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I got to where i am without spendin $ and dont mind wastin what i got to bring down bigger than me or support the ones bringin down what needs to be brought down.

if we would want to we would bring rank 1 2 and 3 down in one go we just get our recources together jack certain ppl and bring those walls down. we did it before and we can do it again.

The people complainin bout it ar the ones who dont wanna spend there recourcers/stats to bring someone down whom build something bigger then they have, pesonally i think its pretty lame its a game so use what yu got to bring down what yu want !

if yu dont wanna spend what yu got to get what yu want DONT GO CHANGIN THE RULES TO GET WHAT YU WANT thats really LAME.

And easy were all pricks in DDE


P.s. there was a OE dude with 400T out on a 100T def for a longtime i dont see the ppl complainin about him im guessin its cos its he dont have what they want, and or r allies ?

I wonder how many people would build enormous defs in the 100s of trills if there were no alliance repair/PPTs and they actually had to defend their stats themselves ?

Actually no need to wonder, look at stats before the alliance repair/PPT were invented, no one built that big.

Fact is these huge defs were made worth building by updates some people wanted and asked admin for, for their own benefit. Now the same people dont want updates others are asking admin for.

Its a huge double standard and this is the kind of selfish BS thats killing the game.

JT yr point is a totally crap and u know it better then the rest of us, u just supporting someone else and that all.

regarding c2 def it fell when he wanted it gone, and it lasted 2 wars so dont tell here it was time cuz those who we were at war those times were able to mass it. there was one failing attempt and 2 different plans to get him. u got it when he didnt want it anymore thats all.

Lithium wrote:JT yr point is a totally crap and u know it better then the rest of us, u just supporting someone else and that all.

regarding c2 def it fell when he wanted it gone, and it lasted 2 wars so dont tell here it was time cuz those who we were at war those times were able to mass it. there was one failing attempt and 2 different plans to get him. u got it when he didnt want it anymore thats all.

Damnn you r one hell of a story teller so your tellin us his def wasnt the biggest @ that time and we didnt combine recourcers to bring it down ? he just let it fall ???

M8 when C2 def fell it costed loads to bring it down, but we did it none the less. coverts ar even higher now then when C2 had his def its the natural way the game grows so defs r higher 2. newbies @ C2 time couldnt touch him either.

And speakin bout supportin someone else aint it time yu get your naq out of that big complaintist her bank and pay of someone

C2 quit after we also descended him, yes i know he wanted that 2.

Now he is complainin bout the banksizes of newbies and whatnot I DID NOT HEAR ONE WORD OF HIM LIKE THAT WHEN HE HAD HIS ACCOUNT WITH THE BIG DEF AND BIG BANK!. its all bout what they want and the easy way they want to get it without doin the work for it BUT CHANGIN THE RULES !

kaboom wrote:And easy were all pricks in DDE

You certainly are, as for rest of the DDE, i'll have to disagree, many are really cool.

Easy^ wrote:

kaboom wrote:And easy were all pricks in DDE

You certainly are, as for rest of the DDE, i'll have to disagree, many are really cool.

Lol i do lub FS and you ill come bring ya some lovin in a bit

Not everyone want to mass people with the slogan "This massing was brought to you by mastercard"

Is it technically possible within the game mechanics for Feri to be massed? Yes

Is it practically possible? No

To mass his def you are going to need 400 mil att supers! (yes the % allows you to have a lower strike, but to join the lottery of beating his personal PPT, Alliance PPT, alliance repair, then you need to be hitting as hard as you can.

Now lets look at how practical it is to put 400mil supers in att, well if I want that many strike weapons...I need some sort of covert, ok let me scrape together any other spare UU I can muster....now to protect my covert I need a def...but wait....where do I magically get the UU to do that? Show me all the accounts that currently have that many trainable UU.

So what's the other option? sabbing? with covert 39 it would take 286mil spies per sab and 15mil would die each time. Covert 38 you need more like 340mil spies with 22mil dying each time. Again while possible, but assuming the sabber has some sort of def, then they'd have to go raiding after every 2-5 hits - at this point you again hope Alliance PPT, personal PPT, other people noticing the attack and start massing you happen.

Lets look at all the people who currently have covert 39...how many of those farmed all the naq needed for it? and please be honest.

Bottom line no one cares what the cost is to mass the top account, it would just be nice if it were possible, the current raid cap doesn't allow for even the most organised alliance to go after it.

As for the aformentioned plague update, whereby officers UP doesn't count, that was actually proposed by someone who would immeadiately be affected by it.

All the problems in this game have been caused by $$ (this is not me saying I've never spent any) but things should have been capped long ago, i.e the amount you can spend per game week on the ingame market, limit to 1 x USS per month

renegadze wrote:Not everyone want to mass people with the slogan "This massing was brought to you by mastercard"

Is it technically possible within the game mechanics for Feri to be massed? Yes

Is it practically possible? No

To mass his def you are going to need 400 mil att supers! (yes the % allows you to have a lower strike, but to join the lottery of beating his personal PPT, Alliance PPT, alliance repair, then you need to be hitting as hard as you can.

Now lets look at how practical it is to put 400mil supers in att, well if I want that many strike weapons...I need some sort of covert, ok let me scrape together any other spare UU I can muster....now to protect my covert I need a def...but wait....where do I magically get the UU to do that? Show me all the accounts that currently have that many trainable UU.

So what's the other option? sabbing? with covert 39 it would take 286mil spies per sab and 15mil would die each time. Covert 38 you need more like 340mil spies with 22mil dying each time. Again while possible, but assuming the sabber has some sort of def, then they'd have to go raiding after every 2-5 hits - at this point you again hope Alliance PPT, personal PPT, other people noticing the attack and start massing you happen.

Lets look at all the people who currently have covert 39...how many of those farmed all the naq needed for it? and please be honest.

Bottom line no one cares what the cost is to mass the top account, it would just be nice if it were possible, the current raid cap doesn't allow for even the most organised alliance to go after it.

As for the aformentioned plague update, whereby officers UP doesn't count, that was actually proposed by someone who would immeadiately be affected by it.

All the problems in this game have been caused by $$ (this is not me saying I've never spent any) but things should have been capped long ago, i.e the amount you can spend per game week on the ingame market, limit to 1 x USS per month

This has a easy anwser...

Get 1 account to sabb
Get 1 account to mass
Get 1 account to AC

or combine some of it... thats how yu bring a def down thats to big for just one person

Cos its a game with aliances and houses and aliance wars and house wars

But you need ppl willin to play the game to loose recources to get what they want. its in the game description @ the login page.

The biggest problem is still alliance ppt/repair rather than anything else.

ie: you get an Unspeakable account who is ascending to Unknown. You get them to declare war with you, then you fully covert-phase them with successful sabs. Then they build a massive strike - pour everything into that strike and forget def/covert. Have several accounts on standby to feed them strike mercs and uu when needed. That Unspeakable masses his def, whilst another account (c.39) is doing the sabbing and another doing the ACing (ac.38). The Unspeakable then ascends and retains 75% of the naq for the strike weps. Job done

Only problem is the alliance ppt/repair - you need a half hour window. If Feri is the only one who can defend that def, then its infinitely more doable than if you have others watching the alliance logs and able to step in....one person cannot always be online, but with 1IC,2IC,3IC rotating then someone can always step in....

EDIT: and anyone who thinks this is new, there have always been accounts that border on the untouchable - C2 a while ago, all of DD in ascended, and anyone remember ETL, Jake, Iron, and Fox back in 05 with their coverts? Fact is, what Feri is doing is no different to if he had no def: if someone built no def and sniped at people with c.39, then they could do infinitely more damage and be even more untouchable.

There's a very simple solution that me and others have suggested many times over the years...

Linking stats, if your def/att stats have to be within a set range of each over, say 50% then anyone who built a 100 trill def would also have to build a 50 trill strike, and that means someone else could build the other way round with a 100 trill strike with a 50 trill def

All defs become massable

Anyone who masses has to build a def for retaliation against

No more vulture/sniper farmers with strikes and no defs

No more raider/trader multi/feeder accounts sitting with huge defs and no strikes

No need for alliance repair, if you want to stop a massing on an alliance member you mass the attackers def thereby lowering or taking out the effectiveness of their strike.

Sorry, I can't support that proposal Mezz - it has major implications for the ability of smaller alliances/lonewolves to defend themselves. I may not agree with the idea of a sniper, but if a major alliance **Filtered** all over a smaller one, or individual players, they need to at least be able to reply. With that update, it'd be virtually impossible....

kaboom wrote:

renegadze wrote:Not everyone want to mass people with the slogan "This massing was brought to you by mastercard"

Is it technically possible within the game mechanics for Feri to be massed? Yes

Is it practically possible? No

To mass his def you are going to need 400 mil att supers! (yes the % allows you to have a lower strike, but to join the lottery of beating his personal PPT, Alliance PPT, alliance repair, then you need to be hitting as hard as you can.

Now lets look at how practical it is to put 400mil supers in att, well if I want that many strike weapons...I need some sort of covert, ok let me scrape together any other spare UU I can muster....now to protect my covert I need a def...but wait....where do I magically get the UU to do that? Show me all the accounts that currently have that many trainable UU.

So what's the other option? sabbing? with covert 39 it would take 286mil spies per sab and 15mil would die each time. Covert 38 you need more like 340mil spies with 22mil dying each time. Again while possible, but assuming the sabber has some sort of def, then they'd have to go raiding after every 2-5 hits - at this point you again hope Alliance PPT, personal PPT, other people noticing the attack and start massing you happen.

Lets look at all the people who currently have covert 39...how many of those farmed all the naq needed for it? and please be honest.

Bottom line no one cares what the cost is to mass the top account, it would just be nice if it were possible, the current raid cap doesn't allow for even the most organised alliance to go after it.

As for the aformentioned plague update, whereby officers UP doesn't count, that was actually proposed by someone who would immeadiately be affected by it.

All the problems in this game have been caused by $$ (this is not me saying I've never spent any) but things should have been capped long ago, i.e the amount you can spend per game week on the ingame market, limit to 1 x USS per month

This has a easy anwser...

Get 1 account to sabb
Get 1 account to mass
Get 1 account to AC

or combine some of it... thats how yu bring a def down thats to big for just one person

Cos its a game with aliances and houses and aliance wars and house wars

But you need ppl willin to play the game to loose recources to get what they want. its in the game description @ the login page.

lol @ your reply, if you cannot see the flaw in your own "answer" i'm not going to point it out

I'll tell you what, you get the 3 best players you can find, and try it - be sure to come back and let us know how badly you failed though, yeah?

renegadze wrote:

kaboom wrote:

renegadze wrote:Not everyone want to mass people with the slogan "This massing was brought to you by mastercard"

Is it technically possible within the game mechanics for Feri to be massed? Yes

Is it practically possible? No

To mass his def you are going to need 400 mil att supers! (yes the % allows you to have a lower strike, but to join the lottery of beating his personal PPT, Alliance PPT, alliance repair, then you need to be hitting as hard as you can.

Now lets look at how practical it is to put 400mil supers in att, well if I want that many strike weapons...I need some sort of covert, ok let me scrape together any other spare UU I can muster....now to protect my covert I need a def...but wait....where do I magically get the UU to do that? Show me all the accounts that currently have that many trainable UU.

So what's the other option? sabbing? with covert 39 it would take 286mil spies per sab and 15mil would die each time. Covert 38 you need more like 340mil spies with 22mil dying each time. Again while possible, but assuming the sabber has some sort of def, then they'd have to go raiding after every 2-5 hits - at this point you again hope Alliance PPT, personal PPT, other people noticing the attack and start massing you happen.

Lets look at all the people who currently have covert 39...how many of those farmed all the naq needed for it? and please be honest.

Bottom line no one cares what the cost is to mass the top account, it would just be nice if it were possible, the current raid cap doesn't allow for even the most organised alliance to go after it.

As for the aformentioned plague update, whereby officers UP doesn't count, that was actually proposed by someone who would immeadiately be affected by it.

All the problems in this game have been caused by $$ (this is not me saying I've never spent any) but things should have been capped long ago, i.e the amount you can spend per game week on the ingame market, limit to 1 x USS per month

This has a easy anwser...

Get 1 account to sabb
Get 1 account to mass
Get 1 account to AC

or combine some of it... thats how yu bring a def down thats to big for just one person

Cos its a game with aliances and houses and aliance wars and house wars

But you need ppl willin to play the game to loose recources to get what they want. its in the game description @ the login page.

lol @ your reply, if you cannot see the flaw in your own "answer" i'm not going to point it out

I'll tell you what, you get the 3 best players you can find, and try it - be sure to come back and let us know how badly you failed though, yeah?

Lmao , yu dont need the 3 best players if you cant see the fault/funny in you'r reply im sure others will laugh @/and or point it out to you

you all r complainin (mostly same ppl) but thats all you do complain have a go @ it serious the NO CAN DO attitude wont get you results. or is it the ppl complainin who dont wanna loose recources and or there precious rank to do annything about it ?

Again its pretty clear

Player 1 sabbs it down
Player 2 masses the rest down
Player 3 ac's

Or combine some of it. ITS A WAR GAME WITH ALIANCE'S. someone got rank 1 if your aliance boss wants it, TAKE IT ! know your enemy watch when yu can have a go and take it down. dont wine like someone who allready lost. or dont wanna spend recources to do it. cos someone sure as hell spend recources to take rank 1
and instead of worry'n that someone takes it down he now has to worry bout ppl who dont wanna spend annything or burn recources that they talk the admin into takin it down.

Can anyone see what I see? Yes this is a free 2 play game and you can spend money. I do both. Its in the dynamics of the game. Now my money spending may be $30 every 2 months but really thats just for some turns to mass a few people now and then.

If you can do it legally in game I don't see the point in complaining.

Lithium wrote:JT yr point is a totally crap and u know it better then the rest of us, u just supporting someone else and that all.

regarding c2 def it fell when he wanted it gone, and it lasted 2 wars so dont tell here it was time cuz those who we were at war those times were able to mass it. there was one failing attempt and 2 different plans to get him. u got it when he didnt want it anymore thats all.

Yea sure Lith

@Easy, if you can take it take it, Farm at your own risk.