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Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:15 am
by SSG EnterTheLion
greenman wrote:ETL wrote:I have to be the center of attention at all times. I keep trying to quit, but I can't find this much idol worship anywhere else, so I come here to be worshiped for a short time. Then i get bored and "leave". But after a while, I realize that I miss being the center of the universe, so I come back again. For this wave of the "I Love ETL" lovefest, I decide to post quasi history that does nothing more then to beef up my already enlarged electronic ego, and that nobody cares about except my friends. Don't worry, I'll leave again in a couple months, but I'll soon realize that the real world doesn't afford me the attention I so obviously deserve. LISTEN TO ME! LISTEN TO ME! PAY ATTENTION TO MEEEE!
lmao amusing. ok then I NEED more attention..WORSHIP ME you tool!
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:22 am
by greenman
Yeah, that may have worked back when you WERE a great player. A legend, yes. But now you just remind me of the old sports stars that refuse to leave the limelight. They keep coming back out of retirement and embarrassing themselves. It's not about the money, or even the glory. It's about the spotlight.
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:27 am
by papa~smurf
SSG EnterTheLion wrote:me ARE your GODS!!!
i am glad u took the time to write all that, however, u did not even address my question,....
are u going to tell us (us being the majority of the coumuity who dosn't give a rats ass about what u did three years ago )
who u know is cheating or has cheated, cause thats all i care about..
.if u know cheaters, it is your duty as a admired player to expose them, and if u shield them, then u are just as bad.
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:29 am
by Vendetta
GREENMAN!?!?!?!?

Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:48 am
by SSG EnterTheLion
greenman, dont forget to keep My planet green. I do so love green grass, perfect for thrysts with the better looking females of My world...
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 7:04 am
by papa~smurf
SSG EnterTheLion wrote:greenman, dont forget to keep My planet green. I do so love green grass, perfect for thrysts with the better looking females of My world...
so u answer a none question with a , well, some what childish answer, and will not even answer mine ? nice
so who are these cheaters u speak of ?
.as for cheating, do you really want me to go there? Consider yourselves lucky that I don't take this game too seriously anymore, or your members will be exposed. Shall I give you an example. Shall I go on? Anyone can claim anything about anyone, but you seem to forget who you are dealing with. Consider yourselves lucky I don't betray confidences of CERTAIN people.
as stated before...if u know about cheating, and not say any thing...u are just as bad
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 7:42 am
by BMMJ13
This so called insult was addressed at Omega, DDE and The Task Force, yet Omega was the only one crying about it (bad word choice?). It seems as though your "Empire" is just whisper down the lane, seeing as I doubt you would know what I had said if you don't even know my name (unless that is just an insult as well? the horror!).
-JMB
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 7:58 am
by Dundee
SSG EnterTheLion wrote:Ok quite a few people have asked me what the deal is with Omega and EPA/EPAC so I've decided to post a little history between our two alliances.
Of course it all began when M (Wolf359) and I became friends. He had joined Omega in quantum first wave and we used to talk regularly. He led his alliance with honour, a quality which I consider important and so it ended up that Omega and the EPA formed an alliance of friendship. Unlike some other groups in this game, we don't make alliances of convenience. I used to liase with the EPA HC at the time alot, had full access to all their forums and so on. Together we had some great wars with the Systems Lords Alliance and when Jarihn bought Iron's account (at that time the only account as powerful as mine), created his alliance and planned to go to war with the EPA, I stepped in and stopped that threat.
So as things go, after many months, DD joined us as part of the Grand Alliance..and then eventually DDE. During this time the EPA had grown into EPAC. Basically a huge amount of players! During a collective decision, it was decided that each alliance could only have 120 members each. Due to this Omega had to withdraw it's invitation to the AK and FAHQ in joining the OE as our numbers would have surpassed the 120 limit. The EPA were offered the same deal but refused to cut it's members. So a vote was taken by the 3 alliance leaders, Virgil, REK and myself. They voted to remove the EPA and I voted to keep them, majority decision standing. And so CoP was born!
Now suddenly, out of nowhere, EPAC members were talking about Omega being responsible for their ouster and how war was inevitable. Having access to their forums, I read the badmouthing which continued for a bit. Even though my own HC access was removed, I had, through a slice of luck the login details of one of the former HC of EPA. In the guy's defence, I must add he was not a traitor. I once had problems logging in and needed to read up on something and he volunteered his login (this was when we were allies). I can't recall the guy's name but it's beside the point. So one day reading up on their forums HC section and I come across an attack order from JaseB to attack Omega at a specific time. On discovering this, I showed this to the OHC and used my veto to declare war on the EPAC. And so the Omega/EPA war took place. They were defeated and then Acronon had a fit and gave their leader access to our entire forum. Surprise Suprise, he found that not only Omega weren't planning a war with the EPA, but had never intended to go to war with our old allies.
Since then the great motto that their founder set up has fallen by the wayside. They ally with anyone who suits their purposes, while claiming their supposed allies don't tarnish their own image. When leading members of their alliance insult other alliances not at war with them, their leadership doesn't have the balls to make the person apologise. The TF of course are so desperate for allies they'll accept JMB's (whatever his name is) insults. But then when all you are left with is Elusive 2 and his buddies doing most of the fighting, you can't complain where you get your allies.
And finally a message to the EPA leadership. You lot dishonour the legacy of Wolf and so I do not recognise you as the allies we once shared so much with. If Wolf were still around, we all know that he would never have allowed fools to dictate his alliance's policy and go to war with Omega. And most definitely he knew us well enough to know that war was never inevitable as long as there was honour.
While being largely accurate there are flaws.....
While true that Jase and EPA command at the time may have over-reacted to what happened with the GA instead of you pre-empting our attack you could have attempted to talk to us..... out of respect..... go to war was your solution to that problem though.
Had that conflict not happened the history of SGW would have been very different of that I am sure.
As for allies tarnishing who we are as an alliance I would be looking at your own allies before making brash statements about ours.
And finally...... as for taking allies of convenience.... the only allies EPA have had since inception has been...
1. EPAC (TSA, 359, The Hive, SPM, WoB and BWP)
2. The GA (Omega, DDE, DD)
3. CIA (Too many to mention but TLE, The Foundation, TA... etc etc)
and now TTF which are basically the same as those in CIA.
The only allies of convenience are those in CIA and TTF as that is at the heart of those organisations.... independent alliances coming together to fight a common enemy.
While we will never be the same as we once were, that is always going to be the case with Wolf359 in command or otherwise. Everything changes.
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 8:21 am
by SSG EnterTheLion
Dundee, did JaseB or did he not post a message in your HC ordering the EPA to attack at a specific time. If I look hard enough I can even find a copy of the post. I know you claimed he was drunk or something, but the fact is he was in command and posted an order to attack. You know for a fact that we did not want that war out of respect for our long alliance and to this day I regret it had to happen. And regardless of what others say, we haven't bad mouthed the EPA. And yet you allow some two bob player to dictate your policy. You are the ones who claimed the motto 'for honour and glory'...so where is the honour in that? Does he not have the balls to apologise?
Perhaps the Task Force doesn't have much self respect and they can accept him insulting them, but when we have always treated someone well, we expect the same. I wouldn't take it amiss if it was a TA member or Legion member, they have been long term enemies.
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 8:39 am
by BMMJ13
Your reaction to my post said way more then I could have ever posted.
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:39 am
by Mathlord
Is ETL trying to talk about other people spending money on this game? lol.
Sorry man, you look a little dusty these days. We need the janitor to come visit the old relic section more often.
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:00 am
by Dundee
SSG EnterTheLion wrote:Dundee, did JaseB or did he not post a message in your HC ordering the EPA to attack at a specific time. If I look hard enough I can even find a copy of the post. I know you claimed he was drunk or something, but the fact is he was in command and posted an order to attack. You know for a fact that we did not want that war out of respect for our long alliance and to this day I regret it had to happen. And regardless of what others say, we haven't bad mouthed the EPA. And yet you allow some two bob player to dictate your policy. You are the ones who claimed the motto 'for honour and glory'...so where is the honour in that? Does he not have the balls to apologise?
Perhaps the Task Force doesn't have much self respect and they can accept him insulting them, but when we have always treated someone well, we expect the same. I wouldn't take it amiss if it was a TA member or Legion member, they have been long term enemies.
I don't deny Jase posted that, but we could have talked it out instead of both sides jumping the gun. Anyway that's the past.
It's also true that you haven't bad mouthed EPA but BMM didn't directly bad mouth Omega or OE, if you read his comment it was a general insult aimed at those replying from both sides that are being childish.
It's a classic case of mis-interpretation. On a forum and online you will always have problems with intention and interpretation.
As for him dictating policy, that couldn't be further from the truth... I chose to stand by my member than force him to apologise for something that was taken too seriously
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:24 am
by Am Heh
Dundee wrote:It's also true that you haven't bad mouthed EPA but BMM didn't directly bad mouth Omega or OE, if you read his comment it was a general insult aimed at those replying from both sides that are being childish.
It's a classic case of mis-interpretation. On a forum and online you will always have problems with intention and interpretation.
As for him dictating policy, that couldn't be further from the truth... I chose to stand by my member than force him to apologise for something that was taken too seriously
Actually he did insult OE. Here is another time he has insulted the empire
BMMJ13 wrote:We can tell you are FUALL by your intelligence. Or lack thereof.
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:25 am
by Dundee
Am Heh wrote:Dundee wrote:It's also true that you haven't bad mouthed EPA but BMM didn't directly bad mouth Omega or OE, if you read his comment it was a general insult aimed at those replying from both sides that are being childish.
It's a classic case of mis-interpretation. On a forum and online you will always have problems with intention and interpretation.
As for him dictating policy, that couldn't be further from the truth... I chose to stand by my member than force him to apologise for something that was taken too seriously
Actually he did insult OE. Here is another time he has insulted the empire
BMMJ13 wrote:We can tell you are FUALL by your intelligence. Or lack thereof.
Oh by that time the threats had already been made and the damage done so that's not really a relevant insult...... more like insult to injury but yeah not relevant to the discussion.
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:26 am
by SSG EnterTheLion
I've used to wonder why straight after the break up of the GA, the EPA became rabid towards Omega. After all, there was DDE and the DD there, two alliances much more hostile. And yet all the post break up abuse was directed at us. Now I realise that you lot expanded so fast you allowed enemies to slip between the cracks. And we did give you guys time. We stayed our hand for weaks while you all insulted us. Of course when I say you all, I don't refer to ALL both the guys who did. My theory seems to gain ground even more as you guys joined the CIA and so on, despite disliking the alliances like the Legion.
Mathlord, presumption is a **Filtered** isn't it! I have never spent any of my own money on this game. I have never made any money either. I pity you that you are so blinded by hate because if it wasn't for me, there would be no limits on spending in both main and quantum, and instead of having just 2 ELUSIVEs over 4 years, we would have had many many more.