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I'm going to sound stupid now but i cant be bothered to do a google search, what are HRW people?

duderanch wrote:I'm going to sound stupid now but i cant be bothered to do a google search, what are HRW people?

Human Rights Watch.
Invent something that everyone should be allowed to do, and then start complaining that not everyone is allowed to do it.
In other words, creating a problem by creating 'universal' rights, regardless of culture, tradition, or anything. It's white-supremacist theory, more so as eugenics (that's just a science, "human rights" are a human construct and a vehicle for effective Western propaganda).

No, i just think people are people. Gay, straight, bi. What does it matter?

Universe wrote:

duderanch wrote:I'm going to sound stupid now but i cant be bothered to do a google search, what are HRW people?

Human Rights Watch.
Invent something that everyone should be allowed to do, and then start complaining that not everyone is allowed to do it.
In other words, creating a problem by creating 'universal' rights, regardless of culture, tradition, or anything. It's white-supremacist theory, more so as eugenics (that's just a science, "human rights" are a human construct and a vehicle for effective Western propaganda).

Which counters another white-supremacist theory, the one that white people are superior, and that slavery/segregation on differently skinned ones, is the logic of things, as they are inferiors and should serve white ones. (worse than SG1 Goaulds' slavery, as they dont give a damn about skin, but it's about having symbiote or not)
It's perhaps forcing a system to others', but well it's the way white people have to try to make themselves get forgiven for unacceptable atrocities of past.
Trying to convince a [true] french or a [true] american that human rights are bad is like trying to convince a christian to deny Bible.

Without human rights, despotism and/or jungle law prevail. (notice I said despotism, not monarchy)
If needed, I will develop the economical benefits the human rights generate.

duderanch wrote:No, i just think people are people. Gay, straight, bi. What does it matter?

It matters. The basic flight-fight instincts are damaged, leading to 2 otherwise inviable humans. It is their luck that this society keeps them alive.. nature would have killed the majority off by now. Would never have had a chance to become an entire subculture.
(That subculture is what I 'rage' against.. the individual people can be whatever they want really. Just don't form groups glorifying the unnatural state of being.) Same goes for religious fanaticists.

Universe wrote:

duderanch wrote:No, i just think people are people. Gay, straight, bi. What does it matter?

It matters. The basic flight-fight instincts are damaged, leading to 2 otherwise inviable humans. It is their luck that this society keeps them alive.. nature would have killed the majority off by now. Would never have had a chance to become an entire subculture.
(That subculture is what I 'rage' against.. the individual people can be whatever they want really. Just don't form groups glorifying the unnatural state of being.) Same goes for religious fanaticists.

There we agree..

I don't really have any contact with they 'gay community' so i cant really comment.

Brdavs wrote:

[KMA]Avenger wrote:gays offend and disgust me BIG TIME!

nothing to do with religion or living in the past, its just wrong, simple as that!!!

Care to elaborate that brilliant argument heh? As it stands it indeed has everything to do with you personal views and beliefs (influenced by the western/christhian upbringing) and 19th. century like intollerance.

I`m sure a lot of things dont sit well with a lot of people personally. Should it all be legislated and forbiden on spot?
Cos if thats the case, americans, start looking for new passports lol.

i have 2 very good reasons why, both personal and to strong even for this board...

suffice to say, I HATE GAYS WITH A PASSION!!!


sorry for the shouting but that's how strongly i feel about them, and with that said...i will depart from this discussion so as not to upset peeps but if people would like to know my reasons, you can contact me on msn.

Universe wrote:

Brdavs wrote:

Universe wrote:There's no point to either allowing or disallowing it.

It's like asking whether deaf people can marry. I mean.. both are handicapped, but not incapacitated. Deaf people can hear through implants or communicate through sign language. Homosexuals.. yeah, no implants or sign language is going to help cure that.. but it's basically the same thing.
Chemical imbalance at birth, genetic defect, illnesses, illnesses.

And of course Brdavs so-called "modern secular society" which seems to award importance to only the most extravagant and weird stuff. That stimulates healthy youngsters to seek out and explore the perverted side of the human psyche. And then make an entire lifestyle out of it.. pah, it's insanity.


So essentially, though there is no point to allowing or disallowing it, if forced to make a choice, I would (and will) be quite strongly against this kind of social perversion becoming an accepted standard.
What's next, allowing lepers to touch everyone at the train stations? Pfft, self-destructive society. It's crazy.

You being serious here LOL? Do you make a habbit of labeling traits you frown uppon as degraded illness so you can justify sweeping it under the rug lol? Going ubermench on us much herr rosenberg heh?

Jawohl, mein Führer.
*salutes*
Eugenics, one's got to love it. I'm not going to defend a working system, really. It's obvious that it works, and that it's true..

Brdavs wrote:And there very much is a point in allowing it, or better said ammending the diction of certain regulation so that they are provided the same opportunities under law as everybody else has.

And I suppose you're going to tell me that is where the whole "equality"-"rights"-crap is going on about?

Brdavs wrote:"Stimulating healthy youngsters to seek out and explore the perverted side of the human psyche"? Excuese me? I thought you classified it as a chemical imbalance at birth? Where is this fear of "coodies rubbing off on me/my vhild" coming from all of the sudden heh?

One is more prone to .. -what is the word?- .. degenerating influences, as the other. Chemical imbalance makes one seek out this perversion 'naturally' (whilst actually being a psychological affliction) whereas regular contact with the affected creates an atmosphere of: "Become like us! Rebel against nature!" Given the tendency to rebel in youngsters, ánd their mental vulnerabilities, it is irresponsible to allow your child to be in contact with them. It is also irresponsible to keep your child unaware, but such information should be transferred responsibly and with the clear impression on the young mind that the behaviour is that of a psychologically afflicted person.

Brdavs wrote:But yea, seriously, whats next... unzipping collars... nudist beaches... a society in wich one is judged as an induvidual regardless of weather or not he takes it up the shaft in the privacy of his own home... God forbid. We must preserve the sanctity of our marriage (thats failing in roughly 50% of the cases) and the harmonic fabric of our (blood crazed and insensitive to suffering and discrimination) society. God forbid heh. Clearly affording same sex couples some of the rights normal ones enjoy would shove us over the moral abbys (into the fires of hell).

What was that? You think my point of view is based on religion?! You're so amusing..

I reeealy hope you`re just trolling here. For your own sake, I really really do lol. Cos if you`re not... well now. Just not funny.

I have friends on both sides of the fence. But..

It's BS that two people can live together for 30 years (more than many heterosexual couples these days), and yet in the event of a medical decision or death, decisons/houses/money etc go to a distant 'family' member, rather than the person they love and chose to spend their life with.

I don't see homosexualaity as a disease. Nor that they can't chose to live their lives in the manner they wish (within reason of course ).

Just like you wouldn't limit someone just because they're left or right handed.

The "God" argument is a bit of a silly one. There may indeed be parts of the bible which can be read as inherently homophobic, but the same time there are numerous passages which advocate tolerance, understanding and acceptance of diversity. There are just as many passages in the bible which can be used to justify gay marriage as can be used to denounce it. As is the case with everything in the bible; it's open to user interpretation.

Mordack wrote:The "God" argument is a bit of a silly one. There may indeed be parts of the bible which can be read as inherently homophobic, but the same time there are numerous passages which advocate tolerance, understanding and acceptance of diversity. There are just as many passages in the bible which can be used to justify gay marriage as can be used to denounce it. As is the case with everything in the bible; it's open to user interpretation.

Provide the evidence of stating that homosexual marriages are ethically "right".



First of all, let me state that being a homosexual is evolutionary wrong.... Why? Because we are not A-sexual beings. And simply we were made to be attracted to the other sex. For one main reason, unity. That is the evolutionary side of it.


On the ethics side of it, most religions denounce gay marriages. Why, simply because of the evolutionary train and also homosexual acts are a desecration to the body.


What does this have to do with disallowing gay marriage? ~ Well, mainly giving them a legal right to be married is directly or indirectly stating being homosexual is alright by the views of society. And, who wants our kids growing up in a world the influences of homosexual ideals is allowed. Its like allowing teachers to imposing their worldly views unto young impressionable minds. Its just saying, oh being a nazi is fully acceptable and we promote that way of life...... And Thats Wrong.


Not to say there isn't anything wrong with homosexuals, I know quite a few and get along with them, but ultimately homosexual acts serve no real purpose.



In context with that will thing.... you can make your own will...

To be honest the human race has grown beyond its need for everyone to pro-create to pro-long the species. Don't you think?

Also, how is being a nazi and being homosexual similair in any way?

Procreation argument is null and void.
There's too many humans already, all humans being left alive no matter their illnesses etc.
Pretty pointless, if you ask me. Only weakens the gene pool.