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harchester wrote:

Teal'C wrote:Lol, All I can say is this, Gay and Lesbian Marriage should be Legal, as truthfully I personally believe, and I have spoken with many people that do as well, I personally believe That all humans are in a way Bi Sexual, now Sexually or Mentally, I don't care lol, I just believe that all humans are, and I believe it is Ignorance in one self, to deny it!

In Some countrys it is legal, britain it is cannada it is another, its allowed but i ask why some people/ countries dont allow it

whats so wrong with it ?

Some nations tend to bow to every minorities demands because they think it makes them total democracies, but don't get me started on this thing, I might be not as nice as if I talk about "homosexual marriage, yes/no" heh.
Some countries are like totally static.
And the rest (like my country) tend to analyse before allowing a minority demand whether it's possible and rational to allow it. Which explains why homosexual marriage isn't permitted due to other way available I mentionned, for those couples.
Usually, the states which fall easier to demands tend to be those who have the most risks of "abuses" (by that I mean, asking ridiculous demands, you give the hand, they ask for the arm). So I wouldn't be that proud to be in a too highly "tolerant" (or permissive, whatever word) state/country. It always bites back when you tend to be too much on the yes or on the no.

Thriller wrote:

Leg Apophis wrote:

Teal'C wrote:Lol, All I can say is this, Gay and Lesbian Marriage should be Legal, as truthfully I personally believe, and I have spoken with many people that do as well, I personally believe That all humans are in a way Bi Sexual, now Sexually or Mentally, I don't care lol, I just believe that all humans are, and I believe it is Ignorance in one self, to deny it!

You are missing the point about this.
Every people have a feminine and masculine side. 100% masculine men can be 100% gays, and less than 50% masculine guys can be 100% straight!
It's NOT a matter of sexual attraction in this particular case you brought.

I can't really tell your stance from what you wrote, answer yes or no. Should men and women be able to marry each other..?

thats not up for debate they can marry, some people dont allow gay marriages why, i dont know because of there religion ? because the fact they adopt children ? or the fact they dont offer anything in return to society such as reproduction ?

Thats what the question asked at the start... and aphophis' fence sitting is for **Filtered**

As marriage is simply a social concept created by humans there is no logical/rational reason why it shouldnt be allowed.

Thriller wrote:Thats what the question asked at the start... and aphophis' fence sitting is for **Filtered**

I answered why I'm not in favour, without getting off topic which sadly I did on few posts coming after my first. Politics is involved according to title, thus my references to it.
It was one of reasons that I decided to follow & support national representing EPP party in my country, because most of others tend to be in favour of it, and I don't agree with why they want it to be done, and others not agreeing with it don't have same views of general things.
There's no political party in France having homophobic stances anyway, which you can get easily in cough cough moon quarter&star countries cough cough if you see what I mean.

EPP= European People Parties, right winged conservatives pro european partis. Not to be confused with far right parties. For those not used to European politics.

Leg Apophis wrote:

Thriller wrote:Thats what the question asked at the start... and aphophis' fence sitting is for **Filtered**

I answered why I'm not in favour, without getting off topic which sadly I did on few posts coming after my first. Politics is involved according to title, thus my references to it.
It was one of reasons that I decided to follow & support national representing EPP party in my country, because most of others tend to be in favour of it, and I don't agree with why they want it to be done, and others not agreeing with it don't have same views of general things.
There's no political party in France having homophobic stances anyway, which you can get easily in cough cough moon quarter&star countries cough cough if you see what I mean.

Okay then well going from your other post you said you have to look at it logically, but then you cited you didnt like it because it was ickky, which isn't logical at all. No ones gonna make you marry another man aphophis you don;t need to worry about that.

be careful when citing things as normal or natural, because you don't understand what you implying.

Thriller wrote:

Leg Apophis wrote:

Thriller wrote:Thats what the question asked at the start... and aphophis' fence sitting is for **Filtered**

I answered why I'm not in favour, without getting off topic which sadly I did on few posts coming after my first. Politics is involved according to title, thus my references to it.
It was one of reasons that I decided to follow & support national representing EPP party in my country, because most of others tend to be in favour of it, and I don't agree with why they want it to be done, and others not agreeing with it don't have same views of general things.
There's no political party in France having homophobic stances anyway, which you can get easily in cough cough moon quarter&star countries cough cough if you see what I mean.

Okay then well going from your other post you said you have to look at it logically, but then you cited you didnt like it because it was ickky, which isn't logical at all. No ones gonna make you marry another man aphophis you don;t need to worry about that.

be careful when cited things as normal or natural, because you don't understand what you implying.

It's not a matter of good or bad. People seeing things as "good side" and "bad sides" would have a quite more hard speech than I do...

And yes, there's one human race to me...


Want to hear what people living by "good side/bad side" would say? "Homos are dirty, they are plague of humanity", "homos will burn in hell, so why would we allow them anything?", "homos have an illness that one shall heal by fixing their brain disease"....is it my stance? No. So let's not exagerate things.

So other then children not being omitted from there relationship, can you please inform me, Why, Why should it be ILLEGAL why shouldn't people be able to chose who they love?

Teal'C wrote:So other then children not being omitted from there relationship, can you please inform me, Why, Why should it be ILLEGAL why shouldn't people be able to chose who they love?

Sometimes I wonder why I bother to post when I notice afterwards people didn't read my posts completly before asking me something.
Because you obviously didn't read what I say careful if you post this.

I did read your post, and i don't see any legitimate, Stakings as to why a person should not be able to?

Teal'C wrote:I did read your post, and i don't see any legitimate, Stakings as to why a person should not be able to?

Please try to find where I took an homophobic stance by inducing that homosexual relationships would be forbidden?

Why should it be ILLEGAL why shouldn't people be able to chose who they love?

Since people didn't get completly my posts, I will sum up.

Gay marriage= not agreeing to be possible
Gay "union" (pact I mentionned several times, which has some restrictions, and mostly used by straight couples excluding "aparthied" ghost *sigh* repeating myself)= agreeing to be possible
Gay relationships (without any "official" union)= agreeing to be possible

"Good side/bad side" followers stance: no on all of three.

Lets see if it sticks this time;

Marriage = artifical construct made by man.


Means nothing at all, so there is no reason why anyone should be 'banned' from marrying anyone else whoever it is

Kit-Fox wrote:Lets see if it sticks this time;

Marriage = artifical construct made by man.


Means nothing at all, so there is no reason why anyone should be 'banned' from marrying anyone else whoever it is

Because if this is permitted, then some people would ask to be able to marry their cousin, then we would get back into nephew/uncle/aunt mariages...I mean by that, some people might say "if they can, why couldn't we?" and then you got more&more demands to extend mariages...
Because afterall, if you do one step, then you can do other steps..and thus have to be careful (there you go Thriller for analysing & acting carefully).
It's like for non citizens (foreigners without papers) being able to vote for local elections, if you enable them this, then they will ask for more (national and regional elections right to vote). And then citizenship will have lost its specificity and identity. Same for mariage.

Why is it SUCH a problem anyway that homosexual people couldn't practice mariage [if we consider yes to unions/pacts]?
It's just to provoke and cause controversy!

Leg Apophis wrote:

Thriller wrote:

Leg Apophis wrote:

Thriller wrote:Thats what the question asked at the start... and aphophis' fence sitting is for **Filtered**

I answered why I'm not in favour, without getting off topic which sadly I did on few posts coming after my first. Politics is involved according to title, thus my references to it.
It was one of reasons that I decided to follow & support national representing EPP party in my country, because most of others tend to be in favour of it, and I don't agree with why they want it to be done, and others not agreeing with it don't have same views of general things.
There's no political party in France having homophobic stances anyway, which you can get easily in cough cough moon quarter&star countries cough cough if you see what I mean.

Okay then well going from your other post you said you have to look at it logically, but then you cited you didnt like it because it was ickky, which isn't logical at all. No ones gonna make you marry another man aphophis you don;t need to worry about that.

be careful when cited things as normal or natural, because you don't understand what you implying.

It's not a matter of good or bad. People seeing things as "good side" and "bad sides" would have a quite more hard speech than I do...

And yes, there's one human race to me...


Want to hear what people living by "good side/bad side" would say? "Homos are dirty, they are plague of humanity", "homos will burn in hell, so why would we allow them anything?", "homos have an illness that one shall heal by fixing their brain disease"....is it my stance? No. So let's not exagerate things.

Yah, you don't quite have the harsh virtiolic homophobia of some. But your soft, limp wristed, "someone please think of the children" kind, is just what i would expect from a Frenchmen. No matter how you want to rationalize it to yourself and try to make yourself out to be the good guy, its still blatantly bigoted discrimination.

Thriller wrote:

Leg Apophis wrote:

Thriller wrote:

Leg Apophis wrote:

Thriller wrote:Thats what the question asked at the start... and aphophis' fence sitting is for **Filtered**

I answered why I'm not in favour, without getting off topic which sadly I did on few posts coming after my first. Politics is involved according to title, thus my references to it.
It was one of reasons that I decided to follow & support national representing EPP party in my country, because most of others tend to be in favour of it, and I don't agree with why they want it to be done, and others not agreeing with it don't have same views of general things.
There's no political party in France having homophobic stances anyway, which you can get easily in cough cough moon quarter&star countries cough cough if you see what I mean.

Okay then well going from your other post you said you have to look at it logically, but then you cited you didnt like it because it was ickky, which isn't logical at all. No ones gonna make you marry another man aphophis you don;t need to worry about that.

be careful when cited things as normal or natural, because you don't understand what you implying.

It's not a matter of good or bad. People seeing things as "good side" and "bad sides" would have a quite more hard speech than I do...

And yes, there's one human race to me...


Want to hear what people living by "good side/bad side" would say? "Homos are dirty, they are plague of humanity", "homos will burn in hell, so why would we allow them anything?", "homos have an illness that one shall heal by fixing their brain disease"....is it my stance? No. So let's not exagerate things.

Yah, you don't quite have the harsh virtiolic homophobia of some. But your soft, limp wristed, "someone please think of the children" kind, is just what i would expect from a Frenchmen. No matter how you want to rationalize it to yourself and try to make yourself out to be the good guy, its still blatantly bigoted discrimination.

Not all frenchmen are like me at all, many are in favour of "let's permit everything because we are against all forms of discriminations and thus will answer positively to any minorities' demands".
In the name of tolerance and minorities sensibilities, we will allow anything they ask, no matter if it's going against our nation/group of nations traditions/roots or its republic bases.
In the end you got special hours for access to swimming pool for a certain religion (at their demand I might add!) in some cities for example, because we don't want oh no don't want to discriminate them so we accept their requests even if those requests might appear as "discriminative".
When you accept demands for some minorities of specific stuff, then all will ask for something and if you accept some requests and refuse some others, oh bad bad bad discriminations alert!

"Discriminating" is baaaad! Let's enable everything minorities ask to appear as the most tolerant bunch. D'oh d'oh d'oh.
Such words are totally over used just like "racism" word is.


Now that reminds me of those far left wing students who accused me to be a bad bad racist fascist and whatever they can think of as I was ohhh so shocking to them because I didn't want to accept any demands made by minorities and didn't have a head in the sand kind of view regarding several subjects.
I usually laugh inside (and outside sometimes) of me when I face such hillarious accusations towards me.