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the point however is that they are not dissimilar because they all fall into the category of "great reformers" and they all started off in much the same way given a chance by a naive public that they then took advantage of

Sorry but this thread is very crazy. As respectful as possible, KMA Avenger has a few issues.

"I've said before, Obama is no good"

I interpret that as "I have a preexisting bias against Obama"

He says

"Obama is a puppet"

Where's the proof? The man ran for political office, who would use him as a puppet?


But it all comes down to this:
It's
Too
Early
To
Judge.

I'm independent, but I don't like it when people try to build a case 3 years before the next presidential election.

EDIT: Angonch, if I'm in that group of naive public, you better be too unless you can say EXACTLY what's going to happen, and the only winner of this argument will be the person left typing 3 years from now.

I'm done with this topic, there's nothing for me to prove. Everyone knows that internet political debates turn into the same group of people complimenting each other OR useless arguments presented without fact. Have fun.

Earendil wrote:Jo, you're getting at the fact that although people, a country rests it's hopes on one man, a 'great reformer' There have been several times when their hopes have turned into a nightmare for many others, often including themselves?

Exactly.

EdwardThatch wrote:It's not logical to say that 10 years=/= less than 1 year? I'm a prelaw student and I'm incredibly logical.

.. Oh, then you must be right. Sorry I dared to doubt you! I must yield the floor to my highly advanced colleague. *bows down to the floor*

EdwardThatch wrote:Comparing dissimilar people and then getting emotional when proven wrong is not logical.

The fact that you didn't get it doesn't mean you proved me wrong, just makes it all the more urgent for you to work on better understanding comparisons. I was not comparing the people, I was comparing the mass hype around their person, mister student. I had higher expectations from a prelaw student, actually. Guess that is why you're still a 'pre-' and not 'law student'? In time, you will be able to play in the big league too. For now, the lesson is not to throw around your basic education while being presumptuous. It reflects poorly on the reputation you should be working on. Better yet, find yourself some psychological help to get rid of that attitude.. it certainly won't hurt you.

EdwardThatch wrote:Sorry but this thread is very crazy. As respectful as possible, KMA Avenger has a few issues.

"I've said before, Obama is no good"

I interpret that as "I have a preexisting bias against Obama"

He says

"Obama is a puppet"

Where's the proof? The man ran for political office, who would use him as a puppet?


But it all comes down to this:
It's
Too
Early
To
Judge.

I'm independent, but I don't like it when people try to build a case 3 years before the next presidential election.

i am telling you from experience and from historical facts, that Obama does not offer change.

when Tony Blair was swept to power it was with the slogan "New Labour", i told my father in-law (who is so far left he is off the bench. in his opinion, if you are working class you vote left...PERIOD!) the first time i saw TB that he was no good (this is well before i got in to the NWO and who runs the world) and would not offer any change...and i was proved right...


think what you want of me, but i bet my backside (no jokes please) OBAMA WILL BE NO GOOD...wWHAT AM I TALKING ABOUT?!?! a blind man can see he is no good by his deeds to date!

he said he would pull out the troops from the start, guess what?! he didn't/hasn't, nor has any intentions to pull out the troops.
he wouldn't hire lobbyists...HIS ADMINISTRATION IS FULL OF THEM!
he wasn't going to raise taxes...go find out if he will or not and come and tell me i am wrong!

and the list of lies goes on and on!

EdwardThatch wrote:I'm done with this topic, there's nothing for me to prove. Everyone knows that internet political debates turn into the same group of people complimenting each other OR useless arguments presented without fact. Have fun.

OH! don't go

EdwardThatch wrote:I'm done with this topic, there's nothing for me to prove. Everyone knows that internet political debates turn into the same group of people complimenting each other OR useless arguments presented without fact. Have fun.

That very rarely ever happens on this boards as most are mature enough to discuss things. Of course that doesnt mean you dont have to fight for your point. Keep hammering at it if you think your right, counter each point made and use good arguments with evidence to back them up.

Keep at it, if you give up all your doing is letting others 'win' in that they have harried you from the topic and the board

I anticipate another eloquent reply by our resident prelaw student, despite his earlier declaration of his intent to leave. Such declarations are hardly ever true.

Kit-Fox wrote:

EdwardThatch wrote:I'm done with this topic, there's nothing for me to prove. Everyone knows that internet political debates turn into the same group of people complimenting each other OR useless arguments presented without fact. Have fun.

That very rarely ever happens on this boards as most are mature enough to discuss things. Of course that doesnt mean you dont have to fight for your point. Keep hammering at it if you think your right, counter each point made and use good arguments with evidence to back them up.

Keep at it, if you give up all your doing is letting others 'win' in that they have harried you from the topic and the board

couldn't agree more

EdwardThatch wrote:Sorry but this thread is very crazy. As respectful as possible, KMA Avenger has a few issues.

"I've said before, Obama is no good"

I interpret that as "I have a preexisting bias against Obama"

He says

"Obama is a puppet"

Where's the proof? The man ran for political office, who would use him as a puppet?


But it all comes down to this:
It's
Too
Early
To
Judge.

I'm independent, but I don't like it when people try to build a case 3 years before the next presidential election.

EDIT: Angonch, if I'm in that group of naive public, you better be too unless you can say EXACTLY what's going to happen, and the only winner of this argument will be the person left typing 3 years from now.

I'm done with this topic, there's nothing for me to prove. Everyone knows that internet political debates turn into the same group of people complimenting each other OR useless arguments presented without fact. Have fun.

first of please spell my name correctly it really isnt that difficult I mean really you are a pre-law student but you can't show enough respect to spell my name properly, for shame

second the naive public I am referring to are people that refuse to investigate and study on their own to truly understand what is happening throughout the world or their own country for that matter so no I do not count myself as one of the naive public I am not one of the masses I am an individual who actually cares enough to research and draw my own opinions from what I learn

hmmm im starting to sound like Avenger on some fronts......dammit KMA you are rubbing off on me or maybe im just opening my eyes to somethings although I do not believe half of the things you fear I do understand them XD

Universe wrote:rofl.. you lot are seriously going to make the same mistake you did with Pinochet, Saddam and Hitler?
"Ah, don't be so harsh. We can't judge them based on a few words, a few weeks.. give them a few years, *then* we'll see again."




*likes controversial comparisons*

You do realize that all of those men had supremely awesome mustaches (except hitler, but he still had A mustache) and that Obama is clean shaven. You have no eyes woman.

CRASSUS wrote:

Universe wrote:rofl.. you lot are seriously going to make the same mistake you did with Pinochet, Saddam and Hitler?
"Ah, don't be so harsh. We can't judge them based on a few words, a few weeks.. give them a few years, *then* we'll see again."




*likes controversial comparisons*

You do realize that all of those men had supremely awesome mustaches (except hitler, but he still had A mustache) and that Obama is clean shaven. You have no eyes woman.

I knew I missed a pivotal element in their respective successes.

the smaller the mustache the worse they are

what about beards though?

CRASSUS wrote:what about beards though?

Beards are for the wise.
Like Fidel. He combined it with no moustache for a while, which.. didn't always mix well.




*grin* Moustaches are SO important. I am still facepalming myself for missing it.

[KMA]Avenger wrote:well, the man made a host of promises about pulling out the troops from day one, no new taxes, and a whole host of other promises, he's kept none of his promises and now wants to hand TOTAL power to the federal reserve board, nationalize healthcare (great for the UK, not so great for the US), federalize ALL water, including rain puddles with the clean water restoration bill, bring in carbon taxes with the green bills going through right now and a score of other bills directed and destroying the 2nd amendment.

lol rofl OMFrakingG


You have no damm idea about this. lol


Let me fraking tell you something, all of the much smaller FOBs in and around Baghdad have closed as of 1 July 2009. Also on 1 July 2009 all US non-important troops (I.E. Detaining Ops) are not being deployed no more, also on 1 July 2009 all forces in Iraq other than the Iraqi Police and Iraqi Army are now guests of Iraq.


Also effective 2011, all US forces(along with the brits and other countries) will be out of Iraq all together.



Now KMA, please dont reply with.....well I heard this and this and that and heres a link to this one site saying well this is what going to happen or a link to youtube or googlevideo that people filmed their self saying well were not leaving until the year 5034(You know what I mean...we will be in here forever). I am here in Iraq and this stuff comes straight from the top....way way way way above a company level.


So if you want to talk more about, feel free cause I win you lose, just cause the media dont say it, dont mean it anit happening. All this stuff in the news( last month) saying the troops are coming home is **Filtered**, all we did was giving control of Iraq back to the Iraqi Government. And now we are guests of Iraq (like I said earlier).


As for the 2nd amendment, we need a ton of control on weapons its becoming to damm easy for someone to get a weapon nowadays.

Angnoch wrote:the point however is that they are not dissimilar because they all fall into the category of "great reformers" and they all started off in much the same way given a chance by a naive public that they then took advantage of

So this means that United States voters are, as a majority, naive?

Who is the bigger idiot: the idiot that won, or the idiot that couldn't beat him?