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Re: Proposed ban on assault weapons by Obama

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 1:19 pm
by Jack
Juliette wrote:Now, you say there is no such thing as an Assault Rifle.

I said assault weapons, assault rifles are actual real things with actual real technical definitions. Assault weapons are any gun that looks scary.

Juliette wrote:Saying "x does not exist" while entire laws are made based on the idea that x does, in fact, exist is pretty bold.

It is illegal to hold office in Texas without acknowledging the existence of God. CHECKMATE ATHEISTS. :smt019


Juliette wrote:Regarding the 'Battle of Athens', great story, and a victory for democracy, love it! Could never happen today though.

Then according to you democracy is dead! But no, really. 1946 wasn't that long ago. And guess what? :smt064

Re: Proposed ban on assault weapons by Obama

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 1:24 pm
by Juliette
Dovahkiin wrote:
Juliette wrote:Now, you say there is no such thing as an Assault Rifle.
I said assault weapons, assault rifles are actual real things with actual real technical definitions. Assault weapons are any gun that looks scary.
I was hoping you would go there. Good. What is the difference between assault weapons and assault rifles?
Is there no such thing as assault grenade launchers? Or .. just name it, you are imaginative enough. (And informed enough on the area of weapons to my knowledge.. - that is, I have not seen you being wrong on weapons before.)
Dovahkiin wrote:
Juliette wrote:Saying "x does not exist" while entire laws are made based on the idea that x does, in fact, exist is pretty bold.

It is illegal to hold office in Texas without acknowledging the existence of God. CHECKMATE ATHEISTS. :smt019
*grin* Win.
Dovahkiin wrote:
Juliette wrote:Regarding the 'Battle of Athens', great story, and a victory for democracy, love it! Could never happen today though.
Then according to you democracy is dead! But no, really. 1946 wasn't that long ago. And guess what? :smt064
You will find me in agreement with that, sir. Death of democracy occurred around the same time the Battle of Athens took place. ;)

Re: Proposed ban on assault weapons by Obama

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 5:06 pm
by Jack
Juliette wrote:
Dovahkiin wrote:
Juliette wrote:Now, you say there is no such thing as an Assault Rifle.
I said assault weapons, assault rifles are actual real things with actual real technical definitions. Assault weapons are any gun that looks scary.
I was hoping you would go there. Good. What is the difference between assault weapons and assault rifles?
Is there no such thing as assault grenade launchers? Or .. just name it, you are imaginative enough. (And informed enough on the area of weapons to my knowledge.. - that is, I have not seen you being wrong on weapons before.)

Assault weapons, as defined by stupid people making laws regarding things they know nothing about, is any gun that is scary. You know, guns that are black and have that evil thingy in the back that goes up.

That 'thingy in the back that goes up' in this instance, is called a barrel shroud. If you have half a brain, you should be able to see what's coming.

[youtube]9rGpykAX1fo[/youtube]

Watch the video before clicking the spoiler, the video is short and totally worth it. The interview is between a reporter dutifully doing his job as a reporter, a very rare occurrence, and really pressing the congresswoman hard for an answer to a question she can't answer. Whether you agree with gun control or not, you should be able to see how this reporter was doing an excellent job here by holding the woman accountable to the bill she introduced.

[spoiler=Barrel Shroud explanation]Image

That is a barrel shroud, it's sole purpose is to protect the user from burns caused by a hot barrel. Something that can easily be achieved with other parts that weren't banned under the law, including just a basic pair of Tillman gloves. It doesn't make the weapon any more dangerous, it doesn't help with accuracy. It's function, while a nice addition, is almost entirely cosmetic on a semi-automatic rifle and can be easily replaced with other, legal solutions.[/spoiler]

The definition of assault weapon is one that is ever changing, it can literally be applied to any gun. Even a potato gun. Since the original definitions were mostly cosmetic in the first place and since then the definitions have been expanded to include whatever gun congress/anti-rights people deem to be scary.

Assault rifle, on the other hand, was coined by Germans. Specifically Nazis. Ohhhh, scary. It must be evil cause Nazis! But no, it has a specific and technical definition that is based on the abilities of the weapon and not the cosmetic features the weapon displays.

The requirements for an assault rifle to be considered an assault rifle are as follows:

It must be an individual weapon with provision to fire from the shoulder (i.e. a buttstock);
It must be capable of selective fire;
It must have an intermediate-power cartridge: more power than a pistol but less than a standard rifle or battle rifle;
Its ammunition must be supplied from a detachable magazine rather than a feed-belt.
And it should at least have a firing range of 300 meters (1000 feet)

The rifle MUST meet all of these requirements for it to be considered an assault rifle. If it does not, then it is not.

The first assault rifle was called a Sturmgewehr, translated literally it means storm rifle, as in to storm or assault a position. Like a storm trooper. Storm was changed to assault in English cause 'Murica~.

Re: Proposed ban on assault weapons by Obama

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 5:32 pm
by Juliette
Dovahkiin wrote:
Juliette wrote:
Dovahkiin wrote:
Juliette wrote:Now, you say there is no such thing as an Assault Rifle.
I said assault weapons, assault rifles are actual real things with actual real technical definitions. Assault weapons are any gun that looks scary.
I was hoping you would go there. Good. What is the difference between assault weapons and assault rifles?
Is there no such thing as assault grenade launchers? Or .. just name it, you are imaginative enough. (And informed enough on the area of weapons to my knowledge.. - that is, I have not seen you being wrong on weapons before.)

Assault weapons, as defined by stupid people making laws regarding things they know nothing about, is any gun that is scary. You know, guns that are black and have that evil thingy in the back that goes up.

That 'thingy in the back that goes up' in this instance, is called a barrel shroud. If you have half a brain, you should be able to see what's coming.

[youtube]9rGpykAX1fo[/youtube]

Watch the video before clicking the spoiler, the video is short and totally worth it. The interview is between a reporter dutifully doing his job as a reporter, a very rare occurrence, and really pressing the congresswoman hard for an answer to a question she can't answer. Whether you agree with gun control or not, you should be able to see how this reporter was doing an excellent job here by holding the woman accountable to the bill she introduced.

[spoiler=Barrel Shroud explanation]Image

That is a barrel shroud, it's sole purpose is to protect the user from burns caused by a hot barrel. Something that can easily be achieved with other parts that weren't banned under the law, including just a basic pair of Tillman gloves. It doesn't make the weapon any more dangerous, it doesn't help with accuracy. It's function, while a nice addition, is almost entirely cosmetic on a semi-automatic rifle and can be easily replaced with other, legal solutions.[/spoiler]
I will admit once that I life your name (I am replaying Skyrim evading most earlier missions. :)
Dovahkiin wrote:The definition of assault weapon is one that is ever changing, it can literally be applied to any gun. Even a potato gun. Since the original definitions were mostly cosmetic in the first place and since then the definitions have been expanded to include whatever gun congress/anti-rights people deem to be scary.

Assault rifle, on the other hand, was coined by Germans. Specifically Nazis. Ohhhh, scary. It must be evil cause Nazis! But no, it has a specific and technical definition that is based on the abilities of the weapon and not the cosmetic features the weapon displays.

The requirements for an assault rifle to be considered an assault rifle are as follows:

It must be an individual weapon with provision to fire from the shoulder (i.e. a buttstock);
It must be capable of selective fire;
It must have an intermediate-power cartridge: more power than a pistol but less than a standard rifle or battle rifle;
Its ammunition must be supplied from a detachable magazine rather than a feed-belt.
And it should at least have a firing range of 300 meters (1000 feet)

The rifle MUST meet all of these requirements for it to be considered an assault rifle. If it does not, then it is not.

The first assault rifle was called a Sturmgewehr, translated literally it means storm rifle, as in to storm or assault a position. Like a storm trooper. Storm was changed to assault in English cause 'Murica~.
1. Nazis are not scary.
2. The fact that Nazis define something does not nullify that definition.
3. Nazis are not scary.
4. Assault rifles are a thing of the past, things that would fit in museums..

Re: Proposed ban on assault weapons by Obama

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 7:45 pm
by Jack
1. Sarcasm
2. Sarcasm
3. Never said that
4. BAHAHAHA

Re: Proposed ban on assault weapons by Obama

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 9:23 pm
by doc holliday
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Re: Proposed ban on assault weapons by Obama

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 12:04 am
by Z E R O
doc holliday wrote:[spoiler]Image[/spoiler]


+1

Re: Proposed ban on assault weapons by Obama

Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:50 am
by [KMA]Avenger
doc holliday wrote:[spoiler]Image[/spoiler]


+2

Re: Proposed ban on assault weapons by Obama

Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:58 am
by Juliette
Dovahkiin wrote:1. Sarcasm
2. Sarcasm
3. Never said that
4. BAHAHAHA
:smt043

Re: Proposed ban on assault weapons by Obama

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 4:51 pm
by Kjarkur
Look at countries that ban guns.

Enough said.

There is nothing OK when anyone can practically walk into the next store and buy military grade weapons. In fact, in many countries people are just fine without guns.

Problem with the states how ever, is that people are so afraid of other people that they will never hand over their guns easily.

I realize this is just a proposed ban on assault weapons - a step in the right direction for sure.

I would not want my neighbours to own M16... that'd mean I'd need one too in case any of them are psychopaths.

The solution to gun problems aren't more guns.

Guns should be for the country to protect itself from outside threats. Not for the public to protect themselves for each other. (fact is A LOT of people aren't in the right state of mind decide who to shoot and who not to shoot, in fact that power should NEVER be in the hands of the public, only army or police) When you do that you run the risk of psychopaths getting a hold of them and getting away with murdering many innocent people.

-KJ

Re: Proposed ban on assault weapons by Obama

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 5:14 pm
by doc holliday
Yay just another thing for the government to provide then? The nanny state. But what happens when the government turns on the people? :shock:

Re: Proposed ban on assault weapons by Obama

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 5:16 pm
by Juliette
doc holliday wrote:Yay just another thing for the government to provide then? The nanny state. But what happens when the government turns on the people? :shock:
Then this happens: [spoiler][youtube]w8KQmps-Sog[/youtube][/spoiler]


Kj: +1

The problem with the USA is that their people are so damned distrustful of each other and their government (and with good reason, because the mentality of many people is so entitled, so **Filtered** up..).. but that is not just USA. That is the entire West. We need some more herd mentality like the Arabs.
Or my own favourite, the wolfpack.

Re: Proposed ban on assault weapons by Obama

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 6:50 pm
by GrizzZzzly
Guns were designed to kill people. ergo, thus, therefore they are bad BAN THEM ALL! ALL OF THEM! FIGHT WITH WORDS!

Re: Proposed ban on assault weapons by Obama

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 7:10 pm
by Richard B Riddick
GrizzZzzly wrote:Guns were designed to kill people. ergo, thus, therefore they are bad BAN THEM ALL! ALL OF THEM! FIGHT WITH WORDS!


yes, use your words to fight the guy robbing your house while he points a gun at you

now moving past my smart-ass comment

sadly this isn't a perfect world, and words don't always solve things, and issue with the US is that there are sooo many guns, and it is sooo easy to get things into the country illegally, you can not get rid of them all, and banning them will just leave the people who wont obey the law with them, and the police cant be everywhere, typically they get there after the damage is done, they RESPOND, because despite their best efforts, they can not predict the future, thus they can not prevent all crimes. as well as guns are not designed just to kill people, they are also used for hunting, hobbies such as collecting and target practice, in fact the majority of people who own guns in the U.S. will never shoot a person. the biggest issue with guns in my opinion is lack of proper safety. just by making gun safety courses mandatory would cut down on the deaths by guns MASSIVELY, and even massacres would be decreased because some of them (like the most recent) got it from relatives who left it out where it was easily accessible, despite knowing there was someone in the house who should not have access to a gun, when a gun safety class would have taught her to lock it up out of reach, and those who are smart enough to get one despite that are probably smart enough to get one illegally anyways, especially in certain states like AZ where it is very easy to get stuff over the boarder

Re: Proposed ban on assault weapons by Obama

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 7:26 pm
by Dubby_CompGamerGeek2
Well, there is some good news:

In order to protect the 2nd amendment in america, conservatives the world over are willing to acknowledge the need for increased mental health services. :shock:

Gee, how do you suppose we should pay for that?

At least it's cheaper than armed guards in every school... (grocery store, mall, workplace.)


Thank God!!
=D> =D> =D>


Oh, yea, first person to suggest that we increase taxes on low-income folks, (including regressive sales taxes), to pay for this is going to be put in charge of researching the income level of every mass shooter the world has ever had.

tread carefully. :smt115