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Juliette wrote:

Nitro S wrote:Besides, who would want a kid that wouldn`t look anything like you just because you choosed to give it green hair and red eyes???

There's no accounting for taste.. that goes for me too.

I'd order 1 million babies with the exact same features.. High-Aryan excellence. They can be different in their own way, but the cosmetics should be identical (well, split in 2 of course, the boys and the girls). Failures should be recycled.

And I would create an army of Jacks. There would be the soldier class and the worker class. There would be subclasses of course. For instance in the soldier class, there would be ground pounders, super soldiers, pilots etc. The worker class would have things like administrators, engineers, scientists, construction crews etc.


And I would use my army only for good.

sexed semen is nothing new its used in agriculture to try to avoid produsing male dairy breed cattle as they are seen as a waste product due to there lack of vaue , its perfectly safe.

Dark Lord Tacoma wrote:sexed semen is nothing new its used in agriculture to try to avoid produsing male dairy breed cattle as they are seen as a waste product due to there lack of vaue , its perfectly safe.

But we are not cattle we are humanbeings so we should not use this prosedure on our own kind

That in itself cannot be a reason to shun the procedure.

Juliette wrote:

Dark Lord Tacoma wrote:sexed semen is nothing new its used in agriculture to try to avoid produsing male dairy breed cattle as they are seen as a waste product due to there lack of vaue , its perfectly safe.

But we are not cattle we are humanbeings so we should not use this prosedure on our own kind

That in itself cannot be a reason to shun the procedure.

yer it can as do not gain any thing by using this expencive procerure on our own kind were as in acriculture it cuts wate by millions of pounds/dollas/euros per year

Dark Lord Tacoma wrote:

Juliette wrote:

Dark Lord Tacoma wrote:sexed semen is nothing new its used in agriculture to try to avoid produsing male dairy breed cattle as they are seen as a waste product due to there lack of vaue , its perfectly safe.

But we are not cattle we are humanbeings so we should not use this prosedure on our own kind

That in itself cannot be a reason to shun the procedure.

yer it can as do not gain any thing by using this expencive procerure on our own kind were as in acriculture it cuts wate by millions of pounds/dollas/euros per year

I think we're talking past each other. I'm talking about the procedure that will help us remove defective genes, thus saving billions on health care.
But as it is in agriculture, diversity gives rise to new and better things. Perhaps it is best not to set up a specific set of genes one way or the other, because we would set our species back aeons of evolution..


Oh well..

Dark Lord Tacoma wrote:

Juliette wrote:

Dark Lord Tacoma wrote:sexed semen is nothing new its used in agriculture to try to avoid produsing male dairy breed cattle as they are seen as a waste product due to there lack of vaue , its perfectly safe.

But we are not cattle we are humanbeings so we should not use this prosedure on our own kind

That in itself cannot be a reason to shun the procedure.

yer it can as do not gain any thing by using this expencive procerure on our own kind were as in acriculture it cuts wate by millions of pounds/dollas/euros per year

It's already done, like was said before. It's basically like picking out which baby you want to adopt inside of just being given one at random.

It also prevents people from having an abortion because their child is male and they wanted a female, or perhaps adding to the orphanages.

Juliette wrote:I'm talking about the procedure that will help us remove defective genes, thus saving billions on health care.

I would support this only if it was a right guaranteed to all citizens and not just those that can afford it. Also only if it is optional and it is proven that the benefit outweighs the risk.

I`m starting to have a strange feeling about this thread.
from "designer babies" we are getting closely to cloning ones super army

It reminds me of the movie demolition man where people in the future stopped having sex and instead started artificially making babies ( takin the male`s sperm and injecting the womans egg) to prevent spread of diseases etc.

Nitro

Dr. House wrote:

Juliette wrote:I'm talking about the procedure that will help us remove defective genes, thus saving billions on health care.

I would support this only if it was a right guaranteed to all citizens and not just those that can afford it. Also only if it is optional and it is proven that the benefit outweighs the risk.

Sometimes you just have to leap into the deep before you discover the true value of a massive scale experiment

Nitro S wrote:I`m starting to have a strange feeling about this thread.
from "designer babies" we are getting closely to cloning ones super army

It reminds me of the movie demolition man where people in the future stopped having sex and instead started artificially making babies ( takin the male`s sperm and injecting the womans egg) to prevent spread of diseases etc.

Nitro

Ohh.. I saw that one fifteen years ago at school. God, what a piss poor movie that was. Or at least the way I remember it.

i dont get what would be wrong for people with histories of autism, multiple sclerosis, hogkins....etc. to screen for these things when they decide to procreate. IF you want to have a boy or girl and you want to pay to have to screen your man seed, that's cool.

IT's when you start to change the zygots genetic code to make your baby taller, smatter, faster.... well enfdowed(lol) that you get into some real ethical problems.

If you got someone to change your genetic code to reflect some characterisc your code lacks. You can't really completely say its "your" child anymore. The new code would be implanted from either a doner or synthetically created. The result would be a child partially or maybe completely without reference to your genetic imprint; Your not the real father anymore and more like a foster parent.

@nitro

watch Gattica; it's much better.

Juliette wrote:Sometimes you just have to leap into the deep before you discover the true value of a massive scale experiment

I don't have a problem with experimentation.

Dr. House wrote:

Juliette wrote:Sometimes you just have to leap into the deep before you discover the true value of a massive scale experiment

I don't have a problem with experimentation.

Your speaking on a sperate issue. plz keep on TOPIC

@Juliette

yeah that movie wasnt anything extra tbh but I made my point

@Thriller

I really gotta download this "Gattica" film....what`s it about???" how to seduce women???

Nitro

its about what were talking about.

i don't seduce women,

they are the seducers and i play along.

Thriller wrote:its about what were talking about.

i don't seduce women,

they are the seducers and i play along.

lol...well if u look as good as the man on your avatar there is no argument with that

Just read a review, sounds very interesting, could have a really strong emotional component in it, will watch it definately

Nitro

This is my new favourite part of the forum. Glad to have so many responses.

I avoided getting the technical details of what is involved in the procedure, and I'm happy to let multiple paths merge into the same issue for the debate.

I was more curious as to how people would respond to the idea of ANY manipulation of human embryos, or selective attributes.

The only arguments against allowing parents to choose the sex of a baby that I think hold any weight are those that argue that as some cultures place a greater importance on a specific sex, it could lead to a major imbalance which would have severe affects on the society. And the other would be abuse, for instance, the sex trade, allowing people who force women into the sex trade, could then selectively breed more women for the same purpose.

And whilst I acknowledge these two arguments, they don't address the core issue, in fact, it raises a wider concern about social and cultural values. Allowing normal parents who say already have two sons, and would like a daughter to then choose that fate, I cannot come up with a single argument.

There is another aspect, as Juliette discussed, 'prada' babies. Arguing that children would be a means, as opposed to an end, for the parents, being used as a status symbol, or fashion accessory. But this is to me the same issue, perhaps you should be questioning people's motives behind having children.

Personally, if I was having a child, I would want mine to have every benefit, healthy, immune to diseases, attractive, intelligent (or at least potential for). I cannot fathom what is wrong for wanting a child to have every advantage possible.

Another thing is saying nature is the best artist. I find this a little misled. Humans as a whole have eradicated natural selection in their own species. Perpetuating cycles of defects. Take the current allergy epidemic, where the vast majority of children have massive allergy issues (peanut butter springs to mind). Without scientific intervention I would say that this is potentially going to get worse.