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Biscuit wrote:Jack wrote:I don't give a damn about Europe or the European Union.
I actually agree
Semper wrote:Biscuit wrote:Jack wrote:I don't give a damn about Europe or the European Union.
I actually agree
So do I. I'm from the UK, in general the EU have to threaten us with a trade tantrum before we generally do as they say...
Rule Britannia!
LegendaryApophis wrote:Universe wrote:LegendaryApophis wrote:Universe wrote:As for Parliament.. Radical Right to parliament. I repeat my earlier statement.
We need actual inside polarisation if we are ever to achieve any form of progress in this museum of antiquity.
I think regress was the accurate word.
Lack of understanding does not warrant repetition of pointless arguments.
Uh? I got no clue of how politics are JUST because I stated the obvious?
Anyway, far right and progress are oxymoron to each others. Far right is the failed bunch of right wing. Same as extreme left for left wing.
Extreme right= nazi/fascist/racist **modded**. Regress. Like I said.
LegendaryApophis wrote:... it was funny but I prefer ... the more excessive ... ! ...
You should really learn how to put matters in perspective. The death of my great-grandfather is as much a detail of the Second World War as the theft of my uncle's bike by a German officer. And that is as much a detail of WW2 as the XIV Panzerkorps being initially the only German tanks to reach Stalingrad. Which is as much a detail as Erich von Mansteins failure to rescue Paulus. Which is as much a detail as the failure of Operation Barbarossa in general. Which is as much a detail as Hitlers mistake not to include an offensive in the Middle-East in the war plans thus failing to guarantee abundant supplies for the Army effort.LegendaryApophis wrote:Universe wrote:LegendaryApophis wrote:The Telegraph.co.uk wrote:Jean-Marie Le Pen, the French far-Right leader, faced calls for his prosecution after he repeated a claim that Nazi death camps were a "detail of Second World War history".
NO further comment needed, the above is enough!
It is as much a detail of the Second World War as the invasion of Poland, or the lack of resistance in France. I don't see what's wrong with his statement. Not like he's arguing that there were no death camps.
I'm *extremly* disappoited in your statement.
Comparing lack of resistance with jews extermination in a same level...what the hell?
My history teachers would be horrified if I claimed it to them...
Mordack wrote:It's a little hard, not to mention a little silly, to live in the modern Europe and not give a damn about Europe. As much as European issues are belittled by the British media and ignored by the British public, nobody can deny that membership to the European Union has impacted our country. We've had to make significant changes to our infrastructure in order to meet EU standards, and we've had to surrender power in many areas (most notably the agricultural and fishing industries, where we've acquiesced to French and German demands over our own better interests. The impact has been a double edged sword. I personally feel that we've benefitted, at least in economic terms, but I think that everytime we give power over our own affairs to a foreign, supranational entity it's a step in the wrong direction. Don't get me wrong; I love Europe, and I love the idea of a Europe in tandum. I want us to work alongside Europe, though, not to be governed by them. The idea of a 'United States of Europe' is one which I'll oppose with every breath in my body.
I think Winston Churchill said it best, when he described Britain as being "with, but not of" Europe. We should be able to stand on our own two feet regardless.
Universe wrote:LegendaryApophis wrote:Universe wrote:Lack of understanding does not warrant repetition of pointless arguments.
Uh? I got no clue of how politics are JUST because I stated the obvious?
Anyway, far right and progress are oxymoron to each others. Far right is the failed bunch of right wing. Same as extreme left for left wing.
Extreme right= nazi/fascist/racist **modded**. Regress. Like I said.
Epic fail. You didn't even understand what I said, the part you quoted.
You obviously have no clue whatsoever, Jim. Sorry, but if you cannot see the positive effects of polarisation in politics, that makes you an ignoramus.
It's what you idiot French are doing to Le Pen, quote and paraphrase and attack the guy on a few minor semantics in some ludicrous deformity of a quote that you created.
Extremists are attention seekers to get themselves votes from ignorants who are magnetised by their crap and medias bangs.
Oh and we are idiots now? Makes me wonder what are French people who antagonize far left eh? And, btw, excuse me, I know a bit better about France political issues than you do (and almost anyone else here does): if I quoted him, don't you think it was for a reason? Quoting far right polish or austrian leaders for example wouldn't be a good tactic of mine. I'm neither Austrian (nor studied their politics). Same for Poland.
What is an ideal political system for me?
Left wing moderate, green party, centre, right wing moderate moderate. Rest being banned a way or another from gov/parliament/senate. I don't give a damn about what people think about it. It's clean from any rotten apple. A governement for progress. For future. For evolution.
Example:LegendaryApophis wrote:... it was funny but I prefer ... the more excessive ... ! ...
O.m.g.. LegendaryApophis prefers excesses!
Wait.
A mass slaughtering party by some rampant anarchists is excessive.
LegendaryApophis must like that. Does LegendaryApophis like mass slaughtering parties by some rampant anarchists?! Woow... BOO LegendaryApophis!
Quite funny as it was a full sentence from The Telegraph. Your made up quote of me was full of "...", quote from Telegraph had none. Bah...not surprising. I'm not an extremist. Le Pen is. NO need to "make up" quotes for him, he makes them alone. For me...it's quite the opposite lmao!
(The above -from Example: onwards- is an example. The idiot who takes offense should get shot in the back of the neck. That said, it is exactly what you French do with your Jean Marie Le Pen. It is exactly what you Belges do with Filip deWinter. It is exactly what the Dutch do to Geert Wilders. Plain. Ignorant. And severely lacking creativity.)
Oh and what about Nicolas Sarkozy and UMP representants comments regarding french far left leader (him being leader of those Strasbourg fools)? (I don't support far left btw, just returning the argument to other side). If you think ONLY far right is antagonized...you are QUITE wrong! How is it better than antagonizing the opposite? Why doing it to far right is a problem, while doing it to far left isn't( apparently)?
See my point?
And what's wrong with politically flaming far right? Nothing..You should really learn how to put matters in perspective. The death of my great-grandfather is as much a detail of the Second World War as the theft of my uncle's bike by a German officer. And that is as much a detail of WW2 as the XIV Panzerkorps being initially the only German tanks to reach Stalingrad. Which is as much a detail as Erich von Mansteins failure to rescue Paulus. Which is as much a detail as the failure of Operation Barbarossa in general. Which is as much a detail as Hitlers mistake not to include an offensive in the Middle-East in the war plans thus failing to guarantee abundant supplies for the Army effort.LegendaryApophis wrote:Universe wrote:LegendaryApophis wrote:The Telegraph.co.uk wrote:Jean-Marie Le Pen, the French far-Right leader, faced calls for his prosecution after he repeated a claim that Nazi death camps were a "detail of Second World War history".
NO further comment needed, the above is enough!
It is as much a detail of the Second World War as the invasion of Poland, or the lack of resistance in France. I don't see what's wrong with his statement. Not like he's arguing that there were no death camps.
I'm *extremly* disappoited in your statement.
Comparing lack of resistance with jews extermination in a same level...what the hell?
My history teachers would be horrified if I claimed it to them...
I'm getting tired of having to educate you. The above examples are *all* details. Details on entirely different levels.. ranging from individual (theft of bike) to strategic (lack of supplies for Barbarossa). How important are those? To individuals that have had either direct or second-hand war experience, the individual details that relate to them somehow are very important and very emotionally charged. To individuals who look at the war from a strictly detached point of view, strategic and tactical details are more important. To Jews, the detail of the holocaust is incredibly important. No one denies that. Le Pen sure didn't.
Educate me here? If everything for you in this world are details, don't think you will make me think like that!
Also, regarding "details", you see, I'm not Jew. I have noone Jew or Israeli in my family. I barely know any Jew people. Yet, their genocide is MUCH WORSE to me than lack of resistance here. (to mention your example) I'm French. My grandfather was a resistant. My family supported resistance. I hate cowards who crawled to nazis, hence, MUCH MORE concerned by lack of resistance in France. Does it mean that lack of resistance is more important than genocide for me (and less of a detail than the other)? No. Does it mean I consider something which I've ALMOST NO LINKS with much more than a detail? Yes.
It's not always about what you are personally concerned by, which is important!
If it makes me be uneducated, then, I am PROUD to be uneducated! ha!
Ah well.. you'll probably skim this text and read all kinds of offensive things in it. Really not my problem. Really.. it isn't. I've said what I said and I stand by it. Enjoy.
Universe wrote:I'd support a European Federation.
Under the following conditions:
1. Founder Member States are awarded double voting rights in parliament decisions.
2. Founder Member States each have at least ONE Chair in the various EU Councils.
3. Schengen Treaty applies only to Founder States.
4. Further additions to the EU must meet strict economic and infrastructural requirements, and a unanimous vote from all Member States.
5. Province/County level administration overrules National or Federation administration, but are kept in check by Federal Commissariates.
6. The High Chancellor, 'President of the EU', will have complete executive powers as guaranteed and limited by the European Constitution.
7. The power of the High Chancellor is balanced by the European Parliament and the Grand Federal Court.
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Anyway.. all that just to be on topic.
Hail the Empire. Long live the future.
LegendaryApophis wrote:<<lots of things, varying from dumb to almost intelligent>>
Goodnight.
Ashu wrote:Right....anyway..
Romania has IDIOTS running for the parliament.The presidents daughter and some other guys...
The presidents daughter is a guy?
Universe wrote:Ashu wrote:Right....anyway..
Romania has IDIOTS running for the parliament.The presidents daughter and some other guys...
Is that the one who was in radio and television shows??
....Let the facts speak...Universe wrote:LegendaryApophis wrote:<<lots of things, varying from dumb to almost intelligent>>
1. You look at things far too emotionally. => personal thing, I dislike it, but if it's what you want, I won't stop you. I will stop you from accusing me of being a cold-hearted b****, racist, or otherwise evil at those points where I am not.
2. You generalise statements I make in order to make your point. => dumb. Fix that, it's a character flaw.
3. You read things in my words, get angry because of what you assume I said, and then accuse me of being a cold-hearted right radical.
For the record, I never said Radical Right was the only 'repressed' party. Show me where I said that, if you insist on making that your key argument?
You are the only one talking about 'repression', and if I had to make a statement in regards to repression, I oppose repression as a whole. I am just far more in favour of "Radical Right" as opposed to Communist f******.
jim wrote:TWO [conservative] French presidents in the last 50 years (De Gaulle and Jacques Chirac, who aren't at all communists or "colored", isn't it?) got attempts of assassination by far right. It's proven fact, first got an attempt of assassination by extreme right group in favour of keeping colonies. Second one got an attempt of murder by a member of Le Pen's party (just a week after Chirac pwnt this idiot in second turn of elections. That after events between both turns where people from communists to moderate right wing conservatives were protesting*together* against the menace of far right in presidentship. There was a reason for that. Commies and right wing never stop to politically slap each others usually.)
Semper wrote:jim wrote:TWO [conservative] French presidents in the last 50 years (De Gaulle and Jacques Chirac, who aren't at all communists or "colored", isn't it?) got attempts of assassination by far right. It's proven fact, first got an attempt of assassination by extreme right group in favour of keeping colonies. Second one got an attempt of murder by a member of Le Pen's party (just a week after Chirac pwnt this idiot in second turn of elections. That after events between both turns where people from communists to moderate right wing conservatives were protesting*together* against the menace of far right in presidentship. There was a reason for that. Commies and right wing never stop to politically slap each others usually.)
Pretty much the nature of politics. These guys have guards for many reasons. How many politicians have been killed by the people themselves? Are you after a dismemberment of a diplomatic government now too?
