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[KMA]Avenger wrote:sorry Goo, i have to disagree with your statement that "things were Fixed" with regards to ROTJ, if anything, Lucas tried to fix something that was not broken. the bounty hunter aspect would have been good to have expanded on in the original trilogy however, that is only a sub-plot and does not contribute to the story as a whole.

with regards to R2, r2's mind has never been wiped which makes him rather eccentric, but the fact still remains that in the prequels (and now in the cartoon series) R2 knows Kenobi and Kenobi also knows R2...so why no mention of ever having met R2 in the originals? because neither 3po nor R2 were in the original back-story which Lucas had written. just like Jar Jar Binks (the single worst character ever created...a real story-killer, he makes me sick!!! ) they were written in to the new prequels to add something that was missing in the new films, something which was in the originals and was done in a more natural way. in the new films its as if Lucas was forcing some humour into the story because they were so lame.
Answered in prior post...

btw, i forgot to mention the fact that the emperors disfigurement was due to his utter madness, his disfigurement is the manifestation of the dark side of the force on his physical body. This is not know at all.. it has been speculated that the 'titanic' act with mace windu forced palpatine to reveal his true self.. on the other hand it has been speculated that it melted his skull.. and only his power with the force kept him alive. Lucas has not answered either.. but all generally go in favour of the former

and there is no way Palpatine could have hidden his ability with the force, any Jedi worth his salt would have sensed the dark side in him when ever they were in proximity to each other, and 2 Jedi of Yoda's and Windu's ability would have sensed the dark side even further away than that.
If they were not looking for it? On top of that, how do you know? Did you create Star Wars? lol.. Sith are VERY good at deception.. it's generally what they do except laugh manically and kill things.. oh and wear black and red. Not to mention the war will have aided palpatine..it is speculated he used the hatred created by the war to empower himself and his 'cloak'.

and also,in ROTJ when asked by Luke if she knew her parents, Leia says she remembers her mother being sad...i think it would have been better for Lucas to have sat down and watched his original master works before writing the new films
Leia is, admitted in ROTJ force sensitive.. she could have been having visions.. or she could actually have been referring to her adopted mother. take you pick..

i saw A New Hope when i was 9 years old and will NEVER forget the experience. i grew up watching those 3 films and i've seen them more times than i can keep count of.
i remember coming out of the Odeon Cinema on the Holloway Road Islington London after just having seen Star Wars and i couldn't wait to get back in and see it again, when i saw The Phantom Menace, i couldn't wait to get out of the cinema and literally forced myself to go see Attack of the Clones and didn't even bother going to see ROTS. i knew after seeing TPM that there was no way Lucas could recover the story and keep it faithful to the original 3

I agree.. there were SOME bad points in the original ones.. but the positive things they brought.. I mean.. aside from the shifty start ROTS was a FANTASTIC film.. and gives ROTJ so much more meaning.. in those final scenes. The duel between Yoda and Dooku (and then Palps) was everything we always wanted to see from Yoda, not to mention we grew closer to Kenobi.. and experienced the Jedi in all their awesome splendour. The arena battle in Episode II - wow! Darth maul? Duel of the fates music... priceless...

and my personal favourite.. the fall of Anikan and the bond between he and kenobi and see Palpatine do his stuff.. are irreplaceable. The only thing that was truly missing from them all.. was the sarcastic bantering of Han Solo and the Black asthmatic Dark Lord...

Avenger.. "I find your lack of faith disturbing.."

Semper wrote:[

I agree.. there were SOME bad points in the original ones.. but the positive things they brought.. I mean.. aside from the shifty start ROTS was a FANTASTIC film.. and gives ROTJ so much more meaning.. in those final scenes. The duel between Yoda and Dooku (and then Palps) was everything we always wanted to see from Yoda, not to mention we grew closer to Kenobi.. and experienced the Jedi in all their awesome splendour. The arena battle in Episode II - wow! Darth maul? Duel of the fates music... priceless...

and my personal favourite.. the fall of Anikan and the bond between he and kenobi and see Palpatine do his stuff.. are irreplaceable. The only thing that was truly missing from them all.. was the sarcastic bantering of Han Solo and the Black asthmatic Dark Lord...

Avenger.. "I find your lack of faith disturbing.."

oh yeah Palpatine was a real efficient corrupter.

Emperor Palpatine:
one day your wife could die dude, and take it from me that is really gonna blow, how about you give me your loyalty and betray all the teachings you've ever had to save her....from this possible death that you dreamed about. Trust me, chill with me, and she's golden.

Oh whats that? you turned and it turns out your wife still died! But you're not mad? you're cool with being my bud? sweet. Yeah I know I promised she'd be cool, but i mean what? can I suddenly tell the future? cmoonnnnnn

*catches your A and hands you it back suggesting that in future you take more care with it*

Appy, i like you but...you never make sense. In the year or so that i have known you i have never once known you to make sense. It's not a bad thing, i rejoice in absurdity.

GhostyGoo wrote:*catches your A and hands you it back suggesting that in future you take more care with it*

Appy, i like you but...you never make sense. In the year or so that i have known you i have never once known you to make sense. It's not a bad thing, i rejoice in absurdity.

thats pretty much how Palpatine 'corrupts' Anakin, and then he just rolls with it, it's like holding a scientists family hostage to so (s)he will do research, then kill the family,tell the scientist, and then the scientist says 'oh no!....back to the research'

[KMA]Avenger wrote:8, the engineer responsible for the design and building of the death star was called Bevel Lemelisk. The Death Star was the brainchild of Grand Moff Wilhuff Tarkin and Lemelisk was charged with streamlining Tarkin's idea and building the super weapon.

Semper wrote:Not true.. the Death Star was the brain child of the seperatist leaders. It's design according to NON-canon sources was altered by the two mentioned above and Palpatine himself.. amongst numerous others.. but there is no canon information designating WHO actually designed it and who altered it for imperial use. What we do know is that Tarkin, as the grand moff was put in charge of it's development and command when completed.

i'll start my dissection of what you think is true about Star Wars with this one first:

[spoiler]Bevel Lemelisk was an engineer and architect who designed, among other things, six superweapons with the power to destroy a planet: the Death Star prototype, the Death Star, the second Death Star, the Eclipse, the Tarkin, and the Darksaber. Starting his career by working for the Galactic Republic during the Clone Wars, he studied under Nasdra Magrody, and worked alongside such illustrious designers as Doctor Walex Blissex. He aided Blissex in designing the Victory I-class Star Destroyer, which would remain a staple in military flotillas decades after its initial creation. When the Galactic Empire rose to power in 19 BBY, Lemelisk was tasked by Grand Moff Wilhuff Tarkin with the development of the Death Star battlestation, which would have the power to destroy entire worlds.

The development and subsequent construction ensued for years, with Lemelisk working at the Maw Installation alongside designers including Frap Radicon and Umak Leth. When the station was finally completed, it was destroyed by the Alliance to Restore the Republic at the Battle of Yavin. Furious at the fact that the Alliance had been able to locate and exploit a fatal flaw in the design, Emperor Palpatine had Lemelisk executed, and subsequently resurrected in a clone body. Palpatine ordered Lemelisk to design a new Death Star, one that did not possess the same fatal flaw as the original. During development, the Emperor executed and resurrected Lemelisk a further six times.

Though he succeeded in eliminating the original flaw, the Alliance once again destroyed his creation while it was under construction at Endor. Palpatine died his first death there, effectively allowing Lemelisk to avoid yet another execution. After a brief stint designing the Eclipse, news of Palpatine's return reached the architect, prompting him to flee. He found work in the employ of the Hutt crime lord Durga Besadii Tai, who tasked him with the creation of the Darksaber superweapon. Though his designs were more efficient than they had ever been, inferior workmanship and materials doomed Durga's weapon before it had even had a chance to be used. As per Lemelisk's predictions the weapon failed and was destroyed, with Lemelisk himself captured by the New Republic. Four years later, he became one of the few people executed by the Republic for genocide.



Bevel Lemelisk was first mentioned in 1990's Galaxy Guide 5: Return of the Jedi, written by Michael Stern. Galaxy Guide 5 gave minor details about Lemelisk's involvement in the original Death Star project, and more significant ones about his involvement with the Death Star II. Bill Slavicsek's Death Star Technical Companion, released the following year, expanded Lemelisk's role with the original Death Star, and embellished upon his personality. After brief mentions in 1994's Jedi Search and 1995's Children of the Jedi, Lemelisk made his first appearance in Kevin J. Anderson's Darksaber, as a supporting character. The subplot concerning the construction of the Darksaber is mostly told from Lemelisk's perspective, intertwined with multiple flashbacks further fleshing out the architect's work on the original Death Star.

[/spoiler]

by showing the separatists as the designers of the death star-Lucas broke his own cardinal rule which was to keep the Star Wars Time-line intact from 1 format to the next.

and just for the record, the interview was of Lucas in his study showing the original scripts he had worked on and how they developed over many years, not some written half truths in a magazine.

i think that's enough for now


"Your overconfidence is your weakness."
-Luke Skywalker

[KMA]Avenger wrote:

[KMA]Avenger wrote:8, the engineer responsible for the design and building of the death star was called Bevel Lemelisk. The Death Star was the brainchild of Grand Moff Wilhuff Tarkin and Lemelisk was charged with streamlining Tarkin's idea and building the super weapon.

Semper wrote:Not true.. the Death Star was the brain child of the seperatist leaders. It's design according to NON-canon sources was altered by the two mentioned above and Palpatine himself.. amongst numerous others.. but there is no canon information designating WHO actually designed it and who altered it for imperial use. What we do know is that Tarkin, as the grand moff was put in charge of it's development and command when completed.

i'll start my dissection of what you think is true about Star Wars with this one first:

[spoiler]Bevel Lemelisk was an engineer and architect who designed, among other things, six superweapons with the power to destroy a planet: the Death Star prototype, the Death Star, the second Death Star, the Eclipse, the Tarkin, and the Darksaber. Starting his career by working for the Galactic Republic during the Clone Wars, he studied under Nasdra Magrody, and worked alongside such illustrious designers as Doctor Walex Blissex. He aided Blissex in designing the Victory I-class Star Destroyer, which would remain a staple in military flotillas decades after its initial creation. When the Galactic Empire rose to power in 19 BBY, Lemelisk was tasked by Grand Moff Wilhuff Tarkin with the development of the Death Star battlestation, which would have the power to destroy entire worlds.

The development and subsequent construction ensued for years, with Lemelisk working at the Maw Installation alongside designers including Frap Radicon and Umak Leth. When the station was finally completed, it was destroyed by the Alliance to Restore the Republic at the Battle of Yavin. Furious at the fact that the Alliance had been able to locate and exploit a fatal flaw in the design, Emperor Palpatine had Lemelisk executed, and subsequently resurrected in a clone body. Palpatine ordered Lemelisk to design a new Death Star, one that did not possess the same fatal flaw as the original. During development, the Emperor executed and resurrected Lemelisk a further six times.

Though he succeeded in eliminating the original flaw, the Alliance once again destroyed his creation while it was under construction at Endor. Palpatine died his first death there, effectively allowing Lemelisk to avoid yet another execution. After a brief stint designing the Eclipse, news of Palpatine's return reached the architect, prompting him to flee. He found work in the employ of the Hutt crime lord Durga Besadii Tai, who tasked him with the creation of the Darksaber superweapon. Though his designs were more efficient than they had ever been, inferior workmanship and materials doomed Durga's weapon before it had even had a chance to be used. As per Lemelisk's predictions the weapon failed and was destroyed, with Lemelisk himself captured by the New Republic. Four years later, he became one of the few people executed by the Republic for genocide.



Bevel Lemelisk was first mentioned in 1990's Galaxy Guide 5: Return of the Jedi, written by Michael Stern. Galaxy Guide 5 gave minor details about Lemelisk's involvement in the original Death Star project, and more significant ones about his involvement with the Death Star II. Bill Slavicsek's Death Star Technical Companion, released the following year, expanded Lemelisk's role with the original Death Star, and embellished upon his personality. After brief mentions in 1994's Jedi Search and 1995's Children of the Jedi, Lemelisk made his first appearance in Kevin J. Anderson's Darksaber, as a supporting character. The subplot concerning the construction of the Darksaber is mostly told from Lemelisk's perspective, intertwined with multiple flashbacks further fleshing out the architect's work on the original Death Star.

[/spoiler]

by showing the separatists as the designers of the death star-Lucas broke his own cardinal rule which was to keep the Star Wars Time-line intact from 1 format to the next.

and just for the record, the interview was of Lucas in his study showing the original scripts he had worked on and how they developed over many years, not some written half truths in a magazine.

i think that's enough for now


"Your overconfidence is your weakness."
-Luke Skywalker

not Canon.

It was not a half truth.. it was a direct quote..
I remember because I was elated because it throws a big old bucket of water over the 'luke it the greatest' fire all the idiots adhere to today.

Link me to the interview and I will believe you.

i saw it on tv so no way i can link you unless i can find it on the net....but i see you just ignored my dissection of your rebuttal to my number 8 statement lol

Much like everyone here has ignored my outline of the second draft of the original story, likely, although certainly not exclusively, because it absolutely agrees with the entire of the story eps 1-6. Right down to the destruction of peace and tranquility in the universe due to order 6 (or 66 if you've seen RotS).

[KMA]Avenger wrote:i saw it on tv so no way i can link you unless i can find it on the net....but i see you just ignored my dissection of your rebuttal to my number 8 statement lol

there is nothing to ignore. Your sources are non canon ergo irrelevant.

You saw it on tv you say? Well then.. I say it's bollocks and you're remembering it wrong.

I on the other hand, have my magazine directly in front of me as well as probably the best SW general knowledge you'd ever find on a human being save the Lucas man himself.

Semper wrote:

[KMA]Avenger wrote:i saw it on tv so no way i can link you unless i can find it on the net....but i see you just ignored my dissection of your rebuttal to my number 8 statement lol

there is nothing to ignore. Your sources are non canon ergo irrelevant.

I'm being ignored, you BASTARD!

GhostyGoo wrote:

Semper wrote:

[KMA]Avenger wrote:i saw it on tv so no way i can link you unless i can find it on the net....but i see you just ignored my dissection of your rebuttal to my number 8 statement lol

there is nothing to ignore. Your sources are non canon ergo irrelevant.

I'm being ignored, you **Filtered**!

lol.. I thought I had replied to you already Goo.

I think the 2nd draft is very interesting.. and would certainly watch it 9I reckon it something for you, phil and I to do one lazy August afternoon.. lol), but some of the replaced characters would be hard pressed to contend with their counterparts in the chosen version. Darth Vader, quite possibly the most successful media icon of all time, considered a more recognised symbol of evil than the swastika..Lucas hit the nail on the head with the man in black.

At the same time though.. I have to say I loved the idea of the Banking Clans and greedy upper class twits fracturing the empire. Though.. it seriously retracts from Palpatines presence and overall character.

However.. would it not have been cool for Jabba the Hutt or Tyber Zann to have turned out to be the big bad ass villain in the end?

Semper wrote:

[KMA]Avenger wrote:i saw it on tv so no way i can link you unless i can find it on the net....but i see you just ignored my dissection of your rebuttal to my number 8 statement lol

there is nothing to ignore. Your sources are non canon ergo irrelevant.

You saw it on tv you say? Well then.. I say it's bollocks and you're remembering it wrong.

I on the other hand, have my magazine directly in front of me as well as probably the best SW general knowledge you'd ever find on a human being save the Lucas man himself.

LMAO

you assume to much mate



@Goo, sorry mate, i wasn't ignoring you (unlike Semper who just ran away from some hard core evidence, evidence i have been aware of for a VERY long time, and then assumes to know more than me when i am older than he, and have been watching and reading Star Wars ever since 1977 when the film first arrived at the cinemas ....does anyone here remember Lucas pulling Star Wars from many cinemas because of the pre-WW2 speaker systems many of the said cinemas had-which totally killed the audio feast of Star Wars?), i know that the prequels are total violations against Lucas's own golden/cardinal rule of the Star Wars Timeline, thats not fiction, its fact!




btw, does anyone here have this book?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/imag ... 39&s=books




EDIT:

i've managed to find this lot which just proves what i say about there being 9 segments and also backs-up what i heard him say in the interview in his home.

"It wasn't long after I began writing Star Wars that I realized the story was more than a single film could hold. As the saga of the Skywalkers and Jedi Knights unfolded, I began to see it as a tale that could take at last nine films to tell—three trilogies—and I realized, in making my way through the back story and after story, that I was really setting out to write the middle story."

~George Lucas


[spoiler]and this lot here proves that the Star Wars Saga has been re-written with some major changes to the originals...unless my dear Semper and Goo, you are trying to argue that the prequels have never undergone a rewrite since Lucas originally made the drafts for the 3 trilogy's way back when in the early 70's?

After losing much of his fortune in a divorce settlement in 1987, Lucas had no desire to return to Star Wars, and had unofficially cancelled his sequel trilogy by the time of Return of the Jedi. However the prequels, which were quite developed, continued to fascinate him. After Star Wars became popular once again, in the wake of Dark Horse's comic line and Timothy Zahn's trilogy of novels, Lucas saw that there was still a large audience. His children had begun to grow older, and with the explosion of CGI technology he was now considering returning to directing. By 1993 it was announced, in Variety among other sources, that he would be making the prequels. He began outlining the story, now indicating that Anakin Skywalker would be the protagonist rather than Ben Kenobi, and that the series would be a tragic one examining Anakin's transformation to evil. Lucas also began to change how the prequels would exist relative to the originals — at first they were supposed to be a "filling-in" of history, backstory, existing parallel or tangential to the originals, but now he saw that they could form the beginning of one long story that started with Anakin's childhood and ended with his death. This was the final step towards turning the franchise into a "Saga".

In 1994, Lucas began writing the first screenplay titled Episode I: The Beginning. Following the release of that film, Lucas announced that he would also be directing the next two, and began working on Episode II at that time. The first draft of Episode II was completed just weeks before principal photography, and Lucas hired Jonathan Hales, a writer from The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles, to polish it up. Unsure of a title, Lucas had jokingly called the film "Jar Jar's Great Adventure." In writing The Empire Strikes Back, Lucas initially decided that Lando Calrissian was a clone and came from a planet of clones which caused the "Clone Wars" mentioned by Kenobi in A New Hope; he later came up with an alternate concept of an army of clone shocktroopers from a remote planet which attacked the Republic and were repelled by the Jedi knights. The basic elements of that backstory became the plot basis for Episode II, with the new wrinkle added that the entire event was personal manipulation of Palpatine's.

Lucas began working on Episode III even before Attack of the Clones was released, offering concept artists that the film would open with a montage of seven Clone War battles. As he reviewed the storyline that summer, however, he says he radically re-organized the plot. Michael Kaminski, in The Secret History of Star Wars, offers evidence that issues in Anakin's fall to the dark side prompted Lucas to make massive story changes, first revising the opening sequence to have Palpatine kidnapped and Dooku killed by Anakin as the first act in the latter's turn towards the dark side. After principal photography was complete in 2003, Lucas made even more massive changes in Anakin's character, re-writing his entire turn to the dark side — he would now turn primarily in a quest to save Padme from death, rather than the previous version in which that reason was one of several, including that he genuinely believed that the Jedi were evil and plotting to take over the Republic. This fundamental re-write was accomplished both through editing the principal footage, and new and revised scenes filmed during pick-ups in 2004.

Lucas often exaggerated the amount of material he wrote for the series; much of it stemmed from the post–1978 period when the series grew into a phenomenon. Michael Kaminski explained that these exaggerations were both a publicity and security measure. Kaminski rationalized that since the series' story radically changed throughout the years, it was always Lucas' intention to change the original story retroactively because audiences would only view the material from his perspective.[/spoiler]





EDIT 2:

ysalamiri
From the Expanded Universe-Star Wars.com

Sessile tree-dwellers from the obscure planet of Myrkr, the ysalamiri are among the most bizarre creatures of the galaxy. As part of a defensive mechanism that protects them from Force-sensitive pack animals called vornskrs, the ysalamiri have developed the unusual ability to "push back" the Force.

Ysalamiri are small, furry salamander-like creatures no larger than 50 centimeters long. Their long claws grow directly into the cores of the branches they inhabit, drawing nutrients from the mineral-rich trees. It takes special knowledge to successfully remove an ysalamiri from a branch without killing it.

A single ysalamiri creates a bubble in which the Force cannot be manipulated. In groups, the size of the bubble increases. Vast areas in which the Force cannot be used cover Myrkr.

Five years after the Battle of Endor, Grand Admiral Thrawn used ysalamiri in a cunning plan to topple the New Republic. Imperial engineers fashioned a special nutrient frame that allowed ysalamiri to be transported and kept alive once removed from the trees.

Thrawn used the ysalamiri in order to secure the allegiance of Dark Jedi Joruus C'baoth. With ysalamiri in place, Thrawn would have a distinct advantage over Force-sensitives like C'baoth, Luke Skywalker and Leia Organa Solo. Thrawn also discovered that strategically placed ysalamiri employed in Spaarti-based cloning chambers eliminated the clone madness caused by the disruption of identical Force patterns inherent in Spaarti clones. By using ysalamiri in his vast cloning facility in Mount Tantiss on Wayland, Thrawn was able to grow adult clones in a fraction of the recommended time.



thank you, thank you *takes a bow*

[KMA]Avenger wrote:

Semper wrote:

[KMA]Avenger wrote:i saw it on tv so no way i can link you unless i can find it on the net....but i see you just ignored my dissection of your rebuttal to my number 8 statement lol

there is nothing to ignore. Your sources are non canon ergo irrelevant.

You saw it on tv you say? Well then.. I say it's bollocks and you're remembering it wrong.

I on the other hand, have my magazine directly in front of me as well as probably the best SW general knowledge you'd ever find on a human being save the Lucas man himself.

LMAO

you assume to much mate



@Goo, sorry mate, i wasn't ignoring you (unlike Semper who just ran away from some hard core evidence, evidence i have been aware of for a VERY long time, and then assumes to know more than me when i am older than he, and have been watching and reading Star Wars ever since 1977 when the film first arrived at the cinemas ....does anyone here remember Lucas pulling Star Wars from many cinemas because of the pre-WW2 speaker systems many of the said cinemas had-which totally killed the audio feast of Star Wars?), i know that the prequels are total violations against Lucas's own golden/cardinal rule of the Star Wars Timeline, thats not fiction, its fact!




btw, does anyone here have this book?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/imag ... 39&s=books




EDIT:

i've managed to find this lot which just proves what i say about there being 9 segments and also backs-up what i heard him say in the interview in his home.

"It wasn't long after I began writing Star Wars that I realized the story was more than a single film could hold. As the saga of the Skywalkers and Jedi Knights unfolded, I began to see it as a tale that could take at last nine films to tell—three trilogies—and I realized, in making my way through the back story and after story, that I was really setting out to write the middle story."

~George Lucas


[spoiler]and this lot here proves that the Star Wars Saga has been re-written with some major changes to the originals...unless my dear Semper and Goo, you are trying to argue that the prequels have never undergone a rewrite since Lucas originally made the drafts for the 3 trilogy's way back when in the early 70's?

After losing much of his fortune in a divorce settlement in 1987, Lucas had no desire to return to Star Wars, and had unofficially cancelled his sequel trilogy by the time of Return of the Jedi. However the prequels, which were quite developed, continued to fascinate him. After Star Wars became popular once again, in the wake of Dark Horse's comic line and Timothy Zahn's trilogy of novels, Lucas saw that there was still a large audience. His children had begun to grow older, and with the explosion of CGI technology he was now considering returning to directing. By 1993 it was announced, in Variety among other sources, that he would be making the prequels. He began outlining the story, now indicating that Anakin Skywalker would be the protagonist rather than Ben Kenobi, and that the series would be a tragic one examining Anakin's transformation to evil. Lucas also began to change how the prequels would exist relative to the originals — at first they were supposed to be a "filling-in" of history, backstory, existing parallel or tangential to the originals, but now he saw that they could form the beginning of one long story that started with Anakin's childhood and ended with his death. This was the final step towards turning the franchise into a "Saga".

In 1994, Lucas began writing the first screenplay titled Episode I: The Beginning. Following the release of that film, Lucas announced that he would also be directing the next two, and began working on Episode II at that time. The first draft of Episode II was completed just weeks before principal photography, and Lucas hired Jonathan Hales, a writer from The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles, to polish it up. Unsure of a title, Lucas had jokingly called the film "Jar Jar's Great Adventure." In writing The Empire Strikes Back, Lucas initially decided that Lando Calrissian was a clone and came from a planet of clones which caused the "Clone Wars" mentioned by Kenobi in A New Hope; he later came up with an alternate concept of an army of clone shocktroopers from a remote planet which attacked the Republic and were repelled by the Jedi knights. The basic elements of that backstory became the plot basis for Episode II, with the new wrinkle added that the entire event was personal manipulation of Palpatine's.

Lucas began working on Episode III even before Attack of the Clones was released, offering concept artists that the film would open with a montage of seven Clone War battles. As he reviewed the storyline that summer, however, he says he radically re-organized the plot. Michael Kaminski, in The Secret History of Star Wars, offers evidence that issues in Anakin's fall to the dark side prompted Lucas to make massive story changes, first revising the opening sequence to have Palpatine kidnapped and Dooku killed by Anakin as the first act in the latter's turn towards the dark side. After principal photography was complete in 2003, Lucas made even more massive changes in Anakin's character, re-writing his entire turn to the dark side — he would now turn primarily in a quest to save Padme from death, rather than the previous version in which that reason was one of several, including that he genuinely believed that the Jedi were evil and plotting to take over the Republic. This fundamental re-write was accomplished both through editing the principal footage, and new and revised scenes filmed during pick-ups in 2004.

Lucas often exaggerated the amount of material he wrote for the series; much of it stemmed from the post–1978 period when the series grew into a phenomenon. Michael Kaminski explained that these exaggerations were both a publicity and security measure. Kaminski rationalized that since the series' story radically changed throughout the years, it was always Lucas' intention to change the original story retroactively because audiences would only view the material from his perspective.[/spoiler]





EDIT 2:

ysalamiri
From the Expanded Universe-Star Wars.com

Sessile tree-dwellers from the obscure planet of Myrkr, the ysalamiri are among the most bizarre creatures of the galaxy. As part of a defensive mechanism that protects them from Force-sensitive pack animals called vornskrs, the ysalamiri have developed the unusual ability to "push back" the Force.

Ysalamiri are small, furry salamander-like creatures no larger than 50 centimeters long. Their long claws grow directly into the cores of the branches they inhabit, drawing nutrients from the mineral-rich trees. It takes special knowledge to successfully remove an ysalamiri from a branch without killing it.

A single ysalamiri creates a bubble in which the Force cannot be manipulated. In groups, the size of the bubble increases. Vast areas in which the Force cannot be used cover Myrkr.

Five years after the Battle of Endor, Grand Admiral Thrawn used ysalamiri in a cunning plan to topple the New Republic. Imperial engineers fashioned a special nutrient frame that allowed ysalamiri to be transported and kept alive once removed from the trees.

Thrawn used the ysalamiri in order to secure the allegiance of Dark Jedi Joruus C'baoth. With ysalamiri in place, Thrawn would have a distinct advantage over Force-sensitives like C'baoth, Luke Skywalker and Leia Organa Solo. Thrawn also discovered that strategically placed ysalamiri employed in Spaarti-based cloning chambers eliminated the clone madness caused by the disruption of identical Force patterns inherent in Spaarti clones. By using ysalamiri in his vast cloning facility in Mount Tantiss on Wayland, Thrawn was able to grow adult clones in a fraction of the recommended time.



thank you, thank you *takes a bow*

lol.. it's not hardcore evidence. You're using books.. and comics and the likes.. that are NOT canon. So it's not evidence. I have already directed you to your only sources of canon material, information from a source as resent as within the last 12 months.

I know about all the crudd people have written about I regularly when I have a few spare minutes on the internet go and browse the Star Wars data bank and wookiepedia... but I assure you.. we only have very little actual sources of canon.

I am writing Yoda's origin story.. so does that make it usable as a source for information on yoda now? Hardly.. what if it were published? Again.. nope.

I don't deny that Lucas may have changed some things.. hell I have written two books and am currently writing my third and fourth.. and I know from my own experience you always change things and go back and edit... but edits.. are edits, not sources or inconsistencies.

For someone who professes to enjoy Star Wars so much.. you sure as hell are missing some of the big plot lines and sub plots.

You cannot use fan based sources to discredit the films or the canon games/tv series. Half of the things you suggested, no more in fact are from such sources.

On top of that...I will never.. and refuse to believe that Lucas sat in a chair and said Palpatine did what he did, that order 66 was a product of mad clones.. that's absolutely outrageous.. not to mention goes against everything he did in his films and games.

What you're saying.. is.. for want of a better phrase. Utter nonsense.

Semps, i already told you from the outset that Lucas himself Sanctioned the books and other formats as being accurate by making anyone wanting to write a book, comic or even make a video game-adhere to his AUTHORISED and SANCTIONED timeline...

i have also found the interview i was referring to, and it can be found in this VHS special edition tin which i have 2 sets of, but alas my VHS gave up the ghost about 4 years ago and i never bothered buying another: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Limited-Star-Wa ... B000QVT2PM

Semper wrote:you always change things and go back and edit... but edits.. are edits, not sources or inconsistencies.

My sentiments entirely. If you don't like the prequels, don't watch them. I haven't heard you give one single solitary sound reason for not liking them other than your favourite word - inconsistency. The prequels are not inconsistent at all and, if you read the second draft of The Adventures of The Starkiller, you will find that they are, ipso facto.

The inconsistencies you are using to excuse your hatred of the way he decided to handle the prequels are not inconsistencies at all, they are (as Semper points out to you several times) edits, refinements. They are entirely integral to the story building process. There is nothing wrong, in my mind, with the way he handled the prequels - he had a right to do it any damn wayu he pleased. Why not write George a letter of complaint and see how he feels about it? You never know, he might even agree with you and pay you a huge sum of money to work on the Thrawn Trilogy's Canonistical Consistency department. You can have a big chair with something fitting written on the back.



Yes, i do remember Lucas complaining that his film was being heard on bashed out old speakers heh. The lasers were not quite "stabby" sounding enough.