1-21-09 Bush and the end of an Era, um Error

[Cole]

Shame to see a good man go.
But what can one do, leading a nation of generic idiots with few exceptions to that rule. Any nation who first clamours for a war to be started but expects no casualties on their side are idiots. Plain and simple. To fulfill the ludicrous expectations of a nation that grossly overestimates themselves and has no sense of self-reflection whatsoever is an impossible task. "W." is a good and intelligent man, working hard to do what is right. I am glad for him that he gets his rest.


I'm Dutch, btw.

As much as I don't consider him being "good", I've to agree that people did support this war and voted for him another time in 2004 knowing well what he would do...and now bash Bush all they can.
Hypocrisy much? (not concerning those who didn't and still don't support bush, or those who still follow him)

That's typical way to go. Bush was on the top, so many followed him, and when it started to get crap, some of those who followed him, started to throw stones at him and his decisions.

It's not like America is a dictatorship...so the excuse of "none of us were able to do anything about it" will not work.
As I said, people who kept their position (pro or anti Bush's decisions from start to end aren't concerned by this)

[1horseman]

You gotta admit there has been progress in the Middle East, they used to cut peoples heads off and now they just throw shoes.

[Nikola Tesla]

It's not like America is a dictatorship...

hmmm...... you sure? ever read patriotic act's. YOU can be held indefinatly without trial if someone suspects you in terrorism. sounds like dictatrship and tyrany to me. or at least not democracy and freedom.


on the side note : [spoiler]Top 10 Dumb Things Bush Said in 2004

#10: "I want you to know. Karyn is with us. A West Texas girl, just like me." -Nashville, Tenn., May 27, 2004

#9: "Then you wake up at the high school level and find out that the illiteracy level of our children are appalling." -Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004

#8: "Free societies are hopeful societies. And free societies will be allies against these hateful few who have no conscience, who kill at the whim of a hat." -Washington, D.C., Sept. 17, 2004


#7: "I want to thank the astronauts who are with us, the courageous spacial entrepreneurs who set such a wonderful example for the young of our country." -Washington, D.C. Jan. 14, 2004

#6: "We will make sure our troops have all that is necessary to complete their missions. That's why I went to the Congress last September and proposed fundamental - supplemental funding, which is money for armor and body parts and ammunition and fuel." -Erie, Pa., Sept. 4, 2004

#5: "After standing on the stage, after the debates, I made it very plain, we will not have an all-volunteer army. And yet, this week - we will have an all-volunteer army!" -Daytona Beach, Fla., Oct. 16, 2004

#4: "Tribal sovereignty means that; it's sovereign. I mean, you're a - you've been given sovereignty, and you're viewed as a sovereign entity. And therefore the relationship between the federal government and tribes is one between sovereign entities." -Washington, D.C., Aug. 6, 2004

#3: "I hear there's rumors on the Internets that we're going to have a draft." -second presidential debate, St. Louis, Mo., Oct. 8, 2004

#2: "Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB-GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country." -Poplar Bluff, Mo., Sept. 6, 2004

#1: "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." -Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004[/spoiler]

[1horseman]

My favorite quotes are...

"On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes -- and I see many of them in the audience here today -- our sense of patriotism is particularly strong."

"I've now been in 57 states -- I think one left to go." --at a campaign event in Beaverton, Oregon

"In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died -- an entire town destroyed." --on a Kansas tornado that killed 12 people

[urogard]

or because it's easier to blame him them yourself for your own stupidity or because it's the "flavor of the month"?

People believe what they get told, only a minority actually thinks outside the herd

plus don't forget that when people are faced with an authority they will "delegate" responsibility (that's standard behavior) and have been brought up with the conditioning that following authorities without question brings rewards/avoids punishment

[Sabin le Rose]

My main problem with bush is the whole Iraq war.
I understand the Afghanistan war. There was a point to that.

Then bam, U.S forces are over in another country leaving Afhanada to us Canadians, and NATO forces.

I refuse to admit it was pointless.
The amount of good that has been done in Afghanistan is insane. The media is a **** storm of propaganda on how bad its doing.

Go check out real soldiers blogs, on the net. Talk to the real people on the ground.
I have a few friends overseas. I fear for em. But they say its worth it. From how fear striken the people were when they went in, and now how they hail them as heros.

*shrugs* Im getting off topic though, sorry.

[Biscuit]

Almost, if not, all of those quotes are either taken out of context or simple slip ups do to the pressure of giving a speech in front of 6 billion people.

I couldn't talk in front of 10 people I don't know. So what if he gets a few "sayings" wrong or says something that can be seen as stupid or offensive when taken out of context.

A President is a person not a robot who is 100% perfect and as I already stated most will prefer Bush compared to Obama in a couple years. Hell.. I even prefer Bush over Obama with all his BS claims of "change"

[Solus]

Almost, if not, all of those quotes are either taken out of context or simple slip ups do to the pressure of giving a speech in front of 6 billion people.

I couldn't talk in front of 10 people I don't know. So what if he gets a few "sayings" wrong or says something that can be seen as stupid or offensive when taken out of context.

A President is a person not a robot who is 100% perfect and as I already stated most will prefer Bush compared to Obama in a couple years. Hell.. I even prefer Bush over Obama with all his BS claims of "change"

just a soundbyte for the media circus. Barrack Obama: Change. Kevin Rudd (Aus Prime Minister): Working Families. just pre election hype imo.

~soul

[Biscuit]

Almost, if not, all of those quotes are either taken out of context or simple slip ups do to the pressure of giving a speech in front of 6 billion people.

I couldn't talk in front of 10 people I don't know. So what if he gets a few "sayings" wrong or says something that can be seen as stupid or offensive when taken out of context.

A President is a person not a robot who is 100% perfect and as I already stated most will prefer Bush compared to Obama in a couple years. Hell.. I even prefer Bush over Obama with all his BS claims of "change"

Something we agree on.

I know.. it takes world politics for us to finally not try to kill each other

[Reaver]

As much as I don't consider him being "good", I've to agree that people did support this war and voted for him another time in 2004 knowing well what he would do...and now bash Bush all they can.
Hypocrisy much? (not concerning those who didn't and still don't support bush, or those who still follow him)

Well, welcome to America, sadly. That's what we've become. Most of us don't want to pony up and take the blame for our own actions anymore, we'd just rather put it all on others.

hmmm...... you sure? ever read patriotic act's. YOU can be held indefinatly without trial if someone suspects you in terrorism. sounds like dictatrship and tyrany to me. or at least not democracy and freedom.

That's actually not true. While I have issues with the PA, it's critics in the media have largely over stated what the government can do under the measure.

As for Bush, well I think he probably did the best he could. I can't imagine leading the nation when 9/11 happened. It's hard to fathom that I could have done better so I can't criticize too much. With that said, he has made some very serious mistakes that I think history will have to judge him for. Rather he'll be seen in a better light down the road, who knows at this point? But one thing that can be said is that he and his administration have done what they believed in their hearts that they needed to in order to keep the country safe. A lot of us no longer agree that their measures were correct. Especially in connecting our country with the practice of torture, they have let us down.

But I suspect that Obama has a much harder job ahead than even Bush. Because he is a media darling and his followers have such hope and so many expectations that are nearly impossible to meet. So I suspect that unless the Obamaessiah really is the second coming, there will be many people bitterly disappointed in four years. The poor guy isn't even in office yet and his followers are already screaming to the heavens because he is having a conservative Christian give the inaugural prayer and because he has already came out supporting Israel against Hamas. So yeah, he has a rough road ahead of him.

And for the record, I'm on the east coast of the USA.

[Cole]

Almost, if not, all of those quotes are either taken out of context or simple slip ups do to the pressure of giving a speech in front of 6 billion people.

I couldn't talk in front of 10 people I don't know. So what if he gets a few "sayings" wrong or says something that can be seen as stupid or offensive when taken out of context.

A President is a person not a robot who is 100% perfect and as I already stated most will prefer Bush compared to Obama in a couple years. Hell.. I even prefer Bush over Obama with all his BS claims of "change"

That's *ALOT* of assuming there.

[ThunderCat]

can anybody name any accomplishments of obama when he was a senator?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gyh8oigxRnk



My favorite Obama quotes:

"But somethings stirring in Selma, Alabama because some folks were willing to march across a bridge. And so they got together, and Barack Obama junior was born"

but wait- obama was born in 1961 and the Selma march was in 1964....


and

"I had an uncle who was part of the first American troops to go into Aushwitz and liberate the concentration camps."

but wait- the Russians liberated Aushwitz....

[Solus]

Almost, if not, all of those quotes are either taken out of context or simple slip ups do to the pressure of giving a speech in front of 6 billion people.

I couldn't talk in front of 10 people I don't know. So what if he gets a few "sayings" wrong or says something that can be seen as stupid or offensive when taken out of context.

A President is a person not a robot who is 100% perfect and as I already stated most will prefer Bush compared to Obama in a couple years. Hell.. I even prefer Bush over Obama with all his BS claims of "change"

That's *ALOT* of assuming there.

not really pops. Australia just went through the entire process of a new leader, promised new things, and we're already past 12 months in office and not much has happened apart from some idiot minister who wants to try to get the net filtered for young children. im sure it seems innocent enough but this plan is flawed on so many levels..... spoiler'd cos its not particularly relevant, i feel like a rant. [spoiler]considering there is no optionality to it, most internet linked households here dont have children under 15 or so, so no major risk, and the entire idea of taking the responsibility away from parents is just going to come and bite you in the end. also considering the only countries to filter on the level were talking here are countries like china, iran etc etc.[/spoiler]

the whole promise of change isnt all its cracked up to be, i can say from experience. then the promises that barrack made otherwise of this 'change' from what i hear arent too good an idea.

in short, change yes. but change to what? seriously isnt a big deal. culturally america getting its first african american president, thats a milestone but his promises arent that same milestone.

[Biscuit]

I think it's pretty pathetic that a guy was voted into presidency because of his race (Yeah, cry all you want about him being a good candidate but don't BS me saying it had nothing to do with race).
If he was white he would be another boring president candidate - fact.

I can't see him doing anything too exciting apart from too much PR and appearances at schools

[Fear Of The Duck]

can anybody name any accomplishments of obama when he was a senator?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gyh8oigxRnk

just 1?
well.. if that's how many bills will be passed during the next 4 years then it's wonderfull!

“The more corrupt the state, the more laws.”
Publius Cornelius Tacitus