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Well it`s hard to speculate...

We can probably look at the matter through generations of stars since they had to go nova to create heavier elements that are required for life.

I think that it took the universe around 400mil years to "spawn" the first generation of stars and they were shortlived.
Now even if we asume that all life started roughly in the same generation (or better said that we`re one of the first that took advantage of the circumstances) the develpoment of life is still comperativly fast.

You have to realise there was a period of long (bil year+) stagnation in develpoment of life on earth, when cingle cell organisms (name escapes me, they piled up on layers formming coral reef type structures) ruled the earth.
Now certain natural dizasters apparently jarred the evolution forward since evolutionary jumps coincide with evidence of massive eruptions that followed a snowball earth cooling.

So out of the 4.1bil years of documented evolution apparently only 1bil of it has been of multicelular organisms, once the "push" towards it was made. It went pritty fast after that.

Thats 3.1bil years of time for some other planet passing us by by simply avoiding the stagnation in the first place or chancing uppon a circumstance that will spurr it on sooner than we did.


I mean everything is possible but its litterary a 50-50 guess heh. I hope it`s not thus, cos the galaxy would be an awfully dull place.
But then again, maybe that just means space for an Asimov style Galactic Empire. Or that we are infact the ancients.

Brdavs wrote:
You have to realise there was a period of long (bil year+) stagnation in develpoment of life on earth, when cingle cell organisms (name escapes me, they piled up on layers formming coral reef type structures) ruled the earth.
Now certain natural dizasters apparently jarred the evolution forward since evolutionary jumps coincide with evidence of massive eruptions that followed a snowball earth cooling.

So out of the 4.1bil years of documented evolution apparently only 1bil of it has been of multicelular organisms, once the "push" towards it was made. It went pritty fast after that.

isnt it possible to assume that whatever happened here, happenes on other planets as well.

there is lots of conditions that have to be met inorder to get life on a planet, inshort, the plant has to have all internal and external characteristics that earth has. so if that happens, then whatever happened here will happen on those planets as well.

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Kit-Fox wrote:No its not fair to assume that the evolutionary responses of life on this planet would be replicated on another.

For example the predecessor of humanity stagnated for a while when it had no pressure forcing it to change/adapt/evolve. Other life on other planets might not have a period of stagnation like that as the pressures of evolution might not let up on them like they did upon our ancestors

hm so luck does have a lot to do with evolution doesnt it.

ex. the fire thing that killed the dinos, or w.e killed the life form before the dinos.. if that didnt happen, then we would be different.. but would we still have the same intelligence is hard to predict indeed..

The dark ages were a huge set back for technology we would be more advanced if that didnt happen

i stopped reading at about the 4th or 5th post for one reason: for talking about other life in the universe, no matter how hypothetically, YOU ARE TOO CLOSED MINDED TO THE POSSIBILITIES AND VARIATIONS. not all things in a galaxy are created in the exact same manner as their counterparts another galaxy. it's a proven fact that many other solid planets of similar size to earth have taken longer or shorter periods of time to form than our own little earth.

plus, the speed of evolution isnt in any way a set rate. look at the rate the species of earth have evolved in. oh wait, you CANT, because each species evolves at a different rate, some ultimately failing to evolve well enough and going extinct, depending on not only the environment it evolves in, but the other species in the environment.

another sentient race could be created long after us on some other planet in the middle of nowhere, space, and be much more intelligent than us. or another species could be created after us and be much less evolutionary inclined. not to mention our own intillectual evolution, or thought pattern as it were, was hindered greatly by einsteinian physics, though useful for a time.

you just posted a topic about something you couldnt even begin to fathom the massive amount of variables, and in turn the complexities of each variable, let alone the complexity of the ideas. im not pretending, nor am i going to pretend, to understand, all of those complexities either, but i can tell you dont know that much.

i dont mean to be a **Filtered**, but something about opening a topic with such an entising title and finding this is, well, to be honest, a disappointment.

where's semper when you need him...

(ps, whoever pointed out that our sun will not go super-nove nor blackhole is speaking the legitimate truth. on the scale of stars, our star is very near the bottom in both size and potential and active energy. our sum will end it's life by simply exhausting all of the hydrogen in its being. well said, i like that person)

AssAsinX wrote:indeed civilizations are complex. but if you look at the evolutionary time also known as 'deep time' few thousand year causes no change to the evolutionary cycle . constant warfare? lasted wat 2000 years? if a 100000 years doesn't do much to the evolutionary cycle of organisms, why would 2000 years?

we have been at war with our fellow man ever since we first came together in social groups, that's hundreds of thousands of years of warfare which could have been better spent on working together for the betterment of the whole human race. even to this very day, we find it easier to kill our fellow man than to work together...and we call ourselves "civilised".

AssAsinX wrote:the only way aliens or other life can have a more IQ then us, is IF They had more time to evolve in their environment. and since our galaxy is as old as galaxies can be, the other life forms cant have more time to evolve..

not necessarily, there are to many factors that influence the development of mentality, for instance, there is no way to know what kind of "education" system an alien race may have, or the structure of their brains/minds which would allow for greater IQ/brain power.

AssAsinX wrote:the exception is, as someone above pointed out, the fact that our galaxy may have taken too long to be built.. in which case those few billion years saved and used in evolution can change everything..

true, but again, we cant apply our way of thinking to something that is inherently "alien" to us.
also, you have to consider that mainstream commercial technology is at least 25 years behind what our Govts and Corporations have suppressed, and we have reached a stage of technological development now that is growing exponentially, but is still not filtering down to us at that rate...

there maybe no such restrictions for these aliens, so even though they me younger in years its still quite possible they maybe light years ahead of us in knowledge and technology.

Well a cynic could argue that constant confict is what caused our civilization to rise so extremely fast.

I was about to point out.. that the Earth is what, 4.5billion years old? A third or so the age of the actual galaxy/universe. In that 4.5billion years it has taken 3.5billion years for life to spring to our level from where it started.

Now to put it simply, are you telling me that it's not possible during the other 8.5-9billion years a similar situation could not have arisen? Even if there is a variation or lee-way of say 100million years (yes, that small) that's more than enough time for a species such as ours to have developed, surpassed our level of development, created an intergalactic empire and destroyed themselves leaving little to no evidence.

well who knows whats the correct theory of the creation of life or condition for life in Earth or Tiamat , does the second name brings anything on yr memories???

there are many theories , one of them is the crashing theory that moved earth nearby soon, Nibiru hit Tiamat reducing its size. who can confirm theories??? from some ancient scripts u can read they knew more they what Nasa knows now about our solar system , the sumerian text.

boo not gona say more

yes lithium, i have heard of it. for those who dont know what we are talking about, you may recall some mumbo jumbo in the news a while back about a Planet X, or tenth planet.

the theory states, simply, that the asteroid belt is actually the remnants of a planet. our planet. the theory states, basically, that our planet was hit by this 10th planet it its orbit, along with it's several orbiting moons/debris, and that this not only smashed away half our planet (creating the asteroid belt), but also gave us our moon and shifted our planets orbit and position in comparison with the sun. i cant recal many of the details as the last time i read about it the theory was still highly undeveloped. however, i do remember that there was also the possibility of this planet x being a second star, making our solar system a binary star system, obviously magnifying the gravitational fields but that is unneeded information. this second star, as you may be saying to yourself "i think i'd have noticed a second star bleedingblue..." is one of 2 stars, either a nuetron some type of dwarf i cant remember which. either way, that star, in theory, orbits our sun, much like the planets, but it's path through space is much much MUCH longer. think a thousands of years orbit...
but, there IS astronomical, as well as earthly, evidence to support this theory...

now that it's been loosely explained, such an event would severely hinder any sentient species' evolution, as you might guess (coughcoughintelligentjoke, terriblethoughitmaybecoughcough). it could, however, planet the seeds of these sentient beings, at which point they would begin evolving into, well, us. those seeds had to come from somewhere, so there's as much the possiblity of sentient being on planet x as the beginning stages of sentient being. understand?

once again, so many more variables, so many more complexities...they are infinite

well most of the solar systems are bipolar , 2 stars, ours has been know as 1 star system , recentl i ve read that our solar system might be a bipolar with another star (brown dwarf, dying star) , Planext could be in its orbit, and have an eleptic orbit , visiting earth any 3600 years , the north pole is not older then 3600-4000 years as for specialist on that field. and if Nibiru visit earth every 3600 years we might see it comming nect year or even this one , our poles will shift by 29 degrees.
once upon a time dino were found in russian ice desert , ment to be a tropical clima.

soon we might face our creators

true true true...and as being a youngster avidly involved in the research of such astronomical events, and planning to make a career in it, the tiding of planet x's return fills me with both excitement and dread, if the theroy (which i believe) is true. there's so much evidence, not to mention the physics aspect of the whole thing and the proof there...

true true, all the points above do make sense,

but one thing still goes agianst you guys..

"if there were smarter beings, why have they not contacted us?"

im sure they are just as curious about find others..

[KMA]Avenger wrote:

AssAsinX wrote:the only way aliens or other life can have a more IQ then us, is IF They had more time to evolve in their environment. and since our galaxy is as old as galaxies can be, the other life forms cant have more time to evolve..

not necessarily, there are to many factors that influence the development of mentality, for instance, there is no way to know what kind of "education" system an alien race may have, or the structure of their brains/minds which would allow for greater IQ/brain power.

different education may have different effects, but for them to have more IQ, they must have been evolved. tehres no other way, HUmans can have extremly IQs, but they can never be a lot. or else it would be considered a different species.

IQ is related to brain, and brain evolves, therefore 2000 or 4000 or 10000 years are not enough to cause that much evolutionary changes to the end.

what i do agree with the the fighting of humans, that can slow down technological growth, but at the same time i think it increases technological growth. Because we are fighting each other so much and making better things to kill each other and therefore thats how technology advances..