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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 2:19 pm
by forgive_me
Amon Ra wrote:From our conversations i know u to be one of the best tacticans in the game do u really want one more tactical aspect of the game removed ?

well thats the thing it wass never intended by the admins as a tactic for one simple reason...u need suporter status to do this....so not every player can do this....
tactics...real tactics are dose afordable and posible to any and every player.....but this i or u or more then 3/4 of the players can not do ...so its not a tactic.....it wass intendet as help....but it bacame a way of play....and users are depending on it....and that means they are not actualy playng.....

i admire u fox for 2 things....
1) being able to see that this can be used for someting in his favor
2) for being able to gater the amount of units u have

but i also think that if u fox and Replijake continue with this mode of playng u have no fairplay and above this in my eyes u become just like most see elusive......because u actualy use a PAYD thing to advance u and Replijake along the ranks.....

Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 2:29 pm
by RepliJake
Well, I suppose I could put in an apearence, this is not all Fox. We came up with a strategy that is based on team work... Aliances have been encouraged by all, in this game... There is a good reason for everyone to not have this ability... multiples would completely ruin the game... We are clearly not untouchable as you can see by the rankings...


For the record... I was in the top ten BEFORE we devised this tactic...


Jake

Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 2:32 pm
by forgive_me
I Replicate wrote:So, if its so unfair and cheap, and cant be beat according to you...
explain this:
_Apophis__ 1 ????? Goa'uld ????? Naquadah
ELUSIVE 2 ????? Tauri ????? Naquadah

Fox 3 ????? Replicator ????? Naquadah
THE SAZ 4 ????? Goa'uld ????? Naquadah
Replijake 5 ????? Replicator ????? Naquadah

Those three seem to be doing well with their own unique strats...

yes u are corect .......haw did Replijake got in the top 5????frue tactics?or with the help of fox's units????anser this......

and if u want more prouf (with the permision of the ones above and in the first 23 positions) il show u that actualy Replijake hase the smalest armie there...and 2 days ago he had the bigest and fox got the smallest.....and fox attackd widowt losing units...now Replijake attacks because the units are at fox........and this repeats every couple of days....this is not tactics...this is just using someting ment to give a hand to the extreame......i woud call it abuse...but its a to stronger word(as fox sad...its not abuse....but its at the limit)......

i dont know if there will someting done in this mather.....afterall u want elusive broken down...but u know the sayng...be carful wath u wish for.......u never know who takes his place....

Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 2:34 pm
by I Replicate
And one thing that set RepliJake and Fox apart from Elusive is one thing:
Replijake+Fox contributions: $40 total
Elusive: ... hundreds of $$$$$$


If Elusive is taken down, and Fox takes his place (or even if apophis does) I would be happy. Fox/Repliajke's tactics didnt begin till long after Elusive came around with his cheap strat. So just consider their strat a counter strat if you want. It is plenty fair.

$20 is not that much. Other online games ask for a lot more to get bonuses... If you cant pay $20, the enjoy the game. If you can, even if its just once, there should be some advantage for doing so...

Personally, I dont have a credit card and cant use paypal, and would like an alternate means of paying, such as an PO Box or something to send a money order to... it would take longer for bonuses to be applied, but more people would be able to do that, including me...

Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 2:36 pm
by forgive_me
replijake wrote:There is a good reason for everyone to not have this ability... multiples would completely ruin the game...
yes its caled cash ,money,bani,dinero,$.......anything else?

Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 2:41 pm
by forgive_me
I Replicate wrote:And one thing that set RepliJake and Fox apart from Elusive is one thing:
Replijake+Fox contributions: $40 total
Elusive: ... hundreds of $$$$$$

$20 is not that much. Other online games ask for a lot more to get bonuses... If you cant pay $20, the enjoy the game. If you can, even if its just once, there should be some advantage for doing so...

Personally, I dont have a credit card and cant use paypal, and would like an alternate means of paying, such as an PO Box or something to send a money order to... it would take longer for bonuses to be applied, but more people would be able to do that, including me...

and wats the diference......if u paid hundreds of $$$$$$ or 20$.....theyr "tactic" is still are highly dependet on that $ that they paid........so its no tactic......


but this is not the point ....the point is that it is exploited ......and there shud be a limit of units someone can RECIEVE from suporter status members..........so who want this and who dont....a simple yes no and then the explination is enouf......

Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 2:42 pm
by RepliJake
Forgive_me.... feel free to carry on flaming fox or myself, I have explained, I do not need to defend myself...

And just so you know, I actualy paid for ultimate supporter a long time ago, that's $50 and I also paid a further $10 dollars because I work and I can, I have paid more than that to buy games before... and I want to help to make it better... I am not trying to buy a rank...

Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 2:42 pm
by I Replicate
forgive me wrote:yes its caled cash ,money,bani,dinero,$.......anything else?

Actually, there are many more names for money, but thats not the point.
Obviously, if you have access to the internet, its most likely at home. So you therefore have a decent computer, enough money to pay for internet, and can easily save up and pay 20$. It might take a few weeks, but do yard work for someone else, or babysit or something. Get a job $20 is easily made in a few hours of work. Not being able to afford it is called laziness

Sorry, but this is what I have to do to get anything I want. I have no patience for people who want things to go their way and not doing anything for it.

Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 2:48 pm
by forgive_me
replijake wrote:Forgive_me.... feel free to carry on flaming fox or myself, I have explained, I do not need to defend myself...

And just so you know, I actualy paid for ultimate supporter a long time ago, that's $50 and I also paid a further $10 dollars because I work and I can, I have paid more than that to buy games before... and I want to help to make it better... I am not trying to buy a rank...

as i sad befor i consider that subject closed....



this is wath i am interested in...is a sugestion that
WONT EVECT SUPORTER STATUS.....
it will efect all users....the suporter status states....
Ability to transfer Untrained Soldiers to any other player

well u will still can...but every user will be able to receve 500 units /day.......but u as a suporter coud transfer 10000 units....but to 20 diferent users....so it dose not need modifications.....all the modifications woud be to all the users....

so replijake do u want to make the game beter....? more echuel....more balenced?...wath do u think about the sugestion i made?

Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 2:50 pm
by I Replicate
forgive_me wrote:so who want this and who dont....a simple yes no and then the explination is enouf......


No, I dont want any limits.

I have already explained why in my above posts, but short summary:

THey paid, they got benifits from that money. $20 can be made in four hours with minimum wage. If you feel its unfair, get a job and work like others have to do. It may be a strat the works very well, but its just a strategy, and its not perfect. It leaves one of them open... they may still be powerful, but if you think about it...
im saying too much...
Anyway, if you dont like it, "suck it up and move on"... actually, that saying is in latin, but then you couldnt understand it :P I love it though...

Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 2:54 pm
by RepliJake
now that would cause the exploitation you speak of... all the people that have multiple accounts... and there are allot would transfer all the units from the accounts they farm or whatever.... and then you have this feature not beig used for team work...

Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 2:59 pm
by forgive_me
I Replicate wrote:Actually, there are many more names for money, but thats not the point.
Obviously, if you have access to the internet, its most likely at home.

colege actualy but not the point.....
I Replicate wrote:So you therefore have a decent computer,

if u cal a celeron at 433Mhz with 128 SDRAM,8M video and 10Gb HDD and that only works on linux sistem disent then yes i have a dicent computer
I Replicate wrote:enough money to pay for internet,

its oferd free by the colege i am.....
I Replicate wrote:and can easily save up and pay 20$. It might take a few weeks, but do yard work for someone else, or babysit or something. Get a job $20 is easily made in a few hours of work.

the averege salary in my country is lower than i think....and 20$ its a lot....a LOT.......puting it in days of work its about 13-15 days work at averege salary......
I Replicate wrote: Not being able to afford it is called laziness

if u say so i woud want to see u haw u do in my country........
I Replicate wrote:Sorry, but this is what I have to do to get anything I want. I have no patience for people who want things to go their way and not doing anything for it.
i do everithing to get wath i want ....and most times i do get it........but as i sad...its not the point........the point is explaind in a previos post.....

Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 3:04 pm
by forgive_me
replijake wrote:now that would cause the exploitation you speak of... all the people that have multiple accounts... and there are allot would transfer all the units from the accounts they farm or whatever.... and then you have this feature not beig used for team work...
it woud still cost to transfer units...it woud just be limited the number of units receved /day by a user......and this is quite undarstandeble......so u coud still have the "team work"....but a more limited team work......just split the units in 2,3,4.......parts.....each for a member...........u coud transfer 5k units but it woud take u 10 days....wich is enouf not to be exploited.....

Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 5:47 pm
by I Replicate
forgive me wrote:the averege salary in my country is lower than i think....and 20$ its a lot....a LOT.......puting it in days of work its about 13-15 days work at averege salary......
if u say so i woud want to see u haw u do in my country........


Well, first, what is 'your country'
Second, if you make only $20 working two weeks... well, thats not nearly enough to live on or go to college or anything like that. It may be $20 in your country's currency, but it may be worth a little more in us $... again, I dont know what country your from, so have no clue how to counter your argument.
Third, which is hard to argue because it depends what country your in, but college costs money in most countries... perhaps not yours, which is why its really hard to argue with you if you just say 'my country' and dont give specifics
Fourth, I wouldn't like to live anywhere else but here in the US. We have many problems, but the world has even more...

The count is so far:
For reducing/eliminating unit transfer: 1
Against: 2

Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 6:07 pm
by rdb
I don't agree to limiting it but I'm an officer of Fox so I'm biased I guess
Also is the donation in US currency