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I notice a lot of people voting yes, but nobody actually coming up with any good reasons why this is needed or would improve the game........

Kind of makes the decision really, doesn't it?

I disagree with the general concencus, some people dont have all day to play the game a couple extra slots wouldnt hurt anybody but could help a lot of people.

Making the game easier is a good thing, its when you make it too easy such as unlimited trade brokers *which would allow for unlimited banking* when you get problems,

Increasing brokers to 5 open would be a fine update, its not 100% needed such as fixing ascension, but hey its a justified reason, sometimes 3 just isnt enough.
It never has been, it has always just been "wait" as an answer, 5 is a better number without causing problems.

Its not broken this is true (this is why its a suggestion and nto a bug fix), but it could be better.

It's already TOO easy.

Wolf359 wrote:It's already TOO easy.

Unlike that other game, ey, Gear?



I'm with you. Don't dumb the game down further.. it's easy enough as it is. When monopoly is too hard to play, do you change the rules? I thought not.

3 is plenty imo.

If anything I'd suggest have 2 incoming 1 outgoing... if trade slots are a problem for ya which gives u more control over it.

5-10 is WAY too much.

its gameplay though. if u own a building u don't just... decide to build another truck port.

(ok, if u had alot of money u could, such as buying another warehouse or so)

maybe suggest a 2-3T purchase option per extra broker slot?

I wouldnt waste naq on them lol, 2 is fine for me

not needed... all it will do is cause more stat building and less skill/strat.

teesdale wrote:not needed... all it will do is cause less skill/strat.

Thats possible?

I'd only agree to this if it was small increases for doing something long term like 15 or 20 ascentions, you waste that many resources for pretty much no gain, you might deserve something like this.

There's that word again.......

........ 'deserve'.

Some might say they 'deserve' to be punished, not rewarded if the gain for 15-20 ascensions is hardly (or not) worth the resources used in doing so.

Wolf359 wrote:There's that word again.......

........ 'deserve'.

Some might say they 'deserve' to be punished, not rewarded if the gain for 15-20 ascensions is hardly (or not) worth the resources used in doing so.

if you expended that many resources, then you are already punished, so why not rewarded?

Sooner or later ascentions are going to have to have a benifit as they most definitely do not have one now.

Lore wrote:

Wolf359 wrote:There's that word again.......

........ 'deserve'.

Some might say they 'deserve' to be punished, not rewarded if the gain for 15-20 ascensions is hardly (or not) worth the resources used in doing so.

if you expended that many resources, then you are already punished, so why not rewarded?

Sooner or later ascentions are going to have to have a benifit as they most definitely do not have one now.

The point was they deserve to be punished for being daft enough to keep ascending after that when there is no benefit. You can't keep giving the most powerful accounts even more power for reaching the next level, as they will never be caught. Natural power curves have a plateau - and this is representative in the game now. Giving the higher ascensions even more benefits will reverse that toward an exponentially increasing curve.

Wolf359 wrote:
The point was they deserve to be punished for being daft enough to keep ascending after that when there is no benefit. You can't keep giving the most powerful accounts even more power for reaching the next level, as they will never be caught. Natural power curves have a plateau - and this is representative in the game now. Giving the higher ascensions even more benefits will reverse that toward an exponentially increasing curve.

Now in that I fully 100% disagree Wolf. Its against everything ascention ever was or will be. Ascention was from creation a way to "boost" an accounts base stats. While "resetting" or "crippling" their main account. That is the second worst problem in SGW next to unlimited AT. The fact resources are not being used and/or leaving the game like they should have. Ascentions were suppose to cripple main accounts, not be transfered and kept. Accounts leaving send their resources back into the game instead of disappearing with them. If ascention were what they were designed to be, then the bonuses are well earned. sadly the implementation was so poor and NO steps were taken to correct problems early on so basicly all is lost.

As for the " Natural power curve and platea" I do agree, but think there should be some small consolation prize for it. If jason didnt want you to ascend, then why did he raise the ascention level?

Lore wrote:

Wolf359 wrote:
The point was they deserve to be punished for being daft enough to keep ascending after that when there is no benefit. You can't keep giving the most powerful accounts even more power for reaching the next level, as they will never be caught. Natural power curves have a plateau - and this is representative in the game now. Giving the higher ascensions even more benefits will reverse that toward an exponentially increasing curve.

Now in that I fully 100% disagree Wolf. Its against everything ascention ever was or will be. Ascention was from creation a way to "boost" an accounts base stats. While "resetting" or "crippling" their main account. That is the second worst problem in SGW next to unlimited AT. The fact resources are not being used and/or leaving the game like they should have. Ascentions were suppose to cripple main accounts, not be transfered and kept. Accounts leaving send their resources back into the game instead of disappearing with them. If ascention were what they were designed to be, then the bonuses are well earned. sadly the implementation was so poor and NO steps were taken to correct problems early on so basicly all is lost.

As for the " Natural power curve and platea" I do agree, but think there should be some small consolation prize for it. If jason didnt want you to ascend, then why did he raise the ascention level?

Not entirely sure which part you're disagreeing with then! The point I'm making is that benefits for more and more ascensions should decrease, not increase, the more ascensions you do - thereby fitting in with the natural plateau achieved on the curve. Thus, it gives weaker players at least a chance to catch up. To me, as it works now is as near as ideal as you're going to get - but giving additional benefits for higher ascensions is the wrong way to go. Ideally it should be more benefits for the first ascension and then decreasing benefits for every successive ascension.

Additionally, Ascension has NEVER worked as intended. I recall Jason saying that it would be massively difficult to achieve subsequent ascensions at that he NEVER envisaged anyone doing more than 5 or 6, with most only doing a couple. And the point you bring up about resources is partly to blame for that.

As the two of us have said on many occasions - a lot of the troubles with the game today stem from some not properly implemented updates - or at least not properly thought out. The only way that these could be remedied today would means big changes in how the game is played - ultimately making it more difficult to play. To me, you and numerous others, that would be a good thing - but as you're aware, there are far too many people now who 'like it easy' and would therefore moan and whine about making the changes that the game actually needs to go on sustaining itself - therefore it is never likely to be done.

Jander wrote:

Ifrit wrote:Why change what isnt broken??

its not broken, the reason i would like more slots is as i said in the first post is "i dont like to wait 2 days to buy 1k ATs".

If you have to wait two days to buy 1k ATs then thats your fault The brokers are set at three, they should stay that way. Use what you have avaliable. You don't need something to make the game easyer. That just defeats the purpose of playing the game.

three slots is ample and makes trading an art... having more slots will make it to easy .. but maybe the trader can cancel there own trades after say 2 hours to prevent having brokers tied up... I like the idea of tieing ascensions in with extra stuff, would encourage more ppl to ascend past LG1 if they got extra bonuses other than 1% on stats ...