Oh Newbie!
lore wrote:You are making the same mistake as the people I am addressing. Your painting ever single person who has put a dollar in this game as 1. Weather they bought a 20$ SS 1 time 4 yrs ago, or if they have spent 5K$ in the last month. Thats BS, and thats my point. My defense is not "weak at best" and sadly for you it is more valid now then it was 4 yrs ago.
not at all. I rightly said towards the end of my first point.. there is a massive difference between the one off SS and spending copious amounts of naq. It's not BS though... you say that (and I am yet to read further down) without even touching upon the other points I made. You ignore so much...at this point and that's why your argument is terribly weak.
lore wrote:What was actually the best thing jason did was run with no SS for some time, then later in the game introduced it. He also left a way for anyone to get the same benifits (Ascended). This to me is the core of why SGW ingulfed and surpassed so many other games. As for origins, you are 100% correct. bringing in SS so close to release was nothing but pure greed on Jasons part, just like duel planets on main. Look what happened in both cases. He doent take care of the players, nor the problems and hes suffering for it now.
Glad we can agree on that. In main though SS should have, and still should be massive limited on a $$ level. At this point in your post, you're still to make a relevant point to defend it.
lore wrote:I have spent a good chunk of $$ in SGW, and I have made about the same. For me it was investments. I had a crap unascended account and trying to stand against LG+1's and getting waxed at every turn. So I bought Budakajana's account. A player who had been around from the beginning, and had made some cash commitments to jason ingame. He just wanted to make some of his cash back. In 3 months I was back even as I sold resources till I had my $$ back. Then I bought legolas's account, and was back even within a week. Why should players leaving lose 2 or 3 or 4 yrs of work? and all the monitary support they have given?
They shouldn't have spent so much money in the first place to get all these advantages because it retracts from the worth of that 2-3 years. Why should legolas and everyone else work their asses off (or in that case, NOT do so) and just see some newbie buy an ace $$ built account that nullifies that effort? Why don't we ALL just buy ourselves to the top and make jason a millionaire? Will you be so quick to sit there and say "well we kept the game going!" then? That's the point. For better or worse this game WILL end.. and no matter what any of you do... you will lose the money you put into it.. unless you've sold things off to make it back to the next fool with cash in hand.
You may get enjoyment out of it.. but in the process you've robbed others of the full authority of their achievement's with your lazy attitude. You can do it.. but all these arguments defending it and trying to justify it beyond it being utter laziness and cheating are just ridiculous.
On top of that.. their work.. their 2-3 years.. why should someone else have claim to that achievement? It, quite obviously so, bestows incorrect grandeur on certain individuals for goals that they did not reach justly.
lore wrote:I dont make money from SGW, and until recently I always sold to support the game with SS and such. Now that has stopped and i sell SGW stuff to support other games with an active and caring Admin.
Lore. This self righteous attitude does not wash with me mate. There is no non morally ambiguous reasonable reason to justify such a level of $$ moving surrounding a free online game.
As I said before the continued increase of flux of players would have brought in a fair amount of one off buys of SS to start trading (all that's EVER needed) on top of that Jason does plenty of advertising and he has more than one game. It will have ALL generated more than enough to support these things without someone having to spend such a copious amount of $$. If you're intelligent to work all this out.. you can go the few extra steps to see that. You, like everyone else who would stand up and say 'i've spent such and such' have crossed the line between doing your tiny bit to support the game and just blatant cheating. The difference between yourself and say Qacol or JT atm.. is the fact they're not here trying to justify it with nonsense, at least not anymore.
lore wrote:Yet the average narrow minded veiw here is all $$ players are the same, and thats complete and total BS.
On the contrary they're not the same. As you've very graciously proven some believe their own BS personal justification for reaching in their pocket to make that 400mill account get ever so closer.
lore wrote:Point Blank Plain and Simple, no matter if your willing to accept it or not is a 100% true fact. Without people putting $$ in a free game it does not exist.
lol. Well duh...
but that does not mean it has to be you. That also does not mean it has to be over the one $25.
How about we throw another few examples out there... erm... is it right for sport's professionals to use steroids during a sporting competition? Should I continually eat fruit to the point of bloating because a little bit of it is good for me? My friend is on drugs, they need a fix, should I give them money or drugs to feed that addition? I mean.. it's keeping them relaxed and helping them right? My kid needs a lot of food. he'll die without food...but he's over weight.. I should keep giving him the food he likes.. I get love and attention from it.
All general facts.. some not directly applying to me... but I applied your thinking to all the situations. I assume you agree with the implied answers to them all. Or not?
lore wrote:Now if you want to do the right thing, and seperate "supporters" from "excessive" money players thats fine, but until you find a thinner brush and stop painting everyone the same you are wrong. All of you are.
I think not. You have committed one of humanity's greatest mistakes in this issue Lore.. you've fallen so far and learned nothing. You crossed a line with your spending and moved from supporter to cheater.... just because you have some pathetic justification for your spending does not make the level to which you took it morally good. Why don't we make Adolf Hitler a saint whilst we're at it... I mean he had good intentions...from his point of view.
lore wrote:*edit, missed one point*
I don't argue the fact having big time $$ spenders hurts the people who do it the old fashioned way, nor that it takes away from their accomplishments. I personally agree with you, but I want to point out 2 very valid points.
1. Jason does the EXACT same thing over and over again. How many times and how many updates were put in place SOLELY to hurt bigger/longstanding players? How many?
And do you see me sitting around professing my undying love and support for all things Jason and TGW? Or have you seen me attempt to change it? Fact of the matter is though it's all relative. Big players face difficult times to go further when bigger... but against small players they should be top dogs.
lore wrote:2. You say many will not come into this envirnment because of $$ spenders, and in the heart of that statement I agree with you. Where we differ is in the fact I also believe that allowing $$ spender has also brought a many a player as well. Fact is, without $$ spending being allowed, a new account WILL NEVER be able to stand against a 4 yr old account.
In time, yes it would. Due to the caps and the game system (even with a fair amount of updates).. it can do so. Then ontop of that a small player should be with small players... a newer smaller player shouldn't be ABLE to stand up to a 4 year old account without a lot of work.
$$ will have only attracted people looking to make money from TGW or people with more money than brains who like a bit of power and saw an easy system they could just buy their way to the top of. People not willing to spend will have become very tired, very quickly with the atmosphere around here when going up against someone who's been playing half their time and has just thrown $10k at their account to be able to best you. The game will have suffered because of it.. and add to that the current game system and the fact the main power house $$ spending accounts are all in one place.. well...no wonder this game is going down the pan.
Lore wrote:Basicly, like so many other things Jason has done. Like so many updates he put in. They had a place and a time, and the game changes. Sadly Jason no longer seems to care, nor changes with it. I agree that big $$ spending is hurting the game now, but in the past money spending helped keep it alive and it is where it is now because of it.
No! This only shows your short sightedness. It's the fact people thought it was necessary and ok.. in the first place that showed jason he could get away with it. It's what gave him the taste of the money and it's what made him make updates and a system to benefit the $$ spenders. It's the continued spending of $$ in the game that keeps him ignoring SGW because the money is still coming in and to be frank....so few of the players here are either too spineless to stand up to him and say change it or we walk...and would rather just sit here and complain...or they're reaping the benefits of lucrative trading business's and real ego boost's from the old 'who can spend the most cash and come out as a great player' game.
I don't know....oh rin tin tin tin tin.... when will this community learn....funny we were here the community and I four years ago when I told everyone that SS and the game speeding up would ruin it.. I told everyone the ascension system wasn't going to work.. and I got told to STHU.. yet now I am agreed with by the majority...
by god this time.. i'll be right again except with any luck I won't still be stupid enough to be around to see you lot fall flat on your ass and realise once again that I'm right... because if I am.. you can bet your backside i'll be laughing..problem is though.. I reckon this time.. the game is going for it's death knell.
