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Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 12:33 pm
by SSG EnterTheLion
Mathlord wrote:SSG EnterTheLion wrote:Mathlord wrote:SSG EnterTheLion wrote:Mathlord, presumption is a **Filtered** isn't it! I have never spent any of my own money on this game. I have never made any money either. I pity you that you are so blinded by hate because if it wasn't for me, there would be no limits on spending in both main and quantum, and instead of having just 2 ELUSIVEs over 4 years, we would have had many many more.
Well good for you! Here's a cookie! On second thought, there is no limit on naq spending in main so cookie revoked. The black market alone allows anyone and everyone to buy their stuff as they see fit. Did I ever say you spent money on the game? No, I just find it hilarious considering who is in your "empire". In large part the big players still fighting in FUA use money at the very least to merlin their planets. Not to mention those who have invested a far deal more.
So leave your righteous attitude to the Omega forums where people still buy your propaganda, or at least pretend like they do.
Are you trying to compare what they spend to your guys? I assure you there is a HUGE gap. But knowing you lot, don't let the facts get in the way of presumption. I have kicked cheats out of my alliance when I have found them. You guys still celebrate and consider some of the biggest exploiters your heroes. Anyone can mouth off that so and so is a cheat. But the fact is JASON knows I have never cheated and my alliance knows the same. Yet the same cannot be said for a few guys from your side I have mentioned in the past. Has the TA EVER kicked out an exploiter or cheat from their alliance? I don't know, but your founders surely exploited alot. And the best you can come up from our side is accuse STI/REBORN, when anyone who visited south England on one of the SGW meet ups know there are 3 brothers, and not one pretending to be 3 as claimed by some from your side. In the past I have helped TA members who have gotten into a fix with game problems and such. It's time you all looked beyond blind hatred and accept that whatever you may consider Omega, we are the only alliance to ever go after major cheats regardless of the price. I do not claim to be a saint, but I dont let a mere game compromise what I think. Search for yourself, you will not find me randomly insulting any player on here unless I felt I had reason to. You ever want to have a fair discussion about anything, feel free to msn me.
PS: Dundee, the hate comment wasn't directed at you.
Noone to my knowledge was claiming those three were the same person, rather they instead were logging into eachothers account to bank etc.
Now, I could list once again the ten thousand times your side has "tested bugs" prior to reporting them to admins, then accused others of cheating for doing the same as you. Shoot that's how the POD thing started in the first place. I could list how you had Jason's ear and molded game updates to suit Omega's desires. That's why it's so laughable you complain about other's "ruining" ascension when you ruined it far far earlier.
On the spending front, there are a few players in FUA who have spent more than our sinister "elusive II"

, all of which spent well over a grand in this war so far, but I do like the effort to talk in BIG CAPITAL LETTERS to show you're serious in your point, real menacing

I'm sure your fighters though are real happy with your opinion on how they attempt to save you day in and day out.
Now go ahead, complain about the terrible TA and how we destroy all the good and hope that Omega has stood for over the years. It's so cute.
So once again you presume when you know nothing. You have no clue how admin works do you. There was a test server for a reason..where things were tested. And before that the testers were mainly what would be considered neutral or enemies of the alliance. I was the only Omegan who helped admin test stuff. And if we had really intended or wanted to, we could have used bugs we found to be so far ahead. But we didn't. There is a reason admin trusted me. Because he knew I suggested updates that screwed over my own alliance. I could go into those but why waste my time. And as far as releasing them, admin took his time. He didn't operate on my schedule. As I have pointed out, you lot allow your hate to blind you to the facts. After all, it's far easier to spread stuff based on what you think you know rather than what you actually know.
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 12:34 pm
by Munchy
All I can say is wow.. I agree with Greenman. You were once a powerful figure ETL, a legend within this little game, but you are becoming the old man in the corner who continuously complains with almost no constructive material to speak of.
As for cheaters or whatever within empires.. You once seemed very convinced Freespirit was one. As can be attained from this thread
viewtopic.php?f=159&t=112204Granted, no conviction was made, nor was one expected, but a man who
you atleast once believed to be a cheater now sits happily within your empire. But I assume you are going to say this is different in some way from the dirt you continue to spew on others?
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 12:40 pm
by Tekki
This is amusing, all this effort by TAF but I guess it's also expected since ETL is the one you focus your hatred on.
Though while you are busy spewing forth stuff TAF, do take a look at how you have changed yourselves over time. It doesn't paint a pretty picture.
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 12:40 pm
by renegadze
So once again you presume when you know nothing. You have no clue how admin works do you. There was a test server for a reason..where things were tested. And before that the testers were mainly what would be considered neutral or enemies of the alliance. I was the only Omegan who helped admin test stuff. And if we had really intended or wanted to, we could have used bugs we found to be so far ahead. But we didn't. There is a reason admin trusted me. Because he knew I suggested updates that screwed over my own alliance. I could go into those but why waste my time. And as far as releasing them, admin took his time. He didn't operate on my schedule. As I have pointed out, you lot allow your hate to blind you to the facts. After all, it's far easier to spread stuff based on what you think you know rather than what you actually know.
So the planet stealing update didn't come about when the likes of Devilboy\YKK were only taking Omegan planets?
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 12:43 pm
by Rocky
i see this has moved away from being a topic about EPA and OE, and now a topic about which side has cheated... which side is more honourable... how dissapointed OE is now, let me just address that, ETL, i wasn't around in the GA days but if you knew the fixed date when EPA was going to strike, why did you do a pre emptive strike, why not try to talk it over, if you were really friends of EPA rather than the enemy why did you attack and not talk to EPA. I beleive that is where our bad nature towards OE started, but as i said i wasn't around back then.
can we keep on topic please, the war thread has been reopened for a reason and there is a discussion topic for TTF vs FUALL
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 12:46 pm
by GrizzZzzly
Thats enough ah this insubordination!!!
this thread isn't about cheaters but about EPA and OE relations as BMM has already said, can we stick to that please.
From our own EPA forums the majority think (thought) that OE were ok, no grudges, ill feelings, no blaming OE. Therefore this situation can not be taken or debated with the history of the two alliances. Because thats not what started the conflict. what sparked the incident was a generalisation which included OE because FUALL was mentioned. Therefore mountains were made out of molehills and boom!! we have a war.

Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 12:49 pm
by ~Massin4Christ~
BMMJ13 wrote:Wow, I can't believe EPA has so many cheaters. Once again, I would never apologize for calling FUALL and TTF children, for it is pretty damn apparent that some act like such.
What side used the phase bug to withdraw naq and keep it out and mass? WHILE PHASED... Oh, that would be EPA... Damn... Almost forgot about that....
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 12:54 pm
by GrizzZzzly
phase bug?? what the heck are you on about ya paranoid hippi. you really crack me up, especially when you mention a bug that we have no clue about but apparently you know quite a lot about. seems suspicious don't you think.
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:11 pm
by Norbe
Tekki wrote:This is amusing, all this effort by TAF but I guess it's also expected since ETL is the one you focus your hatred on.
Though while you are busy spewing forth stuff TAF, do take a look at how you have changed yourselves over time. It doesn't paint a pretty picture.
Mods: Sorry for going offtopic, but I feel the need to respond to this.
You are the one person who should not be talking about how we have changed. I used to respect you a lot, heck I even used to like you.
Then you joined Delta, and suddently start running your mouth off at all of your previous "friends". Now you dont even seem to reply to my PMs. Guess years of being nice to you did me a lot of good. There is no way I'll be sticking up for you in any way shape or form again.
I would be constantly sitting on your account for this, but I dont have money to waste and what little resources I have ingame have far better use.
Back ontopic. As I hope the newer players can see there is a lot of history between TA, EPA and Omega. Personally I find it fascinating, which is part of the reason I love being in TA so much.
~Norbe~
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:18 pm
by SSG EnterTheLion
ROCKY wrote:i see this has moved away from being a topic about EPA and OE, and now a topic about which side has cheated... which side is more honourable... how dissapointed OE is now, let me just address that, ETL, i wasn't around in the GA days but if you knew the fixed date when EPA was going to strike, why did you do a pre emptive strike, why not try to talk it over, if you were really friends of EPA rather than the enemy why did you attack and not talk to EPA. I beleive that is where our bad nature towards OE started, but as i said i wasn't around back then.
can we keep on topic please, the war thread has been reopened for a reason and there is a discussion topic for TTF vs FUALL
yeah agreed..this is a topic only for FUALL/OE and EPAC..so I ask any mods to delete any diverging post from this point on.
As for answering your question. The war didn't begin immediately. After the GA disbanded there was a long period of relative peace. It was during this time that EPAC members used to post insulting stuff about Omega and individuals. Our HC had full access to these posts of course and we did discuss it with one or 2 epa members..I remember Balhaar and me used to talk ALOT. As I mentioned I was puzzled because here we in Omega still were trying to find a way to keep the alliance. We tried to convince EPAC to cut down to 120 members. After all, if the most powerful alliance in the game could keep itself small to honour it's allies, so could EPAC! I found it particularly weird how it was all anti omega and nothing against DD/DDE. When one thinks about it, that seems like someone was manipulating the EPAC. And then when JaseB announced a time to strike, which wasn 't that far off..I wasn't going to sit by and let my alliance be attacked. It's like someone knowing that a disaster like 9/11 was going to happen and not warning anyone about it. Believe me when I tell you I was saddened to give the order to strike.
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:19 pm
by Severian
SSG EnterTheLion wrote:I'm happy to discover that Math. As for your heroes, I don't know your PERSONAL heroes. I was referring more in the sense of alliance players
heroes..you know sc thor etc..the old TA, the guys who I pointed out earlier.
There is one thing I dislike..when alliances allow people they know have exploited/cheated just b/c they have alot of stats/ power and it helps them against their enemies. Again not referring to the TA..making a general statement.
For instance, not many know this but both Nebulator and JUAN wanted to join Omega at one time. Both were shown the door.
Oh my kitty kat. So calling people up and getting them to bank for you wasn't cheating? You've been dirty from the start and your alliance has a lot of dirty secrets...
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:21 pm
by SSG EnterTheLion
Severian wrote:SSG EnterTheLion wrote:I'm happy to discover that Math. As for your heroes, I don't know your PERSONAL heroes. I was referring more in the sense of alliance players
heroes..you know sc thor etc..the old TA, the guys who I pointed out earlier.
There is one thing I dislike..when alliances allow people they know have exploited/cheated just b/c they have alot of stats/ power and it helps them against their enemies. Again not referring to the TA..making a general statement.
For instance, not many know this but both Nebulator and JUAN wanted to join Omega at one time. Both were shown the door.
Oh my kitty kat. So calling people up and getting them to bank for you wasn't cheating? You've been dirty from the start and your alliance has a lot of dirty secrets...
If they don't play the game it is legal..you think I didn't ask admin that? And btw haven't u surrendered?
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:23 pm
by Nimras
~MassinForChrist~ wrote:BMMJ13 wrote:Wow, I can't believe EPA has so many cheaters. Once again, I would never apologize for calling FUALL and TTF children, for it is pretty damn apparent that some act like such.
What side used the phase bug to withdraw naq and keep it out and mass? WHILE PHASED... Oh, that would be EPA... Damn... Almost forgot about that....
Made no bug misused so please.
Now and OE runs around whining that BMMJ13 said FUALL and TTF acted like children and look what you did to this thread both sides when you have then read his comment again OE and then take your biting at us for the so called "INSULT" he made and put it up your nose or something as you damn showed he is right goes to both places.
Can we get this topic locked or back on topic as i find it degrading to listen about who cheated the most.
Look FUALL used a bug TTF used a bug, FUALL has/had a scammer TTF has/had a scammer and FUALL has/had a cheater TTF has/had a cheater.
Who cares both of you had and both will as thats almost impossible to stop.
Now for on topic seems like OE and EPA has a tendensy to talk past each other from the sound of it heh.
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:30 pm
by Dundee
~MassinForChrist~ wrote:BMMJ13 wrote:Wow, I can't believe EPA has so many cheaters. Once again, I would never apologize for calling FUALL and TTF children, for it is pretty damn apparent that some act like such.
What side used the phase bug to withdraw naq and keep it out and mass? WHILE PHASED... Oh, that would be EPA... Damn... Almost forgot about that....
I suspect he is referring to Stoney and a couple of other aussies that abused this bug unaware that it was a bug. They paid their dues for their crimes and it certainly wasn't sanctioned abuse by EPA.
SSG EnterTheLion wrote:ROCKY wrote:i see this has moved away from being a topic about EPA and OE, and now a topic about which side has cheated... which side is more honourable... how dissapointed OE is now, let me just address that, ETL, i wasn't around in the GA days but if you knew the fixed date when EPA was going to strike, why did you do a pre emptive strike, why not try to talk it over, if you were really friends of EPA rather than the enemy why did you attack and not talk to EPA. I beleive that is where our bad nature towards OE started, but as i said i wasn't around back then.
can we keep on topic please, the war thread has been reopened for a reason and there is a discussion topic for TTF vs FUALL
yeah agreed..this is a topic only for FUALL/OE and EPAC..so I ask any mods to delete any diverging post from this point on.
As for answering your question. The war didn't begin immediately. After the GA disbanded there was a long period of relative peace. It was during this time that EPAC members used to post insulting stuff about Omega and individuals. Our HC had full access to these posts of course and we did discuss it with one or 2 epa members..I remember Balhaar and me used to talk ALOT. As I mentioned I was puzzled because here we in Omega still were trying to find a way to keep the alliance. We tried to convince EPAC to cut down to 120 members. After all, if the most powerful alliance in the game could keep itself small to honour it's allies, so could EPAC! I found it particularly weird how it was all anti omega and nothing against DD/DDE. When one thinks about it, that seems like someone was manipulating the EPAC. And then when JaseB announced a time to strike, which wasn 't that far off..I wasn't going to sit by and let my alliance be attacked. It's like someone knowing that a disaster like 9/11 was going to happen and not warning anyone about it. Believe me when I tell you I was saddened to give the order to strike.
I suspect most of the animosity at that time was built up around the fact that we all trusted Omega 100% and therefore felt betrayed by Omega the most, whether that's the case or not I'm confident that's what the general feeling was.
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:38 pm
by Norbe
I'll reply to ETL as well.
SSG EnterTheLion wrote:I'm happy to discover that Math. As for your heroes, I don't know your PERSONAL heroes. I was referring more in the sense of alliance players
heroes..you know sc thor etc..the old TA, the guys who I pointed out earlier..
Perhaps one thing that you dont know, ETL, is that the players from the early who get the most praise and respect within TA are those that are still here, like Nox and O-Neill. Personally I think anyone who's only legacy is to cause what is basically a never-ending (or four years and still counting) conflict with other major alliances is not someone who I should be looking up to. I will generalise and say that the majority of newer TA players probably feel the same.
Oh and one more thing, lets not forget that the history between TA and EPA is interesting. In the early stages of the game TA and EPA were very closely related, infact before alliance tags came in we shared many members. The ties between TA and EPA were eventually cut (though TA were none the wiser at the time) and EPA caught us completely by suprise when they joined the GA, and subsequently fought against TA in the Faction War. Its interesting that TA and EPAs paths have crossed as allies again. This song and dance seems to have gone in a full circle.
~Norbe~