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Amendment II wrote:A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Iƒrit wrote:many people misunderstand policy in the US, its your god-given right to posses a firearm, not a privillage. We should continue to protect that right even if and when the dim-witted abuse this right. Im not saying that a dim-witted individual should continue to have that right, but that the right should not be removed from others because of a dim-witted individual(s).

Amendment II wrote:A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

[KMA]Avenger wrote:its not the law Per-Se that determines if it is affective...

take 2 US states, state 1 has a law allowing open carry, and state 2 does not, if nobody takes advantage of the fact they can carry a fire arm openly in state 1, then what's the difference going to be between the 2 states? i would hazard very little.
where as if muggers/rapists etc etc etc, know there's a good chance the next person they attack could well be carrying a gun will defo make them think twice, why risk your life when there are other states/cities which don't allow open carry making for easier pickings...unless they couldn't careless for life

[KMA]Avenger wrote:i was talking about an average city with a more than slightly educated populace, not some crime ridden hovel where most people are off their heads on drugs or alcohol (or both) and would sooner shoot you than talk to you.

Thriller wrote:
THan would be cherry picking examples that would only highlight what you want to show.... no very objective.

Thriller wrote:
Also i doubt it would do any good there either.

Rottenking wrote:i want open carry in Australia,

would be practical, being able to go straight from work to the shooting range, altho...i would have to buy a handgun first...dont think a 12 gauge is acceptable for open carry

Thriller wrote:[spoiler]

Iƒrit wrote:many people misunderstand policy in the US, its your god-given right to posses a firearm, not a privillage. We should continue to protect that right even if and when the dim-witted abuse this right. Im not saying that a dim-witted individual should continue to have that right, but that the right should not be removed from others because of a dim-witted individual(s).

Amendment II wrote:A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

[/spoiler]As long as the secound amendment isn't the only part of the constitution your willing to defend, then im cool with that.

Thriller wrote:Open carry doesnt lead to less crime(or carrying any gun around with you, open or not), If this were true, then ghettohs would be safest places on earth.

despite a large body of research, the committee found no credible evidence that the passage of right-to-carry laws decreases or increases violent crime, and there is almost no empirical evidence that the more than 80 prevention programs focused on gun-related violence have had any effect on children’s behaviour, knowledge, attitudes, or beliefs about firearms.

Thriller wrote:You're making up examples to fit your theory that have no basis in reality... sophism at its finest.

Two customers displaying holstered pistols deterred an armed robbery in a Kennesaw Wafflehouse recently.

Matt Brannan and J.P. Mitchell were dining in the Wafflehouse on Barrett Parkway at I-575 in Kennesaw at 4:45 in the morning recently when a scout for an armed robbery crew entered the restaurant to case it. At the time, Matt and J.P. thought he looked a little suspicious, as he was wandering around the small restaurant like he was looking for someone. Unknown to Matt and J.P., two cars full of armed robbers were parked behind the restaurant waiting for the scout's report.

The scout saw that two of the customers were wearing holstered 1911 Springfield Mil-Spec .45 pistols, and he immediately turned and left the store.

Meanwhile, conscientious Cobb County Police Officer D. Lowe had noticed suspicious cars sitting behind the restaurant in the dark and decided to investigate. He caught men with masks and rifles who had been preparing to rob the Wafflehouse. The criminals informed the police that they had changed their mind upon discovering armed customers and were waiting for Matt and J.P. to leave. Ironically, the police car was pulling in to the parking lot just as Matt and J.P. were driving away. In other words, had Matt and J.P. not been armed, the robbery probably would have occurred before the police intervened.

Thriller wrote:okay look, carrying guns around doesn't lead to less crime

Thriller wrote:You can't say it does reduce crime among law abiding citizens, because law abiding people would naturally follow the law... duh...
Also society isn't made up of just law abiding citizens, it's made up of fat ones, short ones, little ones.... blood thirsty psychopaths.... etc

Thriller wrote:so here's the facts
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?isbn= ... 241&page=2

despite a large body of research, the committee found no credible evidence that the passage of right-to-carry laws decreases or increases violent crime, and there is almost no empirical evidence that the more than 80 prevention programs focused on gun-related violence have had any effect on children’s behaviour, knowledge, attitudes, or beliefs about firearms.

Thriller wrote:crime will probably always exist and having bigger boom sticks isn't going to stop it. Unless you decided to nuke everyone on the planet.

Thriller wrote:what open carry does..... is allow pathetic people to carry around their penis extensions on their hip.

Iƒrit wrote:depends on how good their lawyer is

I seriously doubt someone breaking into your house and getting shot or injuring themselves in some way is gonna win a court case, in the united states that is.