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I think the main reason they want NG slow and difficult is because the reward you get at the end on main. That super ng main account is seriously pumped and cannot be a cakewalk to acquire.

However that said, once the jack in a box is opened for example 25 avg bill MT's and or 1 trill plus USS happened you cannot not take it away as it effectively leaves the next person at huge disadvantage.
The number of UU was also nerfed.

Also Juliette you don't want the awkward situation when a noob joins and looks at the USS and buys it coz they are like "OMG that is so bling" then later surf this very thread only to find out they only got like 10% of what we all got and they go all "waddafax ! I got jipped"

Visentinel wrote:"waddafax ! I got jipped"

+1

I am most displeased, especially now that I'm beginning the second half of my ascensions and the MT Naq rates are just about useless, amongst the others

Also Money isn't easy for every one to come by so the SS and USS rates are a lot less appealing.

Shezmu wrote:I am most displeased, especially now that I'm beginning the second half of my ascensions and the MT Naq rates are just about useless, amongst the others

Also Money isn't easy for every one to come by so the SS and USS rates are a lot less appealing.

The complete ascension track was always supposed to take about 6 months when actively playing. With the recent excesses, it became possible to do 20 from 0 in 2 months. While I understand that the changes hurt, they are a return to the state as it was intended. You receive a rather big account in Main at the end of the Ascension Track. It stands to reason that the effort required to do so is comparatively challenging.

This will all be a moot point once people have friends that are done ascending. Then everything changes and speeds up. All this did was successfully delay the bull rush a couple weeks.

Mathlord wrote:This will all be a moot point once people have friends that are done ascending. Then everything changes and speeds up. All this did was successfully delay the bull rush a couple weeks.

It will take a considerable group of people to finish ascending and build massive incomes before the MT will become worth almost 100 billion again.
Like I said, we are looking into a fixed 'reward' for MTs, but moving away from income/up-tied rewards remains complicated for now.

Juliette wrote:Pre-announcement thread: viewtopic.php?f=291&t=195438 - these are just a continuation, a further fleshing-out, if you will, of those ideas as announced in that thread.

Like we said; in Main we did the same thing when the balance was proven to be askew. Is that unfair? No. Some people profited from an obvious balancing issue. We have repeatedly said that it should not be possible to power ascend through use of the MT's alone, and a single individual saw fit to point me in the direction of the Market when it got skewered much sooner and much higher than anticipated. We will not take things away that stem from this imbalance, but we do prevent it re-occurring. So yes, buying an SS will no longer boost you through the roof, and MTs are no longer a viable 'only-income' source, it is as it should be.


As for the "updates in mid-week", we have different views. I personally prefer a little warning ahead, but allowing major imbalance for any longer than necessary after discovering it (i.e. longer than it takes to fix it), is irresponsible.

Right I did forget about that thread...a thread which was posted in the "balance/label/features" section which everyone expected to just be complaints about the game, not announcements about the game. You said pretesting updates didn't yield any results. Well even in this pre-announcement thread in a section that many, myself included, wouldn't think would be in that section (thank you for placing the new upcoming updates thread in the general section) there were 14 replies, but most importantly 191 views. That's a lot of people reading about an update.

Juliette wrote:It will take a considerable group of people to finish ascending and build massive incomes before the MT will become worth almost 100 billion again.
Like I said, we are looking into a fixed 'reward' for MTs, but moving away from income/up-tied rewards remains complicated for now.

Now this is what I meant with what I said...

While this does have major effects in the short term, this isn't a major tweak and you waiting two days really wouldn't change anything. Once people finish ascending, there will be two kinds of players. Most will just stop playing newgrounds. The rest will stay to help others/sell to others to make their ascensions faster. The people who will stay to actively play and fight with their accounts will be roughly similar to what we get in the origins server...next to nobody. It's not even a smart business move...this will just drive people to pay for naq out of game from the black market and there will be an ever growing list of people selling in a couple weeks...so while market turns themselves will be low, the sheer fact there will be people done ascending with the sole purpose of churning people through ascensions (it doesn't take very long to get people at level "25" up to bullseye's level I reckon...) means that people will burn through them quickly. Only way to stop that would be to put extra limits on sending resources ingame which I will guarantee would start a riot from those who have paid good money to the game to have that privilege.

This game isn't big enough or important enough long term to invest so much in tweaking the little things. All this did was remove the ability of this game to be a cash cow for Jason. Instead it shall be a cash cow for the players. I guess I should be thankful for that in some way if I have the desire to fork out 20 bucks in a couple weeks once my ascensions are finished...but I don't think that's the way you guys would really wanted it to be...

Juliette wrote:

Mathlord wrote:This will all be a moot point once people have friends that are done ascending. Then everything changes and speeds up. All this did was successfully delay the bull rush a couple weeks.

It will take a considerable group of people to finish ascending and build massive incomes before the MT will become worth almost 100 billion again.
Like I said, we are looking into a fixed 'reward' for MTs, but moving away from income/up-tied rewards remains complicated for now.

Yes but once again the same powerful players seem to have gotten all the benefit and I mean no offense to any of them, as it is not their fault or problem.

Maybe a nice little gift based on what level your at in game as a golden parachute package to make the transition less of a blow to smaller players?

Shezmu wrote:

Juliette wrote:

Mathlord wrote:This will all be a moot point once people have friends that are done ascending. Then everything changes and speeds up. All this did was successfully delay the bull rush a couple weeks.

It will take a considerable group of people to finish ascending and build massive incomes before the MT will become worth almost 100 billion again.
Like I said, we are looking into a fixed 'reward' for MTs, but moving away from income/up-tied rewards remains complicated for now.

Yes but once again the same powerful players seem to have gotten all the benefit and I mean no offense to any of them, as it is not their fault or problem.

Maybe a nice little gift based on what level your at in game as a golden parachute package to make the transition less of a blow to smaller players?

i belive is good idea...to be biger and biger in resource depend on your ascend level...more naq more UU...no mater of rest...
ex.for lev 16 to can have 20k uu and 200 bil naq...for lev 17 25k uu and 300 bil naq for one SS...can be one option...not for this amont but somthing like this...and after you done all 20 levels to can have other calculation for resource....

™LoT wrote:

Shezmu wrote:

Juliette wrote:

Mathlord wrote:This will all be a moot point once people have friends that are done ascending. Then everything changes and speeds up. All this did was successfully delay the bull rush a couple weeks.

It will take a considerable group of people to finish ascending and build massive incomes before the MT will become worth almost 100 billion again.
Like I said, we are looking into a fixed 'reward' for MTs, but moving away from income/up-tied rewards remains complicated for now.

Yes but once again the same powerful players seem to have gotten all the benefit and I mean no offense to any of them, as it is not their fault or problem.

Maybe a nice little gift based on what level your at in game as a golden parachute package to make the transition less of a blow to smaller players?

i belive is good idea...to be biger and biger in resource depend on your ascend level...more naq more UU...no mater of rest...
ex.for lev 16 to can have 20k uu and 200 bil naq...for lev 17 25k uu and 300 bil naq for one SS...can be one option...not for this amont but somthing like this...and after you done all 20 levels to can have other calculation for resource....

I like your thinking, I was thinking a one time gift but this seems more appropriate and viable.

hohoho, where should I start my dear friends


I will start with the most obvious thing. Every update that has such a huge impact on the game needs to have a notice, unless someone wants to screw someone hard intentionally or not. This is just common sense

Next let us see, what exactly was the problem? The problem was, or so they said... Well we want players to finish ascensions in 6 months not in two.
- first of all it wont take 6 months
- second of all, if it was messed up you cant fix it like that or you create imbalance and my dear, you just went and did that in a heartbeat

You see, what happened was that by the previous formula people actually were catching up to the big guys. Yeah probably would never catch up to them, but it was some kind of social welfare to actually give the starters a chance to catch up.

Now my friend Math is in the right here... things will turn in the opposite direction you want them to. You see, you wanted us to slow down... nope... the first thing I thought of, after this update and after the headache and face palm of course, was think.... what is the way to go...?
Actually there are two ways to go I was contemplating and still am


1.
perhaps I will drop this game now (I figure quite many will)

2.
what to do now, cause I as sure as hell dont mean to play for 1 year before I finish my ascensions, also the account you get on main is a regular okie dokie account nothing special actually you are talking about an account people will get half a year from now or a year and more and people already have 41 level spy the limit is at 460 mils and so on
And you get 200 mils of units which a person can raid in a day (i did)
35 level of covert which a person can buy with farming in one day (i farmed such an amount in a day)
and so on... So you get a massive account? Ah no... you get an account which is 20 times ascended and that is it, btw the value of such an account with such stats if someone tried to sold it right now is like... hmmm Idk 50$? or probably less

Anyway Math is imo absolutely spot on.
If I pick option B and continue to play I will do the following. I will contact one of my friends and trade resources from main in exchange for his UUs and NAQ in newgrounds
So instead of me going to the market place to seek it out, I will go to the cross-server market place. Meaning you didnt achieve your goal of slow ascending (which btw is a bad idea also, it would took 2-3 months anyway which is good enough) and the thing is, some people are almost finished and were riding on the fast train the rest you just decided to throw off = creating huge gap or with one word imbalance



Overall in my opinion a really poor job from the team who is responsible for this. I am sorry if it sounds harsh and if it offends someone, it is not my intention, but it is my opinion, which I also believe is an opinion of majority as well.
This is not how you do things "behind the curtains, overnight" and without the support of majority


Blue

I suppose this is the formula for any society. The Powerful and those striving to be so. In the end what will it all mean? No one knows for certain but Alliances and Pacts will be made, honored and betrayed.

I made a new account on main just to see if he is right, and by my formula of how much naq i could farm and UU could steal in a 1 hour period, in a day you could do better than what Svarun said.

Be a mission tho... i ran straight for nearly 3 hours

Juliette wrote:

Mathlord wrote:This will all be a moot point once people have friends that are done ascending. Then everything changes and speeds up. All this did was successfully delay the bull rush a couple weeks.

It will take a considerable group of people to finish ascending and build massive incomes before the MT will become worth almost 100 billion again.
Like I said, we are looking into a fixed 'reward' for MTs, but moving away from income/up-tied rewards remains complicated for now.

I don't think he was talking about MT. I believe he was talking about resource transfer. By delaying the bullrush by a few weeks I think he meant the top guys will have to wait a little longer before spreading mass amounts of resources. At that point MT isn't going to matter because they will get either more for free, or can get a better deal by acquiring those resources through the player market. Effectively takes the money out of the game owners pockets and puts it in the players pockets.

I guess I can't complain. I might make some money out of this.

Visentinel wrote:I made a new account on main just to see if he is right, and by my formula of how much naq i could farm and UU could steal in a 1 hour period, in a day you could do better than what Svarun said.

Be a mission tho... i ran straight for nearly 3 hours

Of course I am right