whats a good naq hit to you?

[Legendary Apophis]

there are a few people around who could hit for 30b on a 500b def and still profit =/

Yeah... had one of them in my logs the other day trying to hit me for 20-30b naq and came up empty... only to find themselves with 35b+ in MS repairs + the cost of the ATs.

Why the hell are people hitting for 15-20b naq? If ATs cost 700b/1k - 800b/1k? The minimum amount you should be hitting for is 2X the cost of ATs + repairs.

Because they don't look for maximizing profit...if they can earn 1.2bil naq or so, compared between repairs/supers lost and naq stolen, they will consider it as profit.
For my case, I usually look for maximized profit.

[[BoT] Jason]

i look for 2 tril 1k turns min

minus 750 bil turn cost and estimated 250 bil repair moneys


so

2,000,000,000,000
(1000/12)
=
2,000,000,000,000
83
=
24 bil

so I am 25 bil up on inactives and 10% of def of actives

edit:

then also average Raid i aim for just below the UU equivalent in naq

[2,000,000,000,000/(510,000,000,000/1,000,000)]
(1000/12)
=
2,000,000,000,000/510,000
83
=
3,921,568
83
=47,000 a hit

for profitable raiding IMO

[Legendary Apophis]

i look for 2 tril 1k turns min

minus 750 bil turn cost and estimated 250 bil repair moneys


so

2,000,000,000,000
(1000/12)
=
2,000,000,000,000
83
=
24 bil

so I am 25 bil up on inactives and 10% of def of actives

I usually average that...excepted when someone hits them before me *is a turn farmer on nice incomes*.

[Dean_S]

not many riads with 50k uu a hit

[MaxSterling]

there are a few people around who could hit for 30b on a 500b def and still profit =/

Yeah... had one of them in my logs the other day trying to hit me for 20-30b naq and came up empty... only to find themselves with 35b+ in MS repairs + the cost of the ATs.

Why the hell are people hitting for 15-20b naq? If ATs cost 700b/1k - 800b/1k? The minimum amount you should be hitting for is 2X the cost of ATs + repairs.

Because they don't look for maximizing profit...if they can earn 1.2bil naq or so, compared between repairs/supers lost and naq stolen, they will consider it as profit.
For my case, I usually look for maximized profit.

Whether you're maximizing profit or not, you're gonna get a lot of misses while farming. 2X the AT cost is the only way to offset and account for all the misses. I go through about 10k ATs daily when I'm off PPT and about 1-2k of those ATs miss.

[caesar2]

Dean, decalre war on farms and use only 12 turns everyone knows it, yeah... and my minimum is... depends on perosn, fe wi hit for 2b as well but average miniumum is around 22b when i declare war. if i dont decalre war, than minimum is 30b... and what defence? Each i can breake with strike + MS

Oh... and... with 1k turns am making average around 3.4T

[Legendary Apophis]

Dean, decalre war on farms and use only 12 turns everyone knows it, yeah... and my minimum is... depends on perosn, fe wi hit for 2b as well but average miniumum is around 22b when i declare war. if i dont decalre war, than minimum is 30b... and what defence? Each i can breake with strike + MS

Oh... and... with 1k turns am making average around 3.4T

Problem is for turn farming...rankings 15AT hit buttons are quicker than opening different tabs..

[jabujabu]

Dean, decalre war on farms and use only 12 turns everyone knows it, yeah... and my minimum is... depends on perosn, fe wi hit for 2b as well but average miniumum is around 22b when i declare war. if i dont decalre war, than minimum is 30b... and what defence? Each i can breake with strike + MS

Oh... and... with 1k turns am making average around 3.4T

that is if you can catch all the farms and are running with a half mediocre strike, otherwise 3.4 T is ridiculous for someone who doesn't have a decent farm list

[~Massin4Christ~]

Dean, decalre war on farms and use only 12 turns everyone knows it, yeah... and my minimum is... depends on perosn, fe wi hit for 2b as well but average miniumum is around 22b when i declare war. if i dont decalre war, than minimum is 30b... and what defence? Each i can breake with strike + MS

Oh... and... with 1k turns am making average around 3.4T

Problem is for turn farming...rankings 15AT hit buttons are quicker than opening different tabs..

It's not about profit, it's about maximising profit.

Along with early when someone mentioned about it being quicking you responded with this! Make up your mind!

[buck]

Problem is noone is going to make money farming, unlessd your farming people with no backbone.

At the end of the day if you hit someone 3 times in a week (generally accepted rule) then your going to get massed, if you get massed you generally lose more than you have farmed in those three hits.

I find people farm less for profit these days, and more to antagonise, if you have 0 def you cannot complain about getting farmed in the first place, and i see so many 0 def accounts with 20-30 sometimes 50 bill out for the takeing. Its all relative, if people wanted to really profit they could do with almost 0 losses. They choose not too through either lazyness or arrogance.

Speaking of which, i need a new farm list.... anyone wanna lend me theres?

[Legendary Apophis]

Dean, decalre war on farms and use only 12 turns everyone knows it, yeah... and my minimum is... depends on perosn, fe wi hit for 2b as well but average miniumum is around 22b when i declare war. if i dont decalre war, than minimum is 30b... and what defence? Each i can breake with strike + MS

Oh... and... with 1k turns am making average around 3.4T

Problem is for turn farming...rankings 15AT hit buttons are quicker than opening different tabs..

It's not about profit, it's about maximising profit.

Along with early when someone mentioned about it being quicking you responded with this! Make up your mind!

Rather spend 3 extra ATs/hit and have more succcessful hits..that's what I meant.

[GOLDEN WING]

Problem is noone is going to make money farming, unlessd your farming people with no backbone.

At the end of the day if you hit someone 3 times in a week (generally accepted rule) then your going to get massed, if you get massed you generally lose more than you have farmed in those three hits.

I find people farm less for profit these days, and more to antagonise, if you have 0 def you cannot complain about getting farmed in the first place, and i see so many 0 def accounts with 20-30 sometimes 50 bill out for the takeing. Its all relative, if people wanted to really profit they could do with almost 0 losses. They choose not too through either lazyness or arrogance.

Speaking of which, i need a new farm list.... anyone wanna lend me theres?

yup all of mine have 0 def and are ianctive 18bil per turn -40bl +

[Neimenljivi]

50b with 0 and up to 1,5t defense makes it profitable for me to hit.
80b with defense ranging from 1,5t to 2t and 100b out with more than 2t def and so on.
Oh and when I put all things together I profit more than 2tril per 1k ATs used

~N

[Kaps1]

0 defence inactive? 25bil+

0 defence actives? 25bil+

500bill defence? 50bil+

1trillion defence? 100bil+

2trillion defence? 300bil+

Those minimums

and when getting to 1tril + def, a lot depends on the MS they have