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weilandsmith wrote::lol: History is not made by timid men.

weilandsmith wrote:Oh i understand your post jim. I understand that it is an insult to compare Obama with the memory of Hitler. The overwhelming perception of Hitler is one of evil. I do understand your point. The memory of Hitler that stands out the most is the persecution and extermination of the Jews.

But Semper also has a point. Before Hitler did all these evil things, he made Germany a great nation.

The Spear of Destiny

Hitler coveted possession of the Spear of Destiny, supposedly THE spear with which the Roman soldier pierced the side of Jesus Christ. Anyone trained in the esoteric arts know that certain relics, monuments and physical places inherently possess power and that power can be harnessed and used for whatever means you choose.

The Spear of Destiny is also known as the Spear of Longinus. Supposedly, the leader who "possessed it and understood the powers it served, held the destiny of the world in his hands for good or evil." This spear has been held in the House of Hapsburg, in Vienna, Austria, for centuries, and is on public display in a museum. One of Hitler's first official acts, once he annexed Austria, was to drive to Vienna in a motorcade, go to the museum, and take physical possession of the Spear of Destiny. At that point, Hitler believed he possessed the power to overcome all odds and conquer the world. At that point, World War II became inevitable. A new age and a New World Order steered by the Third Reich was waiting to happen.

Corran Horn wrote:well.. if good dictator is the one that ppl of his country follow and adore, then yes. hitler was definately a good dictator. as for his achievments. he turned germany into pile of rubble (with some help from other annoyed nations like yanks, brits, russians... ) yet ppl still liked him (and some still like him today)... and they are homo SAPIENS...

for non blood thirsty dictators chack:
- chiang kai-shek
- augusto jose ramon pinochet ugarte

LegendaryApophis wrote:Pinochet tortured and killed thousands of opponents..that's well known fact.

The difference between a TRUE great leader (such as JFK), is that this kind of person is loved by many because of what they do, or what they are, while they don't manipulate FULLY the medias, control any part of the society and change anything they can for a brainwashing machine spreading their glory.
A TRUE GREAT LEADER is one who still has an opposition who has a voice, but who's still loved by his/her people nomatter what opposition (not being silenced) can say or prove against that person.

Corran Horn wrote:

LegendaryApophis wrote:Pinochet tortured and killed thousands of opponents..that's well known fact.

The difference between a TRUE great leader (such as JFK), is that this kind of person is loved by many because of what they do, or what they are, while they don't manipulate FULLY the medias, control any part of the society and change anything they can for a brainwashing machine spreading their glory.
A TRUE GREAT LEADER is one who still has an opposition who has a voice, but who's still loved by his/her people nomatter what opposition (not being silenced) can say or prove against that person.

well.. i'm not saying hitler was good LEADER, but a good DICTATOR.

as for pinochet:
1 those "thousands" are very speculative.
2 he was fighting kinda civil war agains the commies. now imagine ya have lenin/stalin wannabees and other similar bandits ready for absolutely everything to take power in france... what would you do?

and back to hitler:
that "economic succes" before the war... germany had to pay HUGE war reparations. hitler just decided to keep all that money in the country. so the short-term prosperity was not unexpected. and then he ruined everything.

now imagine ya have lenin/stalin/hitler/mussolini wannabees and other similar bandits ready for absolutely everything to take power in france... what would you do?

LegendaryApophis wrote:1 then we can wonder where all these people went. Doubtfull thry joined the "secret" island where Elvis retired.
2 He overtook presidents' power and destitued elected president Salvador Allende.

Lois Lane wrote:You lot don't make the distinction between Hitler as a person and Hitler as a leader.

Lois Lane wrote:Waa waa waa..


You lot don't make the distinction between Hitler as a person and Hitler as a leader.
No wonder y'all are so upset. Just listen to you.. waawaa-ing about two completely different things, being surprised no one understands you.. Pfft.

Meh.. it's not something I need worry about. As you were, gentlemen, blow yourselves to hell with your non-arguments for all I care. Such an emotion-loaded thread as this is something I rather avoid, so I'm off! Enjoy your semi-intellectual debate.

LegendaryApophis wrote:The difference between a TRUE great leader (such as JFK), is that this kind of person is loved by many because of what they do, or what they are, while they don't manipulate FULLY the medias, control any part of the society and change anything they can for a brainwashing machine spreading their glory.
A TRUE GREAT LEADER is one who still has an opposition who has a voice, but who's still loved by his/her people nomatter what opposition (not being silenced) can say or prove against that person.