Re: Congradz High Empty
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 7:39 am
If it were cheating then admin would remove the option to buy for others?Mercury Rising wrote:its not a tactic. its cheating in my opinion.
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High Empty, mastermind or a glitch exploiter?
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Re: Congradz High Empty
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 7:56 am
Jason... wrote:If it were cheating then admin would remove the option to buy for others?Mercury Rising wrote:its not a tactic. its cheating in my opinion.
You should be able to buy for others. But there should be a confirmation button so the player can choose to accept the goods or not.
Re: Congradz High Empty
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 7:56 am
didnt admin orignaly have a limit that you could only buy up to rank 8 with $$?
Re: Congradz High Empty
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 8:00 am
ph30nix wrote:didnt admin orignaly have a limit that you could only buy up to rank 8 with $$?
Free ascension yes. What this infusion bonus had gotten me was 48 hours PPT. What I should've gotten was 48 hours PPT + 1,5k ATs + ~6 mil units + 2QT naq. Everything done correctly - that'd get me level 13 a few hours ago.
~Jack
Re: Congradz High Empty
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 8:08 am
Mercury Rising wrote:Jason... wrote:If it were cheating then admin would remove the option to buy for others?Mercury Rising wrote:its not a tactic. its cheating in my opinion.
You should be able to buy for others. But there should be a confirmation button so the player can choose to accept the goods or not.
Oops, I was wrong.
[spoiler]Agreed, there should be a checkbox to accept donations from others, as I believe this same issue happened in main a few years back and it was put in it for that reason.[/spoiler] While not cheating, it is one of the most underhanded ways to screw someone in game.
Re: Congradz High Empty
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 8:12 am
In main---> Save them 50 $ to buy Naq?
Re: Congradz High Empty
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:48 pm
An awesome tactic...
And for the record Jack, You should thank me for your bank size increase
Re: Congradz High Empty
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 11:52 pm
Ace1102 wrote::lol:
An awesome tactic...
And for the record Jack, You should thank me for your bank size increase
lol
Congratz HE, all's fair in love and war... i there's nothing to do now but to get on with the game... the USS's this era have given those that have purchased them a stupidly huge lead and thus the only reason that anyone was this close to lvl 13 as soon as they were.
game on.
High Empty, mastermind or a glitch exploiter?
Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 4:09 am
High Empty, one of the "SGW elite", at least so it seems. He's won many eras and by the looks of it, he's gonna win this one too.
At what cost? 400+$$ per era and, if that wasn't enough, by exploiting game glitches.
When High Empty got his USS this week, needless to say how I was screwed over by him so he'd have a better chance, he has exploited an income bug. I know how this happened, but I don't want anyone copying his exploit so I won't tell it publicly while I do intend to message admin about it.
Lets do some maths..UP gives you 1,5 days of your units. High Empty had about 3,2 mil raw (give or take a few k) before he used USS. That's 4,8 mil units (give or take a few k). When he got USS he jumped to 5,4 mil army size with 600k being mercs, I believe.
He also got 1,6-1,7QT naq with 0 miners. How is that possible, without exploiting the income bug that comes with ascending, as his income should have been 0 if he has no UUs and no miners?
Even IF, and I express, IF, HE had 600k miners instead of 600k mercs which I believe was the case, thus he had to wait longer to do his 12th ascension, that would have given him an income of about 1,5T naq. 250*1,5T = 375T naq that the USS would have given him.
So how exactly did he come up with another 1,3 QT naq, if he was turn farmed before, even sabbed and constantly kept increasing his UP with every naq he could spare?
The answer is simple. Before he ascended to level 11 he had about 7 mil army size. That gave him about 7T naq per turn. 250 turns of income*7,5T=1,875 QT naq. Give or take a few T due to income being rounded to 7T.
So he bought USS after he ascended while his income didn't drop.
Ok so what if he ascended, used his market bonus, then got USS (which would get him about same amount of naq)?
No. He used his market bonus after he ascended 12th time to get to 13th in a turn or two. Even if we ignored this fact, he would have gone on PPT with 10 mil army size instead of 5,4 like he has.
Those that defended him buying me infusion bonus to get me out of the race, are you sure you did the right thing by defending and supporting a bug exploiter?
What costed HE to win this era? Getting fed 145T from bebita, getting ~5 USSs and buying me infusion bonus, one of the lowest tactics and on top of all he even had to exploit bugs to surpass me and win the era, just for #1 spot at the end instead of #2?
I'll leave you to decide for yourself, is High Empty a mastermind or a plain old cheater with some basic math skills and too many $$ on paypal.
Andrew, I've lost all respect for you whatsoever and am sorry I held you in such high regards. You were a good player, with past simple tense being justified.
Those that don't believe me, if you've seen his naq out and army and ascension level, and actually paid some attention to his account, do the numbers by yourselves and you'll come to the same conclusion as I have.
~Jack
At what cost? 400+$$ per era and, if that wasn't enough, by exploiting game glitches.
When High Empty got his USS this week, needless to say how I was screwed over by him so he'd have a better chance, he has exploited an income bug. I know how this happened, but I don't want anyone copying his exploit so I won't tell it publicly while I do intend to message admin about it.
Lets do some maths..UP gives you 1,5 days of your units. High Empty had about 3,2 mil raw (give or take a few k) before he used USS. That's 4,8 mil units (give or take a few k). When he got USS he jumped to 5,4 mil army size with 600k being mercs, I believe.
He also got 1,6-1,7QT naq with 0 miners. How is that possible, without exploiting the income bug that comes with ascending, as his income should have been 0 if he has no UUs and no miners?
Even IF, and I express, IF, HE had 600k miners instead of 600k mercs which I believe was the case, thus he had to wait longer to do his 12th ascension, that would have given him an income of about 1,5T naq. 250*1,5T = 375T naq that the USS would have given him.
So how exactly did he come up with another 1,3 QT naq, if he was turn farmed before, even sabbed and constantly kept increasing his UP with every naq he could spare?
The answer is simple. Before he ascended to level 11 he had about 7 mil army size. That gave him about 7T naq per turn. 250 turns of income*7,5T=1,875 QT naq. Give or take a few T due to income being rounded to 7T.
So he bought USS after he ascended while his income didn't drop.
Ok so what if he ascended, used his market bonus, then got USS (which would get him about same amount of naq)?
No. He used his market bonus after he ascended 12th time to get to 13th in a turn or two. Even if we ignored this fact, he would have gone on PPT with 10 mil army size instead of 5,4 like he has.
Those that defended him buying me infusion bonus to get me out of the race, are you sure you did the right thing by defending and supporting a bug exploiter?
What costed HE to win this era? Getting fed 145T from bebita, getting ~5 USSs and buying me infusion bonus, one of the lowest tactics and on top of all he even had to exploit bugs to surpass me and win the era, just for #1 spot at the end instead of #2?
I'll leave you to decide for yourself, is High Empty a mastermind or a plain old cheater with some basic math skills and too many $$ on paypal.
Andrew, I've lost all respect for you whatsoever and am sorry I held you in such high regards. You were a good player, with past simple tense being justified.
Those that don't believe me, if you've seen his naq out and army and ascension level, and actually paid some attention to his account, do the numbers by yourselves and you'll come to the same conclusion as I have.
~Jack
Re: High Empty, mastermind or a glitch exploiter?
Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 5:27 am
merged, keep it to one thread Jack
Re: High Empty, mastermind or a glitch exploiter?
Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 5:57 am
i did see him ascend than use USS and still get a **Filtered** tn of naq XD
Re: High Empty, mastermind or a glitch exploiter?
Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 6:27 am
I have heard that the "income glitch" is not actually a glitch but a game feature similar to some other things which seem to be glitches, however I (and those who have told me) could be wrong. I have seen at least one other use it in game before though.
Re: High Empty, mastermind or a glitch exploiter?
Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 6:38 am
then why your income is set to 0 if you change % you give to officers, or if you change your realm alert lvl?
Re: High Empty, mastermind or a glitch exploiter?
Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 6:53 am
nimious wrote:then why your income is set to 0 if you change % you give to officers, or if you change your realm alert lvl?
Having an officer is not mandatory, so that's not exactly a valid reason.
And I'm checking on the other one in 2 turns.
Re: High Empty, mastermind or a glitch exploiter?
Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 6:54 am
knight wrote:nimious wrote:then why your income is set to 0 if you change % you give to officers, or if you change your realm alert lvl?
Having an officer is not mandatory, so that's not exactly a valid reason.
And I'm checking on the other one in 2 turns.
Changing realm alert does as well. I ascended and went to change it to none from critical figuring I could get 1 last good turn of income out of it and it reset my income to 0.
