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The Cardinal wrote:

Jedi~Tank wrote:**Make vac usable 1nce per month, or maybe twice per month and if you do vac you must stay on it for a minimum of 1 week instead of 24hrs.

i kind of agree but what if your only going away for like say 3-5 days

5 days only means an extra 2 days out the game but for 3 days it's unfair unless he made it so you could ppt for 4 days using the 2 as an accumulator

I agree, Easy^ suggested about a year ago that you should be able to set off a 4 day PPT, that way a minimum of 5 days on vacation would be fair.

Jedi~Tank wrote:

KnowLedge wrote:

Jedi~Tank wrote:I dont want the playing field leveled..why bring laziness up and hard workers down?

maybe cause this is supposed to be an online game where people dont have to sit in front of a computer all day to make progress? you are not supposed to put hardwork in a computer game <-- just my opinion though..

Hard work is a metaphor be serious..still there are objectives obtained through the completion of tasks so I ask again, why bring laziness up and hard workers down? its stupid

Whats this laziness ( or having a RL ) argument got to do with abusing vacation mode ?

dazman wrote:

KnowLedge wrote:

Jedi~Tank wrote:I dont want the playing field leveled..why bring laziness up and hard workers down?

maybe cause this is supposed to be an online game where people dont have to sit in front of a computer all day to make progress? you are not supposed to put hardwork in a computer game <-- just my opinion though..

Why not? That's like saying you don't put hard work into other games, or even sports.....

Competition is competition. And GW's is very competitive.

I dont think a Sports analogy works, not unless you consider $$$ spending to be the equivalent of taking steroids.

Baxter wrote:i think a month is too long a time to wait to go on vac if an emergency arrises after you've already been on vac (i know that its probably rare, but i think that it could/would/does happen)
a week or two makes sure that its not just the 1 day but ensures that the PPT + vac isnt abused

and i do think that alliance PPT should count as a PPT for vacs at least

Even now you have to wait 24 hours so you cant react instantly to a RL emergency, and Im sure if you emailed admin and said 'I have a genuine RL emergency please vacation my account until I return' they would do so.




Point is Vacation and PPT were originally intended to allow breaks from the game for RL without leaving your account as an easy unattended target, NOT a way to let you generate resources without ever being vulnerable.

Okay I think what Daz is saying here is that if someone uses vacation, 2 PPTs a week and alliance PPT is that they are only vulnerable for 12 hours a week at the most. Less once you include $$ PPTs.

Now alliance PPT doesn't affect Vacation (it used to but it doesn't any more), $$ PPT - that's the one hour black market PPTs - doesn't affect vacation but your two 48 hour PPTs do affect the time you can go on vacation.

That really cuts down the amount of time you are off PPT/Vacation and are vulnerable to be massed or to mass.

On the other hand, I don't think that upping the vacation time is a good solution though as the two days is good and the issue here is not vacation, not really, the issue is the amount of readily available PPT and how LONG you can be on it each week.

If it is the market PPTs (when buying resources with cash) that are the problem, then why not fix it.

So, instead of getting an hours PPT when you buy something (can be stretched to 1.5), why not just give no PPT, and instead put the resources in an additional broker? Or some button like we had with the Christmas gift. Then there's no need for a PPT, and if you need it to manage the resouces, you should have saved one of your own, or use an alliance PPT.

Tekki wrote:Okay I think what Daz is saying here is that if someone uses vacation, 2 PPTs a week and alliance PPT is that they are only vulnerable for 12 hours a week at the most. Less once you include $$ PPTs.

Now alliance PPT doesn't affect Vacation (it used to but it doesn't any more), $$ PPT - that's the one hour black market PPTs - doesn't affect vacation but your two 48 hour PPTs do affect the time you can go on vacation.

That really cuts down the amount of time you are off PPT/Vacation and are vulnerable to be massed or to mass.

On the other hand, I don't think that upping the vacation time is a good solution though as the two days is good and the issue here is not vacation, not really, the issue is the amount of readily available PPT and how LONG you can be on it each week.

Exactly right Tekki.
The root cause of the problem is the recent house updates that give alliances an additional 12 hours PPT a week and the Alliance repair functions. Not the vacation setting itself.

Case 1:
Few yers ago to set Vacation mode was not a problem whenever you wanted... minute after PPT, second after using Attack button.
Than the case with snipers came, one empire found the grave and cryed to Jason.
But I agree, it was not good setup.
So one day period was given, and problem solved.

Case 2:
Game came to the lvl, when snipers were able to fight whole allainces and were untouchable.
Many players cryed to Jason and he made soem updates.
Those updates helped for very short period.

Case 3:
Snipers found the way how to be more effective again and were able to mass whole allaicnes again... Lol. Smart ass
Players cryed to Jason and he made another updates.
Thi came to allaicne PPTs and allaince repairs, when active players can defend inactive statbuilders in allaince or sleeping friends.
The game mechanics and some players found the system where well organized allaince cant be massed. (here I want to tell, Houses are very useles factor for this game)
It brought us to "The Age of Covert LVL"

Case 4:
Many players boosted account and "beasts" were born.
Many players were crying about them.
Many failed massings made many massers cry.
There were few players in last 2 years who were using 48 PPT + some $$ PPTs and vacations to protect own account.
I am using this tactic to amuse some players, and kept the defence more tahn 7 months, in many vendetas, few wars.

Well... now ppl came to this forum to cry again, because what tey cryed about last time moved the game forward, liek suualy, and made them cry again... like usualy.

In last few years I always wrote "Jason can make updates, but players are smart. Every time we will fin the easy way how to Do What We want To Do and To Reach What We Want To Reach".

From beginning, this last updates, houses, allaicne repairs and allaicen PPTs... I hated them.
Its all stupid.
But everyone who is posting here is using it.
So dear players, learn oen thing... whenever you will cry about some game mechanics, Jaosn will bring new updates, and you will cry again.

Tekki wrote:Now alliance PPT doesn't affect Vacation (it used to but it doesn't any more), $$ PPT - that's the one hour black market PPTs - doesn't affect vacation but your two 48 hour PPTs do affect the time you can go on vacation.

Well... Alliance PPT affects all members, but only leader, 2nd and 3th IC can use it. The rest of members have no idea if that PPT will be or wont be used, or when, for how long. Allaince PPT shouldnt affect setting Vacation mode.

$$ PPT - never before knew it can be used before setting vacation. And its totaly against logic. It should have same effect as 48h PPT.

Than problem is fixed!

Jedi~Tank wrote:**Keep alliance PPT's as is YES

**Reduce the $$ PPT's to 1 turn instead of 60min..no matter when you bought it during a turn..it expires at the change. NO! Jees how you can write this?

**Make vac usable 1nce per month, or maybe twice per month and if you do vac you must stay on it for a minimum of 1 week instead of 24hrs.

Red written wrote C2

Jedi~Tank wrote:I dont want the playing field leveled..why bring laziness up and hard workers down?

You cant think this for real! Or can you?!

lol C2, much as I dont agree with you or anyone using the vacation mode this way ( funny right now to watch but not funny when someone does it to you ), I cant find fault in anything you just posted, one bad update after another to satisfy and benefit the few Admin listens too.

MEZZANINE wrote:lol C2, much as I dont agree with you or anyone using the vacation mode this way ( funny right now to watch but not funny when someone does it to you ), I cant find fault in anything you just posted, one bad update after another to satisfy and benefit the few Admin listens too.

I hate hiding as well... just saw it in past many times. So wanna show some ppl whats the taste. Seems those dont liek it and want the Change.

And lets remove the stupid alliacne repairs and alliance PPTs.
Or lets make it 100 times more expensive, its funny how 6b allaince naq can set PPT or how 2b allaince Naq can reapir weapons... If many times costs would be 1 - 20T naq... isnt that funny?

And get the game back to rails!

there are some good ideas posted and none insignificant..I think collectively we might be able to come to a solution that is presentable to Jason..keep posting the scenarios.

Jedi~Tank
Gonna get ya

Jedi~Tank wrote:LOL no comment..sooo back on topic, there are some good ideas posted and none insignificant..I think collectively we might be able to come to a solution that is presentable to Jason..keep posting the scenarios.

Jedi~Tank
Gonna get ya

How about when you have any sort of ppt, attack, your cant hit ppt? Like it should be...

I think its money ppts that you can hit vac after, cause Couzens will set a ppt when im not around, I come back and find out he set ppt, it wont let me vac...

So usually have to leave alliance and wait 24hrs.. Dont use the blackmarket to know how it works..

Alliance ppt and $$ ppt do not effect vac, only the market tunr PPT's do.

Jedi~Tank wrote:Alliance ppt and $$ ppt do not effect vac, only the market tunr PPT's do.

Alliance ppts do, cause Ive never been able to vac after alliance ppts...

Edit: Course I when I tried to vac, I did leave the ppt by spying someone and then it said I had been on ppt...

- Vac once per month
- Have alliance PPT affect vac mode for 48 hours (cool down period)
- Have $$ ppt affect vac mode for 48 hours (cool down period)


Last 2 would add a little negative side effect to ppt usage for money spenders and alliance players, but it instantly levels the abuse potential.

As a positive, perhaps make double and half ppt possible to counter balance.

- 1/2 market bonus times 4 (96 hours ppt in a row, 2 mts worth)
- 1/2 market bonus times 1 (24 hours ppt, able to do 4 of these per week, 0.5 mt worth)

- Have alliance PPT affect vac mode for 48 hours (cool down period)

This hardly seem fair. You plan to go on a long weekend vacation, and 10 hours before you leave (you've waited like 20 already without attacking) your alliance leader sets PPT...

And the PPT variations would just allow for 12 day stints on PPT. Use 2 MTs on PPT 24 hours before reset, gets you 3 days into the next week. Use another 2 MTs to PPT again, gets you to market reset. Use 2 MTs AGAIN, get you to 12 days PPT run. You then wait 24 hours, and go on vacation for almost 2 weeks, to come off, and PPT again for another 12 days

Jedi~Tank wrote:

caesar2 wrote:

MEZZANINE wrote:lol C2, much as I dont agree with you or anyone using the vacation mode this way ( funny right now to watch but not funny when someone does it to you ), I cant find fault in anything you just posted, one bad update after another to satisfy and benefit the few Admin listens too.

I hate hiding as well... just saw it in past many times. So wanna show some ppl whats the taste. Seems those dont liek it and want the Change.

Jedi~Tank wrote:So stop crying and play

Right!
And lets remove the stupid alliacne repairs and alliance PPTs.
Or lets make it 100 times more expensive, its funny how 6b allaince naq can set PPT or how 2b allaince Naq can reapir weapons... If many times costs would be 1 - 20T naq... isnt that funny?

And get the game back to rails!

Ya'll squakin about hiding..thats was a famous tactic done on your side of the fence..and you also made sniping the way to play..and who are these people that cried about these new uodates? Your side of the fence as well..I think you ought t0 go mass thier sorry asses for the grief they have caused you I know I will...again MFC? Who are you? Hell you stayed beat down last go round because you couldnt handle it..you want more boi?

In history all these hiding tactics came from Your side, if you want to make the difference between factions.
Your side was protecting one player during server war, he kept going vacation every week.
After last updates I wrote many times its all done to make a "statbuilder heaven"
I demonstrated it well with my own account.
Now am demonstarting how stupid game mechanics are.
I never cryed about updates, I never like updates.
All I want to say, whenever ppl came to Jason with complains, it moved game mechanics forward, and later another players cryed.
This case is the same.

I say, $$ PPT should count to vacation period, alliance PPT not, cuse it affects more players than those who are using the button.

All the theroy around this thema is just stupid whining.

Sarevok wrote:- Have alliance PPT affect vac mode for 48 hours (cool down period)

This hardly seem fair. You plan to go on a long weekend vacation, and 10 hours before you leave (you've waited like 20 already without attacking) your alliance leader sets PPT...

And the PPT variations would just allow for 12 day stints on PPT. Use 2 MTs on PPT 24 hours before reset, gets you 3 days into the next week. Use another 2 MTs to PPT again, gets you to market reset. Use 2 MTs AGAIN, get you to 12 days PPT run. You then wait 24 hours, and go on vacation for almost 2 weeks, to come off, and PPT again for another 12 days

48 hours cool down.

edit: Being in an alliance has advantages, and disadvantages.


And perhaps make it so that 3/4 of the ppt worth gets spent within the week the MTs are used. So you could only use 24 hours from last weeks ppt to use within the next.

Would be nice to suggest a sollution instead of just poking holes in peoples ideas.