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The excessive planets with no "natural" power wasn't "envisioned" when admin increased the base value of the planets, put in multipliers for that base value, to take you upto 9* that, or maybe more, that was just so far and we may not have been told about more...

So there were planets, with strike, that was increased and then multiplied, they have no repair costs when used, they have no units to man them, which results in zero units lost, this in a war game and the fact that these would be used on their own for massing people was not "envisioned"

Maybe asking a small group of people before the updates are implemented could cut down major problems like this. I'm sorry if I'm being harsh, I've liked alot of updates, I usually have alot of time for mistakes, getting used to new things, and seeing the good side of any update, but, could someone please point out the reason for planets to me...

They have brought imbalance to the game, even now, with the update to them they are still WAY to powerful. They defeat the object of what most people have done and want to continue to do, buy weapons, man weapons, protect weapons. Now, there is very little point in building a large "natural" defence or strike all I need is a semi good defence or strike and a few planets, if my defence gets massed it's not a big deal, I just buy a half decent defence again and my planets do the rest, since I have access to more naq than smaller players, I can build bigger planets than them and bigger fleets and they will just have something else to waste their naq on, because if it get's bigger with more naq, get's defended better with more naq and I can take their's with more naq, they will never be closer to the top...

If we must have planets then please return them to how they were, small boosts, it's simply rediculous to have them capable of giving you 10x your "natural" stat

I totally agree here, it is rediculus to think that someone who has only played this game for 1 month can take out the #1-5 ranked players in the game by only concentrating on 1 thing.

THAT should NEVER HAPPEN!!




RahL

RepliJake explained it better then I ever could have and is exactly right, thank you for putting a good explination of what was wrong with the latest enhancement of the planets.

Lord-RahL wrote:I totally agree here, it is rediculus to think that someone who has only played this game for 1 month can take out the #1-5 ranked players in the game by only concentrating on 1 thing.

THAT should NEVER HAPPEN!!




RahL

shaking in your boots from attack from below?

lol... I could care less about attacks from ANYONE... I have been massed many times and I will be massed many more times that is part of the game. But I always massed buy doing it right.. Not by exploiting a weakness in the game....






RahL

DUDEY wrote:This is rubbish!
I want all my naq back that i invested in planets.
I didnt know this update was gonna happen!

FOR REAL DUDEY

i have spend a HOLE F**%^^&*G lot of naq

im not happy jan

Googalaide wrote:

DUDEY wrote:This is rubbish!
I want all my naq back that i invested in planets.
I didnt know this update was gonna happen!

FOR REAL DUDEY

i have spend a HOLE F**%^^&*G lot of naq

im not happy jan

good one admin
i just lost 800 rank places

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

lost 800? I lost 8000!

but you know what? right after the update, i gained about 9000. not only you are affected, it's not the end of the world!

Actually, there are some atvantages. Before with my Attack planets and covert planets, I can virtually have nothing and still stay around rank 1500, but now, I invested in real things and gained far more rank than I could of before because everyone has lost. So just wake up and take atvantage.

Also... it's not because of Omega. It's because a person with an attack planet, massed a high ranking member without suffering ANY damages and ended up destroy that member's whole defense. It was a necessary change.

Now... loses all reason and rants with the rest of the crew
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I lost everything!!! My whole account was geared toward my attack planet! I sacrificed all my naq, time, turns to put into my attack planet.

I think that it's unreasonable that it would happen so suddenly. Maybe make it so planets can be destroyed if they meet a defense that too high... but I LOVE MY PLANETS~

*crys*

It wasnt right what was done a few days ago with planets.. but this update makes things stupid.. for some of us who invested alot into plantes.. now.

Admin could have found a better way to prevent massign with planets... and i would certanly like about 500-600bil of naq that i invested into them back as they are useless to me now..
Its simple when i buy something i expect it to do things its said to do when i bought it.. if it doesnt work i want my money back... Its how things are done

Shizune wrote:its perfectly fair...motherships only double ur strike/defense so therefore planets can too. no cheating by uber-motherships and uber-planets only!

it would be fair if it was so from the beginning - but we spent money in different terms - so it is very unfair because of that
this update basically renders planets useless,if it were in place since planets were implemented, it would be fair, and if it good is completely another matter - i never liked teh planets much so i wouldnt mind, it would perhaps be "fairer" then the way it was before, but "fairness" falls in the water since it was introduced it was
also, thing i find pretty funny, everyone cares about this update, yet no one did about covert update, where losses were much greater for everyone, since i assume everyone bought level as much as they could afford...

[FRA] zeon wrote:I would like to see a game reset. This will correct the loss of naq. Then some sort of change for a permit fix. Like the large cost/upgrade implicated. I don't know if that would work, but it is really unfair all the time/effort/naq put into the planets to just be tossed aside. There has got to be a better way.

of course there is a better way - but we better not think about it since better way isnt happening

blahh wrote:It wasnt right what was done a few days ago with planets.. but this update makes things stupid.. for some of us who invested alot into plantes.. now.

Admin could have found a better way to prevent massign with planets... and i would certanly like about 500-600bil of naq that i invested into them back as they are useless to me now..
Its simple when i buy something i expect it to do things its said to do when i bought it.. if it doesnt work i want my money back... Its how things are done

yep, thats the logical approach, way it should be
however, get used to that every bit of naq you invest into something may become useless overnight

I don't have Planets because I had a feeling this debacle would happen.

How many times have the planets been *Updated* now?2 or 3 ?

How many players have lost big investments in time and naq because the rules keep changing?

Most important what do the new/small player in the game think. They are the life's blood of the game, they keep it going and pay cash for their resources by getting supporter upgrades. They don't have the naq to build on so they do it the only way they can

When they go so does the game and the server cost real money to run.


All wars are fought in 3 different ways

1 raw power
2 guirella tractics
3 Politicaly

I think it's about time a better update was brought in. The bigger the player (attack power and army) the more he can be nibbled at using guirella tactics.
Real wars don't give you the names of those that blew up your fuel depot, or attacked your sentry outpost, you have to investigate and only ever find out 10% of the times exactly who it was.
Real Armies rest and then have units killed off (assaniated) by a clever enemy. A bomb in a food supply, poison in the water, killed in a lane way at the side of a bar.
Look at the statistics from the vietnam war. Look at how many soldiers from the biggest power and fighting force in the world died without ever getting to the battle field.

This is real war and as such should be applied to the game to rebalance the whole thing.

I suppose the main reason that I have been annoyed is the fact that the planet upgrade just was not thought through. I have been back in the game about 9 weeks after about 3-4 months away. I am used to upgrades but not this sort of constant moving of goalposts.
When upgrades come out you look at them and work out how it will affect the game.
We were promised powerful planets with good only to find they were impossible to defend and gained no real benefit for the top players. Both of these issues have been fixed with more powerful planets ( except I do think the covert ones are way too powerful, even though I make good use of this!) which are expensive but easier to defend.
I had thought planets could be used as MS massers so that you could effectively build a large planet with huge defences hide behind your spy level and wait for someone to take the bait, this originally did not work but it is now possible so again what I predicted has come true.
I had been collecting attack planets because I had worked out 10x2 Billion with no losses was an excellent raiding tool. I agree it is unfair to use this tactic but it was a loophole and I was willing and able to abuse it.
Whoever massed Omega obviously had an axe to grind as many do against their alliance ( myself not included ). However Omega is powerful enough to withstand this sort of massing, it would have been simple for an alliance that powerful to equip their Motherships and go after the planets that caused the damage in the first place. That way they inherit powerful attack planets themselves in fact massing of Omega would eventually had the opposite effect they would have been more powerful in the long run as they would have 10 F*** off planet themselves.

My main point is PLEASE admin think and test a bit more before releasing updates. So far I estimate my losses from the planetary updates to be 200 Billion less than some but still significant

you know, it's amusing that whenever something goes wrong it takes a good 2-3 days to correct it, but when something goes wrong with high ranked players it's fixed over night. just an observation. anyways with regards to the planets. look at it this way, for all those of you who have massively upgraded them. sell them for lots. as they will be worth lots more to people whith a lot of that stat, then to you now. or upgrade that stat.


i do think that this update needs to be tweaked, but i understand the mechanics behind it.

we need a compromise like maybe having a toal power stat to see your total power and a new upgrade thats cost is dependent on total power maybe.

instead of having planets adding equivent to your "natural power" have it a percentage of your total power, and say a max of 40%

upgrades start at 0% and go up by 2.5% say and the cost dependant total power and UP so they'll have to have decent stats and a decent UP so you cant just have a newbie account with amazing planet bonus's

waht do you think??

may need a bit more tweaking like

ok guys, just sit back, relax and look at it logicly. the update makes sense. its unfair to have just planets doing all your work and never having to repair anything, this update forces people to actually use their army and suffer the concequences(ie repair costs). for those of you with 10 bil power in a planet, just act as if the planet wasnt there, your weapons get twice the power(untill you have 10bil in their power) and you get an income and up bonus. if you dont like it, tough, you cant always get what you want, games will always be unfair in some way, you cant make it perfect. for those of you who cant stand it and are crying about it, quit, end your misery and look to another mmorpg for your kicks, thematrixwars.com is very similar and you can pick it up easy if you wanna go back to the 'good old days', or even (dare i say it) dont play any mmorpg's! live life to the fullest!

well thats the end of my rant, i really wanna know if id be mod material, i can sput some powerful wisdom sometimes