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Re: Sorry Pimp
Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 8:35 pm
by Thade
Hmm...again the problem I see (depending on the formula used) is for active people who get AMSed. Concerning this...currently my army is 9769 (Jack AMSed me good
). I've got 13.7bil in weapons...I really don't think it'd be fair to limit me to not buying more weapons based on my army size...especially since my bank size was seriously reduced by the AMSing thus increasing my need to bank via weapons.
Also, I know I personally used def weapons as a bank to buy Cov levels and my MS as my bank was not large enough to hold the naq needed (only way to slightly mitigate the advantage long time players and SS buyers have from their huge banks). As long as these restrictions did not limit those of us who are being fair then I'm all for them...but punishing everyone just because of a few bad apples isn't right.
I know I'm offering up reasons against the ideas being offered but it's not because I don't like them (or have any alternatives currently in mind) it's just that I want them to be fair and not punish everyone.
Re: Sorry Pimp
Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 8:41 pm
by jabujabu
alucard110 wrote:HippyFool wrote:I never said there weren't any flaws to my idea, and you are right that with AMS it could get a little crazy!
I burnt all my ideas on that last post so I will wait for some other contribution before i put more crazy ideas up lol
Ok, here's a crazy idea... the Army size would work VERY nicely for a normal era, i think that would be interesting to see something like it implemented.
But how about adapting the same idea to some of the other stats, like covert lvl’s or just Unit production… don’t have any constructive idea’s on exactly how that would work cause I thought of something else.
If a feeder doesn’t have the bank capacity to hold the large quantity of NAQ that they want to give to whom ever the recipient is, they amass large quantities defense weapons…
Why not simply impose a restriction on how many weapons you can have in relation to how many UU, standard defense or super defense troops you have.
Say you can’t stockpile more weapons than a certain % of one of the above mentioned units. Or even a certain % of your army size, because there’s never any need to have more than 70-90% of your army size in weaps.. unless your defense mad.. (talking about smaller feeder army sizes here)
If we can limit or severely decrease the potential “bank” space of the feeders that will not only make it a lot harder for them to hoard NAQ to then pass on, but it will involve them having to actually put work into their account (which will be some what of a deterrent) … something like this would be good for a wave such as this one as once a feeder has been labeled their army size could be “controlled” and any weapons sabbed/massed…
More ideas when they pop in to my head…
it is good...
but if you have a small bank like me,
and you were UP hoarding for the first few weeks,
your defensive weapons will be way up there
also what if the feeder fed in smaller amounts?
Re: Sorry Pimp
Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 8:57 pm
by HippyFool
There is always gonna be ways around it jabu... like feeding in smaller amounts...but at least the person is wasting alot more ATs if they have to hit lots of times..
@thade - I completely understand your side of the argument and agree... the formula would have to be very carefuly made.
What if you actually factored everything into the formula? So your weapons capacity was effected by army size AND Unit Production AND covert levels AND Mothership.... that way if, for example, you were AMSed and lost half your army.... the fact that you had huge MS and cov lvls and UP should even out the formula and still allow you to buy a very decent amount of weps
Re: Sorry Pimp
Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 9:09 pm
by Thade
That'd be one massively ugly formula.
But hey if one can be worked out then I'm all for it. Maybe something like if you have a top 10-15 rank in one of the stats the formula is ignored? (or are in top 20-30 rank overall)
Re: Sorry Pimp
Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 9:16 pm
by alucard110
HippyFool wrote:There is always gonna be ways around it jabu... like feeding in smaller amounts...but at least the person is wasting alot more ATs if they have to hit lots of times..
@thade - I completely understand your side of the argument and agree... the formula would have to be very carefuly made.
What if you actually factored everything into the formula? So your weapons capacity was effected by army size AND Unit Production AND covert levels AND Mothership.... that way if, for example, you were AMSed and lost half your army.... the fact that you had huge MS and cov lvls and UP should even out the formula and still allow you to buy a very decent amount of weps
Love it! Perfect! find a way to link the amount of weapons that you can buy to how much NAQ you have spent on your account (MS, Covert & AC levels, UP and even Mini's).
Actually, how about a simple formula relating specifically to your army size but also link to that a % increase to the maximum weapons allowed in relation to your C, AC, UP and MS (basically how much you've spent on your account)
The key to making it fair - in this era at least - would hinge on the % multiplier that increased your weapons "storage" potential.
You could structure the formula so that active accounts really wouldn't have a problem buying weapons till their hearts are content...
Re: Sorry Pimp
Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 9:17 pm
by alucard110
Thade wrote:That'd be one massively ugly formula.
But hey if one can be worked out then I'm all for it. Maybe something like if you have a top 10-15 rank in one of the stats the formula is ignored? (or are in top 20-30 rank overall)
thats good too, feeders are rarely "highly" ranked.... (although they might have rank 1 def from all the bloody weapons)
Re: Sorry Pimp
Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 9:30 pm
by HippyFool
alucard110 wrote:HippyFool wrote:There is always gonna be ways around it jabu... like feeding in smaller amounts...but at least the person is wasting alot more ATs if they have to hit lots of times..
@thade - I completely understand your side of the argument and agree... the formula would have to be very carefuly made.
What if you actually factored everything into the formula? So your weapons capacity was effected by army size AND Unit Production AND covert levels AND Mothership.... that way if, for example, you were AMSed and lost half your army.... the fact that you had huge MS and cov lvls and UP should even out the formula and still allow you to buy a very decent amount of weps
Love it! Perfect! find a way to link the amount of weapons that you can buy to how much NAQ you have spent on your account (MS, Covert & AC levels, UP and even Mini's).
Actually, how about a simple formula relating specifically to your army size but also link to that a % increase to the maximum weapons allowed in relation to your C, AC, UP and MS (basically how much you've spent on your account)
The key to making it fair - in this era at least - would hinge on the % multiplier that increased your weapons "storage" potential.
You could structure the formula so that active accounts really wouldn't have a problem buying weapons till their hearts are content...
Ah yes I hadn't quite thought about it that way but that would be perfect... I am sure it wouldn't be hard for admin to add in a "total Naq spent on account" which auto updates every time you buy UP or cov lvls or minis etc etc.... then the amount of weps you can buy can be easily factored on that!
Re: Sorry Pimp
Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 9:34 pm
by knight
I'm afraid you would have to make it simple for admin.
It's hard enough to get him to stay around after the first few days.
BTW, Maximum Safe Capacity for Secret Temple 109,933,527,110
Re: Sorry Pimp
Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 9:35 pm
by HippyFool
knight37 wrote:BTW, Maximum Safe Capacity for Secret Temple 109,933,527,110
Re: Sorry Pimp
Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 9:46 pm
by jabujabu
knight37 wrote:I'm afraid you would have to make it simple for admin.
It's hard enough to get him to stay around after the first few days.
BTW, Maximum Safe Capacity for Secret Temple 109,933,527,110
always finding a way to brag about it?
Re: Sorry Pimp
Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 9:58 pm
by EnVy!
o geez... i will say this... no way to stop feeding by admin. even if a player uses one comp for one id and work computer for other. uses phone to bank or transfer. proxy. have friend log in while they hit. or just be a multying and get admin to get you exception after convincing him your different people. lol whatever the poison be.... in my mind i would leave admin out and settle everything your own self. man law
Re: Sorry Pimp
Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 9:59 pm
by alucard110
How about something like this
is there a way to imbed part of an excel spread sheet in a post?
its pretty basic but i'd just "weighted" some of the different aspects of my account and its sitting around 36bil NAQ worth of Weapons, but thats considering i've for 11k+ UP, 50k+ Army size and the above covert lvls and a MS as well.
Re: Sorry Pimp
Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 10:02 pm
by alucard110
envious wrote:o geez... i will say this... no way to stop feeding by admin. even if a player uses one comp for one id and work computer for other. uses phone to bank or transfer. proxy. have friend log in while they hit. or just be a multying and get admin to get you exception after convincing him your different people. lol whatever the poison be.... in my mind i would leave admin out and settle everything your own self. man law
this is all true, we can't stop it, I've got an IP exemption with one of my mates because i'd some times farm from his place if i wasn't at home..
We won’t stop them, but we can sure as hell make them have to work SOO much harder, like they’d have to basically have a top 50’ish account to feed with rather than a 1500+ ranked account with no stats or anything…
Re: Sorry Pimp
Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 3:51 pm
by Ace1102
I just had a thought, Im not in favour of any sort of weapons 'limit' but just had a thought along those lines, instead of hinging such a thing on "naq spent on account" why not hinge it on ME ?
Feeders rarely have a high ME, and naq stolen/lost are only a minimal factor in ME points, so the only way to be able to buy more weapons would be to boost your ME by way of massing/sabbing/killing units...
Also that way we get the ME back
Even if not ranked, I just like to see a good breakdown of whats going on
Just a thought.. *2 centz*
Re: Sorry Pimp
Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 3:54 pm
by Ace1102
alucard110 wrote:...
this is all true, we can't stop it, I've got an IP exemption with one of my mates because i'd some times farm from his place if i wasn't at home..
We won’t stop them, but we can sure as hell make them have to work SOO much harder, like they’d have to basically have a top 50’ish account to feed with rather than a 1500+ ranked account with no stats or anything…
I am that guy!!! and you do farm from my place!!!
Also what your almost suggesting there is similar to ascended, where you can only attack people within a %'age of your rank.
But even then, if anyone wanted to use an account to feed he/she/they would only need to spend a little naq on it to boost its rank, then sell and get farmed during the same turn but would have 0 stats...
Its pretty unavoidable without marshall law