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Re: Ombudsman Elections?

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 5:18 am
by Jack
I thought you were saying it was a bad idea. :?

Re: Ombudsman Elections?

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 6:58 am
by Jack
If it worked, it'd be a great way to do it. But people would be able to recognize their own work then tell their friends to vote for it.

Re: Ombudsman Elections?

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 7:18 am
by Jack
But you would also risk the changing of their application in an unacceptable manner and inadvertently misrepresenting the nominee.

Re: Ombudsman Elections?

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 7:21 am
by Q Man
its a brilliant idea, but people would want to know who they are voting for, say i fill my application with loads of rubbish and it sounds good, people might vote for me and then i could be rubbish, i'd like to know the personality of the person? and if all of this worked people would complain afterwards and claim it was still somehow fixed!

its probably the best idea and i'm not putting it down but its not foolproof either!

nothing ever is... :roll:

Re: Ombudsman Elections?

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 8:12 am
by Colton
SuperSaiyan wrote:I have an idea but it would take a whol lot of work to do, and it might even not work in the end

you could make it anonymous, although that'd hard to accomplish

1st step: all nominees (must be self-nominated) would submit an app with their reasons for why they should be picked, etc. via PM to the admins

2nd step: the admins reword everything in each app so that its not able to be traced back to the individual submitting through speeach and such

3rd step: admins post each nominees application, and allow community to vote

granted this probobly wouldn't work, but maybe someone has a way to help this idea along?

its just a though :P

I already thought of that :?
Jack wrote:But people would be able to recognize their own work then tell their friends to vote for it.
And that's why I didn't bother posting it :lol:

Re: Ombudsman Elections?

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 9:42 am
by Colton
SuperSaiyan wrote:then why with the confused face? :lol:
To be honest, I think of it as a permutation of :|

:wink:

Re: Ombudsman Elections?

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 10:23 am
by DaDigi
*crying*

I hate politics...

:(

Re: Ombudsman Elections?

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 12:33 pm
by FreeSpirit
Supersaiyan your idea is good just not for these forums. Imagine somone would write an application but doesnt get enough votes. He/she will probly claim the application was rewritten or false. In my eyes its a too risky road to walk.

Re: Ombudsman Elections?

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 12:44 pm
by Q Man
hhm, good point!

if it wasn't for this server war, things would be alot easier! :P

why can't we just all agree for once!

i doubt we'll all agree on a way to vote, never mind on the voting itself!

Re: Ombudsman Elections?

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 12:58 pm
by FreeSpirit
Q MAN wrote:hhm, good point!

if it wasn't for this server war, things would be alot easier! :P

why can't we just all agree for once!

i doubt we'll all agree on a way to vote, never mind on the voting itself!


Its not the server war alone. Its the "trend" that has been going for he last 2 years in these forums.

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I rest my case :)

Re: Ombudsman Elections?

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 9:21 pm
by semper
community members in excess of 1000 post's nominate three users. The top three nominated users go to the admins who make the final decision. The understudy cannot be in the same alliance or empire as the main dude.

Re: Ombudsman Elections?

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 9:23 pm
by Empy
Semper wrote:community members in excess of 1000 post's nominate three users. The top three nominated users go to the admins who make the final decision. The understudy cannot be in the same alliance or empire as the main dude.
Too much power in the hands of the Admins in my opinion, the Ombudsman is a post FOR the people/regular users so the most power should be in their hands.

Re: Ombudsman Elections?

Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 5:05 pm
by semper
Mormegil wrote:
Semper wrote:community members in excess of 1000 post's nominate three users. The top three nominated users go to the admins who make the final decision. The understudy cannot be in the same alliance or empire as the main dude.
Too much power in the hands of the Admins in my opinion, the Ombudsman is a post FOR the people/regular users so the most power should be in their hands.


"a government appointee who investigates complaints by private persons against the government"

1. A man who investigates complaints and mediates fair settlements, especially between aggrieved parties such as consumers or students and an institution or organization.
2. A government official, especially in Scandinavian countries, who investigates citizens' complaints against the government or its functionaries.

- oxford dictionary of politics.

Assuming in this situation the Mods/Admins would be our 'government' regarding the forums by definition they should be the ones to appoint the Ombudsmen to act for them. The Ombudsmen has no power.. other than to make the citizen - ie the average forum user - think they're investigating their case and to mitigate any punishments. They are there to basically give a punished forum user a place to go have a moan, get their defence out in the open and then make a judgement to see if they're willing to help said user. If this is the case.. they will present the case to the mods and admins and try and persuade them that it was wrong.

The Ombudsman cannot demand or have anything changed at a whim. They're just a private investigator working to keep the admin's inbox's clean and tidy of complaints.

It requires favour and respect FROM the admins. it's an integral part of the role. The Ombudsman role is not meant to be the revolutionist that kicks the admins.. it's simply meant to be like a call centre for complaints.

Re: Ombudsman Elections?

Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 7:34 pm
by Sammael
best plan is you get a group of people who would like to be the understudy or wot ever get them to write soemthing up like a campain would do the a forum admin or mod or ombudsman post them up then the communaity votes for the best writen statement then they wont know who is who.

Re: Ombudsman Elections?

Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 7:52 pm
by Colton
sammael wrote:best plan is you get a group of people who would like to be the understudy or wot ever get them to write soemthing up like a campain would do the a forum admin or mod or ombudsman post them up then the communaity votes for the best writen statement then they wont know who is who.
I think we already shot that idea down a page ago :|[spoiler]
Colton wrote:
SuperSaiyan wrote:I have an idea but it would take a whol lot of work to do, and it might even not work in the end

you could make it anonymous, although that'd hard to accomplish

1st step: all nominees (must be self-nominated) would submit an app with their reasons for why they should be picked, etc. via PM to the admins

2nd step: the admins reword everything in each app so that its not able to be traced back to the individual submitting through speeach and such

3rd step: admins post each nominees application, and allow community to vote

granted this probobly wouldn't work, but maybe someone has a way to help this idea along?

its just a though :P

I already thought of that :?
Jack wrote:But people would be able to recognize their own work then tell their friends to vote for it.
And that's why I didn't bother posting it :lol:
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