing domestic spying on a unprecedented level, which makes the soviet unions efforts look pathetic in comparison.

Domestic spying? FISA expands to "Foreign Intelligence Surviellence Act", and a new amendment specifically bans unwarranted eavesdropping on US persons, or illegal wiretapping.

As for the comparison to the Soviet Union, epic fail. Unless you have to carry papers with you and report your every move to the government when you travel. I know it's surprising, but you don't (besides plane tickets if your going by airplane and a quick passport check if heading in/out of the country. I know, I've tried).

3. The Bush families ties to the Bin Ladens, and earlier to Hitler.

So? The Bin Ladens are a respected construction family. I suppose that if I know an ex-Iranian politician's family member, I suddenly am a supporter of the Shah's regime? I don't think so. I suppose JFK's family ties to bootleggers should also be reviewed.

4. JFK's Speech informing the public of a grave conspiracy against the America people, soon after which he was assassinated.

Speak of the devil!

Strange, no one shot Eisenhower to keep him quiet.

5. Bushes speeches which are a word for word match for Hitlers speeches.

PE? Do you have texts of both speeches, or is this just what YouTube told you?

6. The failure of the most advanced air force in the world to stop 4 jets on 911.

Last time I checked, thousands of flights go in and out of the American airports every day. Do you really expect the AF to stop and check all of them? Plus, last time I checked, the US military doesn't target civilians, especially not over cities.

7. The recent surge in police brutality in the USA, Taser Deaths increasing even though it's classed as a non lethal weapon by officals. To quote a victim "Please Don't taze me bro".

I'm sure they were saying the same thing during the LA riots. And during the Sean Bell case. Stats please.

8. Free speech zones in the USA, outside of which you will be arrest for speaking your mind.

There is no free speech on certain issues. Such as promoting terrorism and such. As for your allegations, PE, not just accusations.

9. The lay out of Washington D.C, go see it for yourself on google earth.

DC was designed in the beginning of the 19th century. So... yeah.

10. The sudden interest in fluoridating the water supply, ask yourself who did this first and what are the effects.

So? Stronger teeth. And after so many people have been drinking it, how come there hasn't been an epidemic of some sort?

11. Bush dismantling the US constitution bit by bit.

Phoenix Award for Trust. That's just stupid.

12. Bill O'riley, nuff said.

Phoenix Award for Excellence, for raising the bar for stupidity.

13. The Gulf of Tonkin incident, used to provoke another war of aggression.

We already had advisors in there, and JFK was aggressive enough that I doubt he didn't have a hand in it.

14. The NAU & the Amero.

Theories by a Canadian economist, with no official actions taken on either. Canada and Mexico will not abide by it, because US would dominate and marginalize their soviergnty.

nice post phoenix.

Drachenstein didnt you loose all credability for insisting there was an armada heading for iran? then you admitted it was a hoax that you had so strongly believed from. it was just some stupid lie made up by another person that you believed in.

i looked the iran armada up and i found many sources backing the theory up. none were credible though. you search for the incredible sources lol you fail at truth. i am selective about believeing whats told to me. im not blind, you are. you fail.

kma didnt you confirm the armada was real aswel. guess the conspiracy club has lost what little credability they had. btw ill post about your points. all of which i have more sensible explanations for.

take off your tinfoil hats and give up. you fail