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Kikaz wrote:How about strike gets sabbed first then defense?
Forum wrote:it was pointed out that massing is a failing pasttime... as sabbing is overriding it by too much.
Both massing and sabbing should be required...how to do that?
answer: sab works on attack weapons. just attack weapons.
to get def weapons, one must mass them down...
makes sense! going to happen... if i cannot think of a good reason not to
Tekki wrote:Kikaz wrote:How about strike gets sabbed first then defense?
Currently it does in certain situations.
Rudy Pena wrote:Forum wrote:it was pointed out that massing is a failing pasttime... as sabbing is overriding it by too much.
Both massing and sabbing should be required...how to do that?
answer: sab works on attack weapons. just attack weapons.
to get def weapons, one must mass them down...
makes sense! going to happen... if i cannot think of a good reason not to
Who came to you to ask this? And what were there reasons? As massing is "NOT A FAILING PASTTIME". Why should 1 person come to you to change the game, so that person can keep there defense. I and many others want to know who and what were there reasons for coming to you and having you do this.
This will be just like perg where a while back people had big defs and high covert and 10 massive income planets.
This will be the same as perg. All people have to do is build 200mil def supers and 200mil def mercs, 100mil miners and 10 massive income planets. They will have no strike or covert since defenses can not be sabbed. Thats a easy 500mil person, then all they have to do is sell there uu they make from there UP for naq. Then is a few months time many players will have enough naq to buy bigger coverts and keep uprading there income planets.
Yup this!RepliMagni wrote:Forum wrote:it was pointed out that massing is a failing pasttime... as sabbing is overriding it by too much.
Both massing and sabbing should be required...how to do that?
answer: sab works on attack weapons. just attack weapons.
to get def weapons, one must mass them down...
makes sense! going to happen... if i cannot think of a good reason not to
I can think of many good reasons not to - the first being that sabbing a def down is often the only way of removing some of the massive defs: with alliance repair and alliance ppt, people can maintain an alliance mate's def indefinitely - the only way to outflank that is to sab it down quickly.
Second reason would be you're taking out a staple move that has been in the game since 05 - you have always been able to sab defs - that requires serious consideration, and not something to be done on the fly.
Now, if you want to reconfigure things, then perhaps make sab more effective against attack weps than def weps: ie: sab destroys 2% of def weps (4% if at war), but destroys 3% of attack weps (6% if at war).
Personally, if you want to bring back massing, downgrading sabotage is not the way forward. All that will achieve is to make big defs unassailable. If you want to bring back massing, then remove alliance repair - cos that is the main reason people don't mass, because they can never finish off a def before the leader/2IC/3IC repairs, and they have to start over.
Iƒrit wrote:Yup this!RepliMagni wrote:Forum wrote:it was pointed out that massing is a failing pasttime... as sabbing is overriding it by too much.
Both massing and sabbing should be required...how to do that?
answer: sab works on attack weapons. just attack weapons.
to get def weapons, one must mass them down...
makes sense! going to happen... if i cannot think of a good reason not to
I can think of many good reasons not to - the first being that sabbing a def down is often the only way of removing some of the massive defs: with alliance repair and alliance ppt, people can maintain an alliance mate's def indefinitely - the only way to outflank that is to sab it down quickly.
Second reason would be you're taking out a staple move that has been in the game since 05 - you have always been able to sab defs - that requires serious consideration, and not something to be done on the fly.
Now, if you want to reconfigure things, then perhaps make sab more effective against attack weps than def weps: ie: sab destroys 2% of def weps (4% if at war), but destroys 3% of attack weps (6% if at war).
Personally, if you want to bring back massing, downgrading sabotage is not the way forward. All that will achieve is to make big defs unassailable. If you want to bring back massing, then remove alliance repair - cos that is the main reason people don't mass, because they can never finish off a def before the leader/2IC/3IC repairs, and they have to start over.
~Bralor~ wrote:This is a terrible update admin. In my opinion massing hasn't died but it has become more costly, so some people sab part of the way through the defense and then mass it the rest of the way.
Tekki wrote:So Coyle, by your logic if people phase before they are massed, and you can't sab the defence out, then NO ONE can be massed.
