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urogard wrote:dictatorship, but only the good type though

NOT the rubbish type as presented by today's USA, germany under hitler, etc.

LoL

[KMA]Avenger wrote:

LegendaryApophis wrote:

[KMA]Avenger wrote:jim, are you interested in country's which have the word "republic" in there name or are you interested in a country which actually puts it into practice and thus makes it a reality?

Most pretend to be one, few are really acting as a republic, with such ratio, I don't see the point to prefer republic over democracy, since republic is anything with a president as we see in the world.

So, if you are for republic, you are a republican, isn't it? (sorry couldn't resist )

if i was an american or if britain was a republic i would be either a constitution party or republican party voter, which ever one supports and votes to support and uphold the constitution best.

Republican?
I thought you were against republicans who are doing conspiracies to use their weapons on wars, started for false reasons, according to you?

LegendaryApophis wrote:

urogard wrote:dictatorship, but only the good type though

NOT the rubbish type as presented by today's USA, germany under hitler, etc.

LoL

Agreed, lol. I really can't believe that was just posted.

Phoenix of Terra wrote:

LegendaryApophis wrote:

urogard wrote:dictatorship, but only the good type though

NOT the rubbish type as presented by today's USA, germany under hitler, etc.

LoL

Agreed, lol. I really can't believe that was just posted.

Soon enough they are going to say rather have a dictatorship than democracy, as the dictatorship is more fair.
Like rather have dictatorship than a McCain in power...seriously...I'm NOT pro republican and disagree with some of McCain's ideas...but please...telling me dictatorship is better. That makes me laugh. Yes it's better...to get rid of your freedom!
And yes I know it's not necessarly like hitler's regime what dictatorship is.

Phoenix of Terra wrote:

LegendaryApophis wrote:

urogard wrote:dictatorship, but only the good type though

NOT the rubbish type as presented by today's USA, germany under hitler, etc.

LoL

Agreed, lol. I really can't believe that was just posted.

because you don't understand what i mean, but don't worry if all goes well people will understand soon enough.

urogard wrote:

Phoenix of Terra wrote:

LegendaryApophis wrote:

urogard wrote:dictatorship, but only the good type though

NOT the rubbish type as presented by today's USA, germany under hitler, etc.

LoL

Agreed, lol. I really can't believe that was just posted.

because you don't understand what i mean, but don't worry if all goes well people will understand soon enough.

See, that's what I don't understand about you, and Avenger. Both of you scream your heads off about how people's rights are infringed, how we need to step up and do something about government manipulation, and then you both have advocated taking the power of government away from people and placing it in the hands of a select few, either a dictatorship or a republic (where the leaders may be elected, but they then rule in the people's stead). I can understand not wanting direct democracy, but to call for people's aid in standing up against the "shadow government" and then spitting on them by proclaiming their opinion in government is unwanted is hypocritical. Phoenix Award for Consistency to both of you.

Not to mention the NWO threat and all of that, big bad evil globalized democracies acting as...dictatorships.
And what is the best then?...a good...dictatorship.
Erm...or a republic, but as we know, a republic...that's almost everything actually presently!

Conclusion to that: no regim is perfect, but sadly, none is better than democracy, thinking a bit of things.

Phoenix of Terra wrote:See, that's what I don't understand about you, and Avenger. Both of you scream your heads off about how people's rights are infringed, how we need to step up and do something about government manipulation, and then you both have advocated taking the power of government away from people and placing it in the hands of a select few.

see thats what you dont seem to understand what i am saying. i have NEVER advocated taking power away from government and giving it to a select few weather they are elite or otherwise...

i do however advocate the form of government that was put in place by your founding fathers which is explained in layman's terms in full in this film:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 8237547562

i don't agree with Urogards answer that a "good" form of dictatorship would be good for the simple reason that it would be to easy for any tinpot dictator to take over and then you have an evil total dictatorship.

i do NOT advocate it, watch that film and i think anyone with an ounce of sense would agree that the founding fathers got it right and there is no need to look for another system.

Slavery in the United States began soon after English colonists first settled Virginia and lasted until the passage of the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution.

From 1654 until 1865, slavery for life was legal within the boundaries of the present United States

That's, indeed, better system than democracy...which, let's remind it, forbids slavery, unlike the all perfect regim until 1865.

So...

Phoenix of Terra wrote:and then spitting on them by proclaiming their opinion in government is unwanted

when did i ever say that?

please post a quote.

urogard wrote:

Phoenix of Terra wrote:and then spitting on them by proclaiming their opinion in government is unwanted

when did i ever say that?

please post a quote.

For removing them from the government and the political process:
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urogard wrote:dictatorship, but only the good type though

NOT the rubbish type as presented by today's USA, germany under hitler, etc.

Wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictatorship
"A dictatorship is an autocratic form of government."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autocracy
An autocracy is a form of government in which the political power is held by a single self-appointed ruler. The term autocrat is derived from the Greek word autocratic (lit. "self-ruler", or to: "rule by one's self"). Compare with oligarchy (literally means rule by the few) and democracy (rule by the majority).

Dictionary:

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1: the office of dictator
2: autocratic rule, control, or leadership
3 a: a form of government in which absolute power is concentrated in a dictator or a small clique b: a government organization or group in which absolute power is so concentrated c: a despotic state.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/autocracy
1 : the authority or rule of an autocrat
2 : government in which one person possesses unlimited power
3 : a community or state governed by autocracy

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As for insulting them, there have been allegations by the side against the "shadow government" that the people are, as one such comment claimed, sheep, with implications that they can't think for themselves, as only your side "sees the truth". I would consider that insulting, the base for the slight exaggeration of "spitting on them".

TBH, I really can't tell the difference between you and the people you seek to overthrow, besides the fact that they're rich already.

mate, please understand that your founding fathers rebelled against king george 3rd because he was taxing the colonies at a rate of 14%, today in the US the people are being taxed at a rate of 50%...what the hell is wrong with that picture?

can you imagine what the founding fathers would have done if taxation was 50%?

i think they wouldn't have stopped with a war of independence, i think they would have jumped in boats and invaded england and slit king georges throat!

but we morons are like frogs, we was placed in a pot of water and slowly boiled and don't even know we are being cooked, the heat rises slowly (just like taxation) and we swallow it, and all we do is moan to 1 another but, WE STILL PAY.

Phoenix of Terra wrote:For removing them from the government and the political process:

There is a difference between what you think and what I mean.
Why would I (or any NORMAL) person need power other than for the only obvious and rational use possible.

You quoted explanations from dictionaries which merely stated where the power lies focused. It did not say a word about how it is being used.
By doing that you implicitly, and wrongfully, created false assumptions of actions being done by the governing body. Those assumptions where the reason for your question and they were the reason for my wish for you to quote me as to where I had explicitly stated those. (Yes I stated a very simple thing in a very extensive manner)

Why do people get involved in politics in the first place? To make themselves heard and to make the government take care of their needs.
If there is a functioning system which helps people when they have a problem and cares for their well-being then they will neither wish to change it nor wish to waste any more time with it than they need to let the necesary body know of their issue, but instead spend time with their hobbies/family/friends/whatnot.

One person once said:The workers battalions must march, united towards socialism, class struggle.
Man, I dont want to march, don't want to fight or a revolution.
I want to live and work as peacefully as possible. To be neither hungry nor freezing
If i have that then I don't give a **Filtered** about anything else.

So, i'll repeat my question, where did i ever say their opinion is unwanted.

Phoenix of Terra wrote:As for insulting them, there have been allegations by the side against the "shadow government" that the people are, as one such comment claimed, sheep, with implications that they can't think for themselves, as only your side "sees the truth". I would consider that insulting, the base for the slight exaggeration of "spitting on them".

As for insulting them, again i recall of no such place.
The closest I know I ever can come, beacuse i hold that belief, is that people in spite of evidence rattling at their "peaceful world" will try to hold on to it for the plain reason that it makes their lives simpler.
I only insult people when i'm emotional, in this case i am rationally realistic.

Besides it is a well known fact that when people are free to do what they want, they (not all, but a high percentage) always imitate each other and don't think for themselves. Again this is for the simple reason that every person is lazy and often enough mimiking other people\s behavior which has proven to be socially successful is simpler than to come up with one's own ways.

Phoenix of Terra wrote:TBH, I really can't tell the difference between you and the people you seek to overthrow, besides the fact that they're rich already.

They want all power to feed their egos.
I want all power to primarily make sure that they don't own and abuse it and so that I can give it to someone I know will not abuse it and then can finally go on minding my own business and spend my time with something useful.

Kids today in the UK receive a sub standard education, and are encouraged by the government to have children and not work claiming benefits, they get free housing if they have children, most have a drug habit which they feed with their benefits. When I was at school we didn't get taught about money, finances or civil liberties and rights.

This total lack of a solid education has lead to a dumbed down generation that would rather watch X-factor than talk about politics.

Ask this generation this question, Do you know your rights? Aside from, you have the right to remain silent. They look totally puzzled by this question.

Do it, it's quite funny in a very sad way.

And get this, in the UK, if you don't know how to claim your rights, you infact have no rights, and these people can vote???? Again WTH!!!

Drachenstein wrote:Do it, it's quite funny in a very sad way.

Vinnie Gogniti: "That was funny. In a crazy sick not-at-all-funny way."

I'm from one of those democratic republics, and I know what I can do, and what I can't.
We are told since secondary school basics of law and in high school we learn economy and its history.
And I think it's the same in most of 15 older members of the Union, minus perhaps few of them.
From what I seen and heard, UK governement is totally different from any other EU governement. And from what I see, it's better we don't adapt on that.
And remain as we are, democracies firstly, republics (or monarchies) secondly. And all is fine, as it is...hmmm perhaps Berlusconi is screwing things up in Italy, and Belgium has some serious problems with its governement, but rest is fine.