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[KMA]Avenger wrote:

Brdavs wrote:Personally I support it because I`m of belief that national states are one of the biggest blunders of history of humanity that have brought little but suffering. That and the fact that the newley forming multipolar world could use with a coherent counterpart to the lunacy of russia china & the US. For all its flaws, the EU is not seen in the world as a beacon of something more without reason.

The prommise of a integration of nations that were once bitter enemies but are now united in a common pursuit of greater prosperity, equality & justice regardless of national origins gives me hope for our race.
(layed it on too thick at the end? )

there are so many flaws in the above i seriously don't know where to start!

maybe i should ask which "bitter enemies?" you are referring to, or maybe ask "whose promise?".

you guys fail to see the puppet master and only see the puppet and his tricks...

[spoiler]i'm 100% positive Jim will agree with that load of crap![/spoiler]


madness!!!

You guessed right about me!

do you get the point Erasmus made?

can I have the Readers Digest version on WTH the Lisbonn Constitution is..

[KMA]Avenger wrote:do you get the point Erasmus made?

A - Which one?
B - Erasmus was living in XVIth century if I'm not mistaken, things changed quite much since then!

Edit: I didn't read the edit.

temptress wrote:can I have the Readers Digest version on WTH the Lisbonn Constitution is..

It's the Constitution of European Union.
Objectively talking, that is.

temptress wrote:can I have the Readers Digest version on WTH the Lisbonn Constitution is..

i can go 1 better for you and tell you EXACTLY what it is...


A GREAT BIG PILE OF STINKING $HIT!

Apophis The Great wrote:

[KMA]Avenger wrote:do you get the point Erasmus made?

A - Which one?
B - Erasmus was living in XVIth century if I'm not mistaken,

In regione caecorum rex est luscus.

translation of the above: In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

Desiderius Erasmus, Adagia

Apophis The Great wrote:things changed quite much since then!

socially, nothing has changed, you STILL have the rich and you still have the poor...what's changed???

Meh. I wished this topic would be different than regular topics here. (given I asked what people had against or in favour of this treaty). Especially on "against" point of views.
Copy pasting of some site with minor edits to make it look it could apply for all countries of EU, and the usual exagerative "open your eyes" speech concerning blind people who don't see what they should see.
That's the usual kind of stuff in this section.

Put simply Pops the people, not the govs of the nations that make up the EU are unhnappy with power been subverted

The people have no say in any of the offices of the EU, ie it is wholy & totally undemocratic & against the very principles of all the nations involved.

Not to mention that your 'europe of nations' which you hate so much have by far too much history between each other to come together, its only to be expected when we've fought each other for hundreds of years.

i ask myself every time what it will take for people to open their fracking eyes?!

will you open your eyes when they crash the dollar and kill most of the worlds economy?

will you open your eyes when your dying from the crap they put in the vaccine you took just so you wouldn't catch the pig flu THEY CREATED?!

or will you open your eyes when you see someone in black riot police gear kicking in your door and dragging you away?

what will it take for people to wake the hell up and take back their money from PRIVATE BANKERS who are bleeding them dry?

will you ever wake the hell up???

Kit-Fox wrote:Not to mention that your 'europe of nations' which you hate so much have by far too much history between each other to come together, its only to be expected when we've fought each other for hundreds of years.

That only confirms that Europe of Nation[alism]s was an EPIC FAIL. "Oh I'm greater than you"! "No I'm greater than you, our history is best! We have more colonies!" "No we are the best because we are arians!" "We are descending from romans we are the best race!". Yawn at all that crap that has been going on before WW2..
History used in political ways to strenghten nationalisms have screwed up things majorly in XIXth century.

Apophis The Great wrote:

Kit-Fox wrote:Not to mention that your 'europe of nations' which you hate so much have by far too much history between each other to come together, its only to be expected when we've fought each other for hundreds of years.

That only confirms that Europe of Nation[alism]s was an EPIC FAIL. "Oh I'm greater than you"! "No I'm greater than you, our history is best! We have more colonies!" "No we are the best because we are arians!" "We are descending from romans we are the best race!". Yawn at all that crap that has been going on before WW2..

dude its still going on ffs! just in different forms. Seriously how can you not notice that?

And btw the marshall plan you so love to make a big thing out of was create to cripple european nations so that their power would be nothing compared to the US, so I wouldnt make such a big thing of that if i were you

Kit-Fox wrote:

Apophis The Great wrote:

Kit-Fox wrote:Not to mention that your 'europe of nations' which you hate so much have by far too much history between each other to come together, its only to be expected when we've fought each other for hundreds of years.

That only confirms that Europe of Nation[alism]s was an EPIC FAIL. "Oh I'm greater than you"! "No I'm greater than you, our history is best! We have more colonies!" "No we are the best because we are arians!" "We are descending from romans we are the best race!". Yawn at all that crap that has been going on before WW2..

dude its still going on ffs! just in different forms. Seriously how can you not notice that?

And btw the marshall plan you so love to make a big thing out of was create to cripple european nations so that their power would be nothing compared to the US, so I wouldnt make such a big thing of that if i were you

I never said I didn't notice that! That's why I have my position. All those nationalist parties being far right winged, wishing to get away from EU just to get back to independant state for the glory of nation and hate of the other, by carrying on the retarded hundred years old, nowadays unfounded rivalries. Silly guys, their country will be forgotten with time anyway, so their seek of glory for nation will be slapped down and hard will be the day they will face it! Isolated and minimised because nowadays, it's not anymore Europe and east Asia in the game, alone, anymore!

its not the fringe parties or right-wing parties like say the BNP carrying it on. Its the mainstream parties like the uks lab/con carrying it on!

EDIT: I notince you ignored the marshall plan comment, what wrong? realising you've been had?

Avenger I dont get you.

We have capitalism. In capitalism the wholders of capital yield power. Those include bankers.

Supra national integrations are largly irrelevant to your ranting. We allready live in a globalized capitalistic world, your NWO allready exists in that sense.

Now if you want to bring socialism back I`m behind you (most of the way). But as long as we dont "evolve" to something better than capitalism, then that POS is what we have.






And how the hell is swapping the dollar with something else and expanding EU or G20 a further bad thing? Its taking power away from one nation if you will, atleast as far as the dollar is concerned.

You cry "OMG NWO" when others are getting involved, where the fack were you these past 20 years when one world order was in charge through the sole superpower?

Jeusu christ how havent you commited suicide allready? You`re preaching armageddon when we`ve allready been in hell for decades. Well those of us not in the US lol.

Kit-Fox wrote:its not the fringe parties or right-wing parties like say the BNP carrying it on. Its the mainstream parties like the uks lab/con carrying it on!

EDIT: I notince you ignored the marshall plan comment, what wrong? realising you've been had?

Nope, because this topic is about Lisbonn Constitution and I dont want it to get off topic like other topics in debate section, talking about everything and nothing but the subject. Just look at other topics. I used Marshall plan as a "time limit" anyway.

Kit-Fox wrote:And btw the marshall plan you so love to make a big thing out of was create to cripple european nations so that their power would be nothing compared to the US

the US is being set-up for a HUMONGOUS and EPIC fall. they pumping out money from the treasury and monetising the debt like there is no tomorrow, and when the dollar is dumped as the worlds reserve and oil currency what's going to be left? the US has a MASSIVE global empire, how will they keep it propped up?

historically, the elites are the ones who built up ALL the empires and what every empire has in common is the fact another empire has been waiting in the wings for the previous empire to collapse. it happened with Samaria and Babylon. Babylon and Egypt. with Egypt and Persia. with Persia and Greece. with Greece and The Roman...so on and so forth through out history they have used the same formula, and its happening again with the US. the US is being set-up for a fall...wait and see!

Brdavs wrote:And how the hell is swapping the dollar with something else and expanding EU or G20 a further bad thing? Its taking power away from one nation if you will, at least as far as the dollar is concerned.

this is your problem right here. you fail to understand that ANY organisation that is made to consolidate power is draining power from the people who are the REAL source of power in the world...

wouldn't you agree that the masses are the real source of power or are you going to tell me that WE the people who gave them the authority to do the things they do are powerless?

understand that building bigger and bigger bureaucracy's does NOT solve ANY problem on this planet!