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Re: Israel hints Jerusalem compromise in peace talks
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 6:29 am
by Hitchkok
[KMA]Avenger wrote:and your attitude here further proves my point...you are indeed your own worst enemy/nightmare. your problem is the exact same one your leadership suffers from, you have no desire to wake up from your nightmare. the trouble with that is, others are paying the price for your nightmare.
Re: Israel hints Jerusalem compromise in peace talks
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 6:40 am
by [KMA]Avenger
i told you you wouldn't understand, thanks for proving me correct yet again.
what's really telling here is the fact you haven't been able to counter the article or any of my opinions, all you have done for the past few replies is be cryptic and trying to look smart...let me tell you something, you only succeed in looking like an ignorant smartarse, and that's EXACTLY how your nation comes across on the worlds geopolitical stage. and just like your nations leaders, you have said and done nothing that can be considered here-a solution.
Re: Israel hints Jerusalem compromise in peace talks
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 7:16 am
by Hitchkok
No.
here's what's really telling here:
Thriller wrote: I will not make any accusations in the thread and only discuss possible solutions here with any interested in doing so.
Thriller wrote:This is not a thread to make accusations and place blame.
This is a thread where we dicuss what solutions might result in a lasting peace.
Hypothetical ones included.
[KMA]Avenger wrote:Thriller wrote:This is not a thread to make accusations and place blame.
This is a thread where we dicuss what solutions might result in a lasting peace.
Hypothetical ones included.
wasn't looking to place blame....
talking hypothetically, Israel could take a less aggressive stance,
and fess up to what they've done.
[KMA]Avenger wrote:2 key points mate. 1st is, Israel is an aggressive Regime, peace is not in an aggressive regimes vocabulary. 2, if Israel truly wants peace, then because they are so aggressive makes them the architects of their own problems in finding a peaceful solution.
i see the situation like this, Israel is smashing itself in the head with a hammer and complaining of a headache, all the while ignoring what its hands are doing....if that makes any sense?!
anyways, in short, they are their own worst enemy and nothing short of total honesty on Israels part will make the situation better...how likely is that to happen?
I hope that's straightforward enough for you.
Re: Israel hints Jerusalem compromise in peace talks
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:17 pm
by Thriller
Looks like Pol Pot Avenger is at it again
Don't play the blame game avenger, i want this thread to be in the spirit on moving on from who is responsible for what kind of discussion.
Here are some questions for those interested.
What would be a fair comprise for lifting the embargo?
What kind of government should palestine adopt to satify both sides?
How could a joint enforcement body be established to elliminate terrosim in the region?
How can arbitrary checkpoints be illimated?
There are more areas here in the conflict that need agreement (these are off teh top of my head.)
There needs to be a trust established, guilt triping is counter productive to that goal
Re: Israel hints Jerusalem compromise in peace talks
Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 1:03 am
by [KMA]Avenger
i'm NOT playing anything, but how can you SERIOUSLY discuss solutions without first acknowledging the fact Israel is obviously not interested in solutions...maybe i'm dumb but how can you do that? maybe you can explain it to me?!
there's an old saying, once bitten twice shy, you'd think that bombing people with the result it creates hatred and new terrorists organisations, you would think twice before doing it again, let alone for the umpteenth time.
as i said originally, Israel is its own worst enemy.
BUT, if you want another hypothetical solution to this problem, how quickly would Israel run to the negotiation table and do their best to hammer out an agreement if all foreign financial and military aid going to Israel was cut as well as UN and international sanctions on Israel?
i don't solely blame Israel, the problem i have with Israel is that the nation and its leadership are incapable of admitting when they are wrong. but i also blame the west for backing them when they are wrong.
Re: Israel hints Jerusalem compromise in peace talks
Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 6:25 am
by King Pimp
The only solution is for America to offer full citizenship to all the Palestinians and ship them to the Nevada desert and have them occupy a new city built for the Palestinians.
Both sides have bad fanatics so apart from the above there is no solution... Israel and the Palestinians will never see eye to eye and history has proven that time and time again.
Israel say its there promised land so the British kick the Palestinians in the butt and give the land to the Jews who where shipped there from around the world... Like WTH..
I think its best to have a topic and discussion about something that matters like where are the best strip clubs in town...
Re: Israel hints Jerusalem compromise in peace talks
Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 7:57 am
by [KMA]Avenger
King Pimp wrote:The only solution is for America to offer full citizenship to all the Palestinians and ship them to the Nevada desert and have them occupy a new city built for the Palestinians.
Both sides have bad fanatics so apart from the above there is no solution... Israel and the Palestinians will never see eye to eye and history has proven that time and time again.
Israel say its there promised land so the British kick the Palestinians in the butt and give the land to the Jews who where shipped there from around the world... Like WTH..
I think its best to have a topic and discussion about something that matters like where are the best strip clubs in town...
lol!
Re: Israel hints Jerusalem compromise in peace talks
Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:00 am
by Thriller
That all depends on what town you were thinking of.
Looks like my thread failed though.. I don't think I'm gong to talk on this matter anymore here.
Re: Israel hints Jerusalem compromise in peace talks
Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:06 am
by [KMA]Avenger
it failed because as i said, you cant talk solutions until you and Hitch first admit its not what Israel wants.
Re: Israel hints Jerusalem compromise in peace talks
Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:10 am
by Thriller
Some people there want solutions...
I don't know how anyone can experience that kind of violence and not want it to end.
Re: Israel hints Jerusalem compromise in peace talks
Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:18 am
by [KMA]Avenger
that's the first thing you have said i agree with
to the normal person on the street, peace would be FAAR more preferable (well, maybe not to people like Hitchkok) considering violence hasn't worked thus far, maybe after both sides have wiped each other out its leadership (on both sides) will consider something as radical as peace talks.
Re: Israel hints Jerusalem compromise in peace talks
Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:26 am
by Thriller
I just posted an article outlining a solution in the peace talks that are now being held......
I know you have different ideas about how government works. But they are under alot of international pressure to Reolve the issue. This is compounded by pressure inside the region from groups like Courage to Refuse and Peace Now.
Re: Israel hints Jerusalem compromise in peace talks
Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:36 am
by [KMA]Avenger
sorry but i cant help but think that all the pressure in the world wil;l be for naught WITHOUT Israel being forced by refusing them anymore aid until such time they put forth workable suggestions.
Re: Israel hints Jerusalem compromise in peace talks
Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:45 am
by Thriller
yah, Good suggesting, like what they proposed in the article i quoted.
As for aid.. I think they are paying their own bills now. But you'd have to ask hitch what there economy is like. I would imagin they probably have a considerable dept from keeping up their military and the droughts they have suffered.
Re: Israel hints Jerusalem compromise in peace talks
Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 9:15 am
by J I X
[KMA]Avenger wrote:i would also gladly discuss solutions IF, i thought Israel's (not pointing fingers at the people) leadership was interested in solutions which they are not, so isn't this kind of a moot point?
not trying to spoil your discussion but you may as well discuss fairy's at the bottom of the garden, or pots of gold at the end of every rainbow.
from what i've seen of your topics that would be right up your street.
on topic:
trying to divide a city like jerusalem would be hard and in my opinion only if a neutrak force like the un policed it.