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Kit-Fox wrote:I have two words to say to those living in europe, do you not remember these two words??

papieren bitte

Neither I do speak that language, nor I could remember that, given I am born about 44 years after the end of WW2...

Such an obsession with nazis.

Not any better than the phobia regarding eagle symbols which I am now healed from.
(I mean, an eagle in a symbol= nazi eagle. Because as we all know, ONLY nazis EVER had an eagle as a symbol )
Nazi eagle is recognizable.

the point which you so artfully missed is that it is not for you to identify yourself to the police or the state.

By doing so you only exist as long as the state says you do.

It should be up to the police and state to prove you arent you who say you are.

Jim, you missed the point that was made by KF...

if you didnt miss the point that was made by KF it would be great if you could acknowledge the point but say you dont agree and anything else you want to say...


just a suggestion

Kit-Fox wrote:the point which you so artfully missed is that it is not for you to identify yourself to the police or the state.

By doing so you only exist as long as the state says you do.

It should be up to the police and state to prove you arent you who say you are.

Oh yes, making job harder for police and the state is really the thing to do. Giving opportunities to guilty one to escape without hurry.
Afterall, we like to make criminals' job easier. Freedom for all, afterall!
Just because it might be a problem for some people, we will accept all the side effects (easily solvable if the potential problems weren't branded like a spartan shield) because it MIGHT be dangerous.

When I hear you guys talk about how the UK works.. I get this impression:
[spoiler][/spoiler]

You do so love to avoid the point & put words into peoples mouths dont you pops?

perhaps you ought try not to do it, it somewhat annoying over time.

especially as your last post wasnt what i said or meant. You are ascribing meanings to my words that arent there

EDIT: here i highly suggest that those wishing to educate themselves about how bad the UK scheme really is google no2id & browse their site.

You will find a very careful examination of the scheme & balenced arguments and reasons for why it shouldnt be implemented in the UK

Apophis The Great wrote:

Kit-Fox wrote:the point which you so artfully missed is that it is not for you to identify yourself to the police or the state.

By doing so you only exist as long as the state says you do.

It should be up to the police and state to prove you arent you who say you are.

Oh yes, making job harder for police and the state is really the thing to do. Giving opportunities to guilty one to escape without hurry.
Afterall, we like to make criminals' job easier. Freedom for all, afterall!
Just because it might be a problem for some people, we will accept all the side effects (easily solvable if the potential problems weren't branded like a spartan shield) because it MIGHT be dangerous.

Jim, if i may be so bold...your more or less saying that EVERYBODY is guilty by presumption...

whatever happened to innocent till PROVEN guilty?

[KMA]Avenger wrote:Jim, if i may be so bold...your more or less saying that EVERYBODY is guilty by presumption...

whatever happened to innocent till PROVEN guilty?

Well.. everybody *is* guilty of something. Original sin, much.

come on sweety (if may call you sweety? ), thats VERY weak and you know it

Crouch-fail image is quite funny!

the point which you so artfully missed is that it is not for you to identify yourself to the police or the state.

By doing so you only exist as long as the state says you do.

It should be up to the police and state to prove you arent you who say you are.

Like if they only had that to do...
Afterall, it's not really an effort to show an ID card, because I'm sure that there's slighty more time required from state and police to control people than for people to show who they are.
Oh, excepted if you had to show a gazillion of papers to prove who you are (for a simple control), due to having forgotten some at home, rest being outdated or suspicious.


And Avenger, I have not been controlled for years...so it's not like if they controlled everyone all the time!
Just the looking-guilty ones. Which I'm not.
Don't worry, cops have some practice and don't waste their time controlling everyone.

Original sin..

[KMA]Avenger wrote:come on sweety (if may call you sweety? ), thats VERY weak and you know it

Well yes, and yes, it's *very* weak. I guess it is a matter of how you look at other human beings.

Question is, do you trust the government to be the lesser of two evils, i.e. they just try to enslave you.. whereas your neighbour can suddenly turn into a crazy-monkey axe-murderer. I prefer the government keep my neighbours from killing me. And if that means they have to keep an eye on me too, then well.. I prefer voyeurs over killers.

erm, i'm not arguing its about control ( not in this thread at least, even though i know for a FACT thats EXACTLY what its about).

any chance of a comment regarding innocent till proven guilty?

and btw...what does a guilty person look like?

i remember years ago on my way to work i suddenly realized my watch had stopped and so i asked someone for the time and found out i was over half an hour late for work so i started running for the bus (which was 30 mins walk from my house) i shot round a corner and nearly knocked over an old man or woman, cant remember which), apologised to the person but before i could continue on a police car pulled up next to me and wanted to know who i was and why i was running like a crazy person. the policeman didn't even bother getting out of his car (i think that has something to do with the fact he was the only policeman in the car. there has to be a second witness or something like that...i think.), the point is...its supposed to be a free country and just because i am running it doesn't make me guilty of anything except breathing harder and getting tired.

Radiance wrote:

[KMA]Avenger wrote:come on sweety (if may call you sweety? ), thats VERY weak and you know it

Well yes, and yes, it's *very* weak. I guess it is a matter of how you look at other human beings.

Question is, do you trust the government to be the lesser of two evils, i.e. they just try to enslave you.. whereas your neighbour can suddenly turn into a crazy-monkey axe-murderer. I prefer the government keep my neighbours from killing me. And if that means they have to keep an eye on me too, then well.. I prefer voyeurs over killers.

erm, aside from the enslaving thing (which exactly what this ID crap is all about), how can i trust my Govt to have so much info on me in one centralised database (even though they have to much info already) when they cant even keep sensitive info such as social security details and bank account info safe?

our Govt and especially our PM are the biggest bull-crapping useless, spineless, lying, manipulative corrupt, back stabbing, traitorous morons this country has ever seen! i wouldn't trust anyone one of them to look after a pile of cat crap!!

SuperSaiyan wrote:

[KMA]Avenger wrote:erm, i'm not arguing its about control ( not in this thread at least, even though i know for a FACT thats EXACTLY what its about).

any chance of a comment regarding innocent till proven guilty?

and btw...what does a guilty person look like?

i remember years ago on my way to work i suddenly realized my watch had stopped and so i asked someone for the time and found out i was over half an hour late for work so i started running for the bus (which was 30 mins walk from my house) i shot round a corner and nearly knocked over an old man or woman, cant remember which), apologised to the person but before i could continue on a police car pulled up next to me and wanted to know who i was and why i was running like a crazy person. the policeman didn't even bother getting out of his car (i think that has something to do with the fact he was the only policeman in the car. there has to be a second witness or something like that...i think.), the point is...its supposed to be a free country and just because i am running it doesn't make me guilty of anything except breathing harder and getting tired.

that is called suspicious activity, he did not know why you were running, for the cop knew you had just robbed someone and were trying to get away

thieves usually have things in there hands it was middle of summer (because i took the bus in the summer and drove in the winter) and all i had on was a pair of jeans and a T-shirt

SuperSaiyan wrote:

[KMA]Avenger wrote:

SuperSaiyan wrote:

[KMA]Avenger wrote:erm, i'm not arguing its about control ( not in this thread at least, even though i know for a FACT thats EXACTLY what its about).

any chance of a comment regarding innocent till proven guilty?

and btw...what does a guilty person look like?

i remember years ago on my way to work i suddenly realized my watch had stopped and so i asked someone for the time and found out i was over half an hour late for work so i started running for the bus (which was 30 mins walk from my house) i shot round a corner and nearly knocked over an old man or woman, cant remember which), apologised to the person but before i could continue on a police car pulled up next to me and wanted to know who i was and why i was running like a crazy person. the policeman didn't even bother getting out of his car (i think that has something to do with the fact he was the only policeman in the car. there has to be a second witness or something like that...i think.), the point is...its supposed to be a free country and just because i am running it doesn't make me guilty of anything except breathing harder and getting tired.

that is called suspicious activity, he did not know why you were running, for the cop knew you had just robbed someone and were trying to get away

thieves usually have things in there hands it was middle of summer (because i took the bus in the summer and drove in the winter) and all i had on was a pair of jeans and a T-shirt

oh yes, because it is completely impossible to steal someones wallet and put it in your pocket...

maybe you strangled someone and were running away, who knows...that cop didn't

Exactly. And that is why he asked.

I assume that folks here know the difference between circumstantial evidence & factual evidence?