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Wolf359 wrote:Reducing the power of covert is not the answer. I believe that the answer is to nullify the untouchability of covert, but in such a way that it is fair to all concerned. Being able to simply destroy someone's covert overnight is not fair - but I do believe that being able to attack covert is something that is needed - i.e. being able to kill spies.

I also think that spies should undergo some virtual training - i.e. so that when you train some spies up, they do not start at wahtever your spy level is immediately. The choice would be that they would start at Level 1 and would, over time, attain the spy level you are at. Alternatively, they could start at a certain level below the spy level of teh player.

A third option would be that when you train your spies - a different cost is imposed dependent on which spy level (up to your level) you want to train them - then they increase level with time/experience.

Now this could be tied in with the fact that spies are lost on sabotage missions - the most inexperienced (hence lower level spies) are killed first.

The same can be said if the ability to kill spies is introduced. The less experienced, lower level spies, would be killed first, but as they are killed off, the more experienced spies take more effort and are harder to kill.
This would make it hard, but not impossible to effectively reduce somebody's covert. Attacks of this nature could have a limit as to the amount carried out against a player - as the existing covert abilities do now.

Another idea may be to have a new type of sabotage mission, aimed at destroying training facilities, which could reduce a players Spy Level - but personally I like my spy killing idea better.

Wardo wrote:I really like that idea Wolf. I especially like the idea that spies could cost more depending on the level. Once you have a decent UP, spies become so easy to make. 3500 Naq a pop versus 91,000 Naq to train an attacker or defender into a super unit (baring race factors) and then another 216,000 Naq or 590,000 Naq per weapon if you're ascended. The cost of spies makes it very appealing to focus on covert. Scaling that somehow would make the pursuit of spies a lot less easy in comparison to the rest of your army.

Aussie Babsy wrote::( , I'm 100% abot this, I'd need to see a detaled explnation of your idea

Daff wrote::roll: I don't think everyone get's the point of this suggestion. Changing the covert values will have no effect on the strength of covert. It just measn they'll be smaller numbers. Your covert will still be just as effective as before, just the number won't be so high.

Wolf359 wrote:Reducing the power of covert is not the answer. I believe that the answer is to nullify the untouchability of covert, but in such a way that it is fair to all concerned. Being able to simply destroy someone's covert overnight is not fair - but I do believe that being able to attack covert is something that is needed - i.e. being able to kill spies.

I also think that spies should undergo some virtual training - i.e. so that when you train some spies up, they do not start at wahtever your spy level is immediately. The choice would be that they would start at Level 1 and would, over time, attain the spy level you are at. Alternatively, they could start at a certain level below the spy level of teh player.

A third option would be that when you train your spies - a different cost is imposed dependent on which spy level (up to your level) you want to train them - then they increase level with time/experience.

Now this could be tied in with the fact that spies are lost on sabotage missions - the most inexperienced (hence lower level spies) are killed first.

The same can be said if the ability to kill spies is introduced. The less experienced, lower level spies, would be killed first, but as they are killed off, the more experienced spies take more effort and are harder to kill.
This would make it hard, but not impossible to effectively reduce somebody's covert. Attacks of this nature could have a limit as to the amount carried out against a player - as the existing covert abilities do now.

Another idea may be to have a new type of sabotage mission, aimed at destroying training facilities, which could reduce a players Spy Level - but personally I like my spy killing idea better.

Daff wrote::roll: I don't think everyone get's the point of this suggestion. Changing the covert values will have no effect on the strength of covert. It just measn they'll be smaller numbers. Your covert will still be just as effective as before, just the number won't be so high.

Rob--1 wrote:i think the whole point is that covert power is playing to big a part in the rank of someone and their alliance.. what is 5 or 10bil def gonna do when u have say 5 trillion covert?
but yes some thing also needs to be done about covert and attack weapons, some people are just sitting there having a laugh knowing they cant be hit... isnt it called gate wars for a reason?

aussie babsy wrote:

Rob--1 wrote:i think the whole point is that covert power is playing to big a part in the rank of someone and their alliance.. what is 5 or 10bil def gonna do when u have say 5 trillion covert?
but yes some thing also needs to be done about covert and attack weapons, some people are just sitting there having a laugh knowing they cant be hit... isnt it called gate wars for a reason?

I think if there where no farms it would be more of a wars game

Årtiglio wrote:

aussie babsy wrote:

Rob--1 wrote:i think the whole point is that covert power is playing to big a part in the rank of someone and their alliance.. what is 5 or 10bil def gonna do when u have say 5 trillion covert?
but yes some thing also needs to be done about covert and attack weapons, some people are just sitting there having a laugh knowing they cant be hit... isnt it called gate wars for a reason?

I think if there where no farms it would be more of a wars game

not really, with out being able to farm naq how do you plan to war?

no naq = no weapons = no wars

Sarif wrote:i dont mind how effective or powerful covert is, i feel its ok at the moment, but maybe reduce the numbers a bit, the covert is say reduced by a power of 2 but it can still destroy the same amount of weapons.

Daff wrote::roll: I don't think everyone get's the point of this suggestion. Changing the covert values will have no effect on the strength of covert. It just measn they'll be smaller numbers. Your covert will still be just as effective as before, just the number won't be so high.

chunkysoup wrote:

Sarif wrote:i dont mind how effective or powerful covert is, i feel its ok at the moment, but maybe reduce the numbers a bit, the covert is say reduced by a power of 2 but it can still destroy the same amount of weapons.

Daff wrote::roll: I don't think everyone get's the point of this suggestion. Changing the covert values will have no effect on the strength of covert. It just measn they'll be smaller numbers. Your covert will still be just as effective as before, just the number won't be so high.

I think these two are the only ones that really got the point of what phoenix was saying... Essentially, on your command center page, instead of saying Covert Power: 500,000 it would say Covert Power: 250,000....

Get it? If everyone's was divided by two, then covert would still be just as powerful as before... ie - if I could sab you before and take out x weapons, I can still sab you now and take out x weapons, but when calculated commander rankings and alliance rankings, covert would play a smaller role. Anyone that knows what happens on alliance rankings when prior joins/leaves an alliance knows what I'm talking about. This proposal will simply shift around alliance rankings a bit, and it wouldn't affect gameplay or anyone's ability to sab/recon anyone else AT ALL. Sheesh. You're right phoenix... most people just can't read

-Chunkysoup