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I think you are missing the point... Some people have spent more on their MS then it takes to build covert 40 from 0 up.

The amount of DMU to get the huge TOCs out there currently is worth a fantastical amount of main naq.. so it is the same when you are saying X is attainable but Y is not.

covert 40 would make it that much more powerful.. not saying that's good or bad, but it doesn't make someone "untouchable" even with 400m spies trained.

also you say a huge TOC is irrelevant to you.. but its obviously got its uses in descending people.
also you say MS is irrelevant.. yet when you can mass any planet and mass any MS.. somehow that doesn't seem inconsequential

Nobody forced any people with big stats such as toc or MS or whatever to build them as such... if they had chosen differently they would have different stats maybe higher covert.. just because they did choose a particular thing doesn't mean that what they did is not relevant.

of course its highly likely that nobody would buy any more covert levels at such a prohibitory cost as 40 is from 39 if it wasn't worth the full normal covert level increase %..

why not put a cap on everything then?
Nobody will get cover 41 and very few if any will get 40...

that doubling cost makes it easier albiet still tough to catch up.

Feri wrote:I think you are missing the point... Some people have spent more on their MS then it takes to build covert 40 from 0 up.

The amount of DMU to get the huge TOCs out there currently is worth a fantastical amount of main naq.. so it is the same when you are saying X is attainable but Y is not.

covert 40 would make it that much more powerful.. not saying that's good or bad, but it doesn't make someone "untouchable" even with 400m spies trained.

also you say a huge TOC is irrelevant to you.. but its obviously got its uses in descending people.
also you say MS is irrelevant.. yet when you can mass any planet and mass any MS.. somehow that doesn't seem inconsequential

Nobody forced any people with big stats such as toc or MS or whatever to build them as such... if they had chosen differently they would have different stats maybe higher covert.. just because they did choose a particular thing doesn't mean that what they did is not relevant.

of course its highly likely that nobody would buy any more covert levels at such a prohibitory cost as 40 is from 39 if it wasn't worth the full normal covert level increase %..

why not put a cap on everything then?
Nobody will get cover 41 and very few if any will get 40...

that doubling cost makes it easier albiet still tough to catch up.

Not much to add here. If your going to cap covert levels, you'll need to cap all other things aswell.

your argument about ToC is rather irrational at best, because you can't buy it from thin air. It has to be farmed somehow, somewhere, see its limited. Whereas in main you can swipe the ol' plastic and jason gives you a bunch of zeros.

Iƒrit wrote:your argument about ToC is rather irrational at best, because you can't buy it from thin air. It has to be farmed somehow, somewhere, see its limited. Whereas in main you can swipe the ol' plastic and jason gives you a bunch of zeros.

Thats not true ....

I have seen numerous occasions where people buy DMU with Naq and well we all know naq can be aqcuired with $$

Iƒrit wrote:your argument about ToC is rather irrational at best, because you can't buy it from thin air. It has to be farmed somehow, somewhere, see its limited. Whereas in main you can swipe the ol' plastic and jason gives you a bunch of zeros.

That's not true and you know it. The big TOC nowadays is mostly bought by buying DMU for main naq and or with $$ (for the noobies: the seller just lets himself or herself be hit for the amount of DMU). Me as regular DMU seller for naq can know this...

So the comparison to cap TOC from a certain point just as suggested here with Covert level is a VERY valid point.

EDIT

Damn Nostra for posting that first!

no it is true, again it has to be farmed by someone, at some point, you can't just throw cash at admin and have a bunch of resource appear out of thin air without any actions taking place. So their is a significant difference. The resources from ascended are limited, ATs and DMU are limited there is only so much in a day/week/month/year that can be accumulated and its no where near the capacity of main. Also on main you can have the admin generate a bunch of numbers if you bribe him, that option is not possible in ascended. The comparison is irrational.

Iƒrit wrote:no it is true, again it has to be farmed by someone, at some point, you can't just throw cash at admin and have a bunch of resource appear out of thin air without any actions taking place. So their is a significant difference. The resources from ascended are limited, ATs and DMU are limited there is only so much in a day/week/month/year that can be accumulated and its no where near the capacity of main. Also on main you can have the admin generate a bunch of numbers if you bribe him, that option is not possible in ascended. The comparison is irrational.

Oh plz Ifrit...

Most covert levels on main are bought with naq thats bought from others players with $.

Same counts for all the big TOC around, bought with DMU that was purchased from other players with $ or naq that was bought with $.

Thats the simple truth.

Iƒrit wrote:no it is true, again it has to be farmed by someone, at some point, you can't just throw cash at admin and have a bunch of resource appear out of thin air without any actions taking place. So their is a significant difference. The resources from ascended are limited, ATs and DMU are limited there is only so much in a day/week/month/year that can be accumulated and its no where near the capacity of main. Also on main you can have the admin generate a bunch of numbers if you bribe him, that option is not possible in ascended. The comparison is irrational.

Thats one severe case of sudden tunnelvision you got there, supporting your thoughts ....

Main has something ascended doesn't have:
SS/USS, ingame markets (cash market among others). What you get in ascended is only thru farming/own income, as you also don't have a bank in ascended.
About DMU for naq, it all depends on whether DMU sellers can get more DMU than non-DMU sellers, as DMU sellers need to farm DMU, so it all depends on the available DMU at the moment of farming...
My point being, DMU seller cannot have different farming runs and bank DMU, sell it later to buyer: they need to be both online when the action goes on.

Cole wrote:Main has something ascended doesn't have:
SS/USS, ingame markets (cash market among others). What you get in ascended is only thru farming/own income, as you also don't have a bank in ascended.
About DMU for naq, it all depends on whether DMU sellers can get more DMU than non-DMU sellers, as DMU sellers need to farm DMU, so it all depends on the available DMU at the moment of farming...
My point being, DMU seller cannot have different farming runs and bank DMU, sell it later to buyer: they need to be both online when the action goes on.

I believe some players still dont understand how it works at the top in this game (sorry to use your post for this cole, dont take it personal plz):

If you want to buy a high covert level on main, You will use $ to buy naq from other players. Becaus that is cheapest way, naq bought from admin is at a higher rate. People buy AT's and Supporter status (for the mpdsd) with $ from admin, but not naq...

So ya the buying resources for $ for coverts levels and TOC(DMU) is the same! What concerns banking on ascended, you just stock defence weapons and sell them when you do 'a trade'(let yourself be hit for your DMU), the 'attacker' (buyer) just converts straight away into LF and voila!

Lesson 101 : How to build a great account with $ (by Rodwolf)

its not even on the same level, you only have so many ATs on ascended. In main you have unlimited, practically everything in main is unlimited. The comparison is irrational.

Iƒrit wrote:its not even on the same level, you only have so many ATs on ascended. In main you have unlimited, practically everything in main is unlimited. The comparison is irrational.

lol
you are saying that with no first hand knowledge of the amount of DMU bought and sold
if you do nothing but use your turns to farm DMU and sell it.. it makes a lot of DMU to be used for levels. and it costs a lot of naq.. more than you can easily farm on main

you SAY its irrational.. but your saying that with no knowledge.. just theory.

Having sold DMU to all the major alliances myself for both $$ and naq (yes TL, OE, DDE... etc) I know pretty well how easy it is to buy DMU for $.

Iƒrit wrote:its not even on the same level, you only have so many ATs on ascended. In main you have unlimited, practically everything in main is unlimited. The comparison is irrational.

only 15 AT's on ascended are enough to buy a huge load of DMU(same as you would trade a huge amount of naq on main server) as you only need 1 hit. And 15 AT's is just 2 turns waiting to gather .

And now stop this nonsense that buying DMU or Naq with $ is not same level or possible.

please tell me...
how quick can you buy 5 quintillion DMU? (from 0 to 5b ToC)
how quick can you buy 3.2q Naq? (from 0 to 39 Covert)

something tells me it would take far longer to buy 5 quintillion DMU then it would 3.2q NAQ. So yes I will say it is on a different level.

Seeing as in a week I can farm 400t Naq with 4 days PPT on main. And 100q DMU in a week with no PPTs, I would certainly say it wouldn't compare.

Not to mention there is 3 5b ToC's in game and what 8-9 39s?

Iƒrit wrote:please tell me...
how quick can you buy 5 quintillion DMU? (from 0 to 5b ToC)
how quick can you buy 3.2q Naq? (from 0 to 39 Covert)

Your comparison is wrong....

In main you first have to do 23 ascentions(before you would build such a lvl), on ascended even with a prior account you can buy 5 bil TOC.

Besides that, both 'trades' can happen in matter of seconds in theory,providing the seller has the resources. Dont think you can buy one of both in one time...yet

Also, what you 'can' farm is irrelevant, we are speaking of buying with $ here.