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J.S. wrote:1. Abolish PPT's except for those on Vac mode only, still no changes to your account

What would this achieve though? To what end or what purpose would this serve. Instead of people going on PPT for the weekend, or away from the computer for a couple of days, they would just go on vacation mode. Instead of using PPT, people will use vacation mode. The difference is that in vac mode, if you come back or want to play earlier than 48 hours you can't. In PPT you can still log on, direct funds, send messages, etc. I think doing away with it would aggravate people, and possibly drive them away from playing. Is the problem then with people who gain large sums of money while on PPT? If so, that is something that is avaliable to all players. The only limit is how many miners or lifers you have when on PPT, and is possible for someone with a newer account to make a lot when on PPT.

J.S. wrote:2. Have it set at 500 million for people with MSS, they cant possibly afford 6 billion unless they have a heck of a CO like me paying for it..

What about those who are just starting up and need a little break from the game? I remember when I started, it was great to get to PPT status and to finally have that option...it was something like a goal to achieve. A lot of newer players don't have market SS, much less the resources to attain it. Would this create further divisions between newer players and more experienced ones? How would this prevent large players from using PPT, which I think was what you are leaning towards(fairness issue), if it's only avaliable to those with market ss? A lot of the larger players already have market ss and 500 million is peanuts to them.

J.S. wrote:3. ...limit it to once a week and seperate it form the market trades.. Unless they pay for it then allow them to go on continuas PPT

I think there are already limits on PPT. I'm going from the Game Updates page, and haven't really played in about three months(prior from this week...so if there'e newer info. about it I have not read it yet). How are you thinking of separating it for the market? I assume they would have to give something to get PPT, and the market is in place for that. What function would it serve to seperate it from the market trades? If you can't have attacked anyone for two days to be on PPT, and are limited to twice in a week, how would reducing it to once a week made it any easier for newer players? Even if everyone is only allowed to go on it once, the large players would still be at an advantage over the smaller players. It doesn't seem like the homogenization you are trying to achieve(from stratification) would not be served. It would just reduce PPT for everyone.

Game Updates Page wrote:July7, 2006
You now need to refrain from attacking others for 2 days, and not having used vacation/PPT for 2 days, before you can use the vacation option.
December 6, 2005
Opposed to 8 PPT per month, the limit has been changed to 2 per calander week.
This means each week you have a total of 3 possible trades/donations - only 2 of which can include a PPT bonus item.

J.S. wrote:4. Have a rule where everyone inside the top 1000 (OR G&R places) cannot go on PPT...decide whats more important being protected...or ascension...can still go on vacation mode though

Ascention and PPT are two separate things(not counting what you get after ascending). They, from my understanding, were created separately, and have no real play one one another. For example, I've been a good ways past the 1000 mark, and have had a large number of g+r points(still do sorta), and never went on PPT(only on it right now, and I'm well below 1000 in standing). Not once, above the 1000 mark(in ranking or g+r points) did I venture onto PPT. Being past 1000 doesn't necessarily mean you will be on PPT more. If there is this choice it would be almost like forcing people to ascend, in that if you reach a certain goal/standing you lose a benefit that people lower than you have. There are those players that choose to not ascend, and it would be like penalizing them for not doing it. There is no requirement that all players must ascend after playing in main. There is no incentive to get any better if you are penalized for not ascending.

J.S. wrote:6. If both people are set to war the PPT becomes null and void, that way if someone does attack/mass/sabb you and hides on PPT you can set them to war and mass them back...

Lets say we are at war with each other. Since PPT is invalid for us we cannot run and hide, but, that means that you can't be at war with anyone. If PPT doesn't work if you are at war with someone, then you have to be at peace, or neutral, with players to use it.

Did you mean that someone you are at war with can attack you when you're on PPT? What happens if you haven't attacked them(or anyone) in two days, and you decide to go away for the weekend on PPT, and then you are attcked by someone you are at war with. You didn't make the first strike, but aren't there to defend yourself. So it isn't that one is hiding on PPT, but a first strike was against you by an ememy when you're on PPT. The only way I could see to solve this is to be at peace(or neutral) with everyone before PPT. That way you're prevented from this occurance of being hit first when you haven't initiated a new battle.

There might be people who cycle through their enemy list to find people on PPT to hit them first invest in strong defense and sit back, or it would force someone to lose the resources they put into PPT, if they are hit by an enemy when their on PPT(same scenario as above...we're at war, I'm on PPt for two mintues now, you attack me and now I'm out of it...what happens to the resources I spent for it...I lose billions for 2 min. of PPT).

Also, there are people on my enemy list who have declared war on me from Dec. for having lots of naq out on PPT. We have never attacked each other, just declared war for naq out. At far as I'm concerned we're at peace, or neutral, why should that be somehting that prevents me from PPT now?

The update that I quoted above also prevents people from the 'run and hide' tactic, in that it requires people tohave not attacked for 48 hours to be on PPT.

K

J.S. wrote:

ppt's are a part of this game so why should we change it?it's easier today to get PPT for noobs than it was year ago cause they can attack 20 ppl and get enough naq for PPT. PPT is supposed not to be cheap cause you get protection for massing & sabbing, protection for raiding & farming and u can made some naq from it. if noobs can't afford it then they don't need to be on PPT cause they wouldn't gain nothing(no1 won't mass noob).for those of us who have big enough income, we need naq which we get from PPT so it would be pointless that u must pay 40% of ur income/day.leave it as it is.

Not true I remember when I was a n00b (year ago soon) and I tried to get 100 million for my next spy level anytime I got over 50 million I was hit.. Its even harder now for n00bs because you cant hit as much as you used to be able to...

It's easier for n00bs now cause many players don't even look for 700 mil - to attack, many ppl look for 1.5 bil to attack and they won't get attacked by pro's like we year ago were.they can farm more, they can afford more. there were only 2.000 players which had mothership a year ago, now total n00b get's it with 2-3 attacks.

The whole point of PPT in the series is to protect planets who cant protect themselves.. And it is given for FREE to those who cant protect themselves..

game cannot be as series, then don't know, System Lords couldn't be ascended cause they are just more powerful and have bigger armies than normal gods in series and Ancients and Tollans would have soooo high evolution that u can't even imagen.

And come off it for a noob to raise enough naq to go on ppt they would need to hit 60 People with 100 million out... Not gonna happen cos if you saw a noob with 2 or 3 billion out and you see him rising by 100 million every few seconds what are you going to do??

they can aswell attack for more naq and bank naq, if they can't bank it they can always buy weps though they lose 2/16 of naq gained but no1 won't mass or sabb n00b if n00b didn't made nothing to him

Same here Noobs can't protect themselves against being farmed or hit...

when we were n00bs could we protect against being farmed or hit?no, only it's easier now to get more naq than it was year ago and to upgrade ur up, buy better spy levels and so on.

The system needs to be changed, the only time I use PPT is when I have to go into hospital or something like that.. PPT's should not be used by large players to benefit themselves... Because that is not fair...

if u use PPT only when u go to hospital then this is ur problem, u can use it 2 times per week as all other players can use it.and if ppts should not be used by large players, who would then use them?I guess n00bs not.large players involved much more time than n00bs into this game, probably spent more real $ aswel,and they just know better how to play the game so it is fair.for larger players larger amounts mean less than for smaller players so they do not gain that much. PPTs SHOULD STAY AS THEY ARE!

Meh its just a game no need to get so serious.. Im only thinking about the future of the game becuase like i said earlier out of the 20 plus people I got started playing this game only one of them are left ..

Also as soon as you start you have Market Status..

Some of these young people need to understand that if there are no attractions for a new player to the game or no protection or anything like that when we all started then whats the point in playing...

And yes Ascension should be hard to do.. It should be the ultimate goal to do becuase it is too easy to just sit in the G&R points earning G&R while on ppt...

And I was making suggestions no need to come and disect them one by one.. Smartass 15 year olds really bug the crap out of me..

Refresher wrote:the problem with current PPT is that one needs 600k miners/lifers
to hold 6bil in bank , to be able to buy PPT .
now if they have 600k miners they're not new players anymore .
also if some1 with 6bil income/turn buys PPT is it fair that he pays so little(for him) for 48 hours of protection?

get someone to hold the naq for you until you have enough - or get someone to give you the naq for a ppt - and then pay them back in installments.

I really am tired of people saying 'PPT costs too much' - well it used to be that it cost a minimum of $10. The introduction of the market meant that you could at last buy it with in-game resources - but it seems that there is no pleasing some people - the market fluctuates - it just happens that you need to spend a lot of naq at the moment to get a PPT.

I seem to have been saying this a lot recently - but there are a lot of people who want things given to them on a plate - work for it!

And because im so pissed off now im not even gonna bother editing my last post im just going to rant.. I dont even care what your name is who pissed me off im just going to rant because im old and thats what old people do...

I apologise if I sound like an ass.. When I get pissed off I rant.. It is because I am old.. (22) I also have no respect for people who decide to disect my posts with negative comments (I used examples in the post) .. Constructive feedback is acceptable in my world but when you go out of your way to try and put me down the following is this rant..


And since people like discecting my posts here

It's easier for n00bs now cause many players don't even look for 700 mil - to attack, many ppl look for 1.5 bil to attack and they won't get attacked by pro's like we year ago were.they can farm more, they can afford more. there were only 2.000 players which had mothership a year ago, now total n00b get's it with 2-3 attacks.

I dont even look beyond 5 pages south of my position... I only look for over a billion same goes with any player.. If you were a n00b again and you were earning maybe 50 million naq a day and you saw a guy around the same rank as you with 700 million yes your going to attack him..

game cannot be as series, then don't know, System Lords couldn't be ascended cause they are just more powerful and have bigger armies than normal gods in series and Ancients and Tollans would have soooo high evolution that u can't even imagen.

Granted, your right though Goa'uld should not ascend they should become like Anubis... And duh Ancients and Tollans should be more powerful cos they are more powerful... But then they should cost more to do stuff...

they can aswell attack for more naq and bank naq, if they can't bank it they can always buy weps though they lose 2/16 of naq gained but no1 won't mass or sabb n00b if n00b didn't made nothing to him

How long since you were a n00b cos when i was a n00b I was massing people all the time and they were me... And raiding and everything else...

when we were n00bs could we protect against being farmed or hit?no, only it's easier now to get more naq than it was year ago and to upgrade ur up, buy better spy levels and so on.

No there are so many people pissed off with going nowhere cos when they attack people to get naq (like the game originally was) there were more active people.. So of course it is easier now cos I'd say 95% of people below the 20,000 mark are inactive.. But were playing so long that they managed to have a semi decent n00b account... Now they earn 100 million in a few hours making it easier for n00bs I had a mate (Agent Steel) of mine join a few weeks ago within 3 turns he was in the 4000 ranks ... Without my help... (he has since then quit)

if u use PPT only when u go to hospital then this is ur problem, u can use it 2 times per week as all other players can use it.and if ppts should not be used by large players, who would then use them?I guess n00bs not.large players involved much more time than n00bs into this game, probably spent more real $ aswel,and they just know better how to play the game so it is fair.for larger players larger amounts mean less than for smaller players so they do not gain that much. PPTs SHOULD STAY AS THEY ARE!

thats why I said n00bs should only have a set price for 500 million.. Maybe you could have it based on your overall power say less then 5 billion (What i consider a noob account) have it for 500 million naq...

The underlined bit... Jesus I hope you never have to go into hospital.. Cos I have to do that alot lately which is annoying because thats half my bloody time sitting there doing nothing when I coulld be massing some disrespectful little 15 year old.. I dont choose to go to hospital cos if i had it my way I would be online all the time.. massing little disrespectul 15 year olds...

NOW FOR THE OTHER GUY

What would this achieve though? To what end or what purpose would this serve. Instead of people going on PPT for the weekend, or away from the computer for a couple of days, they would just go on vacation mode. Instead of using PPT, people will use vacation mode. The difference is that in vac mode, if you come back or want to play earlier than 48 hours you can't. In PPT you can still log on, direct funds, send messages, etc. I think doing away with it would aggravate people, and possibly drive them away from playing. Is the problem then with people who gain large sums of money while on PPT? If so, that is something that is avaliable to all players. The only limit is how many miners or lifers you have when on PPT, and is possible for someone with a newer account to make a lot when on PPT.

It was an idea...

What about those who are just starting up and need a little break from the game? I remember when I started, it was great to get to PPT status and to finally have that option...it was something like a goal to achieve. A lot of newer players don't have market SS, much less the resources to attain it. Would this create further divisions between newer players and more experienced ones? How would this prevent large players from using PPT, which I think was what you are leaning towards(fairness issue), if it's only avaliable to those with market ss? A lot of the larger players already have market ss and 500 million is peanuts to them.

Same as above just an Idea and see my new idea aka n00blet action

I think there are already limits on PPT. I'm going from the Game Updates page, and haven't really played in about three months(prior from this week...so if there'e newer info. about it I have not read it yet). How are you thinking of separating it for the market? I assume they would have to give something to get PPT, and the market is in place for that. What function would it serve to seperate it from the market trades? If you can't have attacked anyone for two days to be on PPT, and are limited to twice in a week, how would reducing it to once a week made it any easier for newer players? Even if everyone is only allowed to go on it once, the large players would still be at an advantage over the smaller players. It doesn't seem like the homogenization you are trying to achieve(from stratification) would not be served. It would just reduce PPT for everyone.

I wasnt saying just once I said once a week... And damn straight you should only have the option to go on it once a week... 8 Day PPTs ridicilious to morans who mass you and then go on ppt mass you between ppts.. They are only unprotected for 6 days in 2 weeks... Wimps

Ascention and PPT are two separate things(not counting what you get after ascending). They, from my understanding, were created separately, and have no real play one one another. For example, I've been a good ways past the 1000 mark, and have had a large number of g+r points(still do sorta), and never went on PPT(only on it right now, and I'm well below 1000 in standing). Not once, above the 1000 mark(in ranking or g+r points) did I venture onto PPT. Being past 1000 doesn't necessarily mean you will be on PPT more. If there is this choice it would be almost like forcing people to ascend, in that if you reach a certain goal/standing you lose a benefit that people lower than you have. There are those players that choose to not ascend, and it would be like penalizing them for not doing it. There is no requirement that all players must ascend after playing in main. There is no incentive to get any better if you are penalized for not ascending.

You never went on PPT well your one of the good ones... And just to make it absolutely crystal clear ASCENSION anyone can do... I have 10 times the respect for the people who do not ascend then those who ascend... Becuase they have to work harder to get their power.. And who ever said anything about forcing people to ascend.. I am against Ascension on every level why would i want people to ascend.. That is no fun.. And of couse you shouldnt get glory and rep points for being on PPT where is the glory in sitting there and not fighting ... Where is the repetition of being feared.. What is the point?????

And everyone with more then 2 billion out in the top 1000 is on PPT which is so annoying... Cos if you could hit all these guys theres a few billion for your turns... Im sick of looking for people to hit and I cant hit anyone because they are on PPT everyone is on PPT I dont bother with n00bs because none of them have over 1.5 billion (my minimum for naq attacks)

Lets say we are at war with each other. Since PPT is invalid for us we cannot run and hide, but, that means that you can't be at war with anyone. If PPT doesn't work if you are at war with someone, then you have to be at peace, or neutral, with players to use it.

Did you mean that someone you are at war with can attack you when you're on PPT? What happens if you haven't attacked them(or anyone) in two days, and you decide to go away for the weekend on PPT, and then you are attcked by someone you are at war with. You didn't make the first strike, but aren't there to defend yourself. So it isn't that one is hiding on PPT, but a first strike was against you by an ememy when you're on PPT. The only way I could see to solve this is to be at peace(or neutral) with everyone before PPT. That way you're prevented from this occurance of being hit first when you haven't initiated a new battle.

There might be people who cycle through their enemy list to find people on PPT to hit them first invest in strong defense and sit back, or it would force someone to lose the resources they put into PPT, if they are hit by an enemy when their on PPT(same scenario as above...we're at war, I'm on PPt for two mintues now, you attack me and now I'm out of it...what happens to the resources I spent for it...I lose billions for 2 min. of PPT).

Also, there are people on my enemy list who have declared war on me from Dec. for having lots of naq out on PPT. We have never attacked each other, just declared war for naq out. At far as I'm concerned we're at peace, or neutral, why should that be somehting that prevents me from PPT now?

Wow people read into these things too much... If you declare war on someone then you should set them to peace... Thats how that is solved but since you obviosuly didnt understand what I mean

OK THIS IS WHAT I MEANT

If you hit me for naq and then go onto ppt or have some large amount s of naq cos you think its safe with your 50 billion defence.. And I am annoyed with the fact that you are on PPT and i cant hit you for possibly 4 days...

I should have the option of setting war with you back so then for at least 24 hours I can own you for taking my naq.. Or for massing sabbing me...

After 24 hours you can set me to peace or neutral, I cant attack you anymore.. Therefore if you are going to go to the bother of going to war for my naq then you should know that there are consequences, as in I can hit you no matter what, as it should be.. But only for 24 hours.. Or untill you set it back to peace or neutral... If you declare war on me then thats your problem becuase I will never leave you forget it..

The update that I quoted above also prevents people from the 'run and hide' tactic, in that it requires people tohave not attacked for 48 hours to be on PPT.

July7, 2006 You now need to refrain from attacking others for 2 days, and not having used vacation/PPT for 2 days, before you can use the vacation option.

DID YOU ACTUALLY READ IT BECAUSE IM GUESSING NO I HAVE HIGHLIGHTED AND UNDERLINDED THE BIT YOU SHOULD READ

You can still use hit and run tactics.. Which is what alot of people do.. If you set war to me I should be able to own you for as long as you are at war with me...

And finally again I apologise if I sound like an ass.. When I get pissed off I rant.. It is because I am old.. I also have no respect for people who decide to disect my posts with negative comments (I used examples in the post) .. Constructive feedback is acceptable in my world but when you go out of your way to try and put me down the following is this rant..

Other then that... Noone should have to put up with that crap for suggesting something, its the reason the board was created to make suggestions.. No matter how stupid they may sound.. You have a lot to learn son!!

Jamie:

1) Cool off, take the n00bs for what they are... n00bs (this includes the illiterate and those that only read what they want to read... kind of like the "She said, he heard" jokes.

2) Even though you are mad... saying you have 10x more respect for those that don't ascend over those that do... well you just dissed a major portion of the players in your own alliance and a lot of your allies.

3) Don't get mad at people for disecting yoru posts.. It's their opinion.. either correct them (politely) or ignore them....

Jade wrote:Jamie:

1) Cool off, take the n00bs for what they are... n00bs (this includes the illiterate and those that only read what they want to read... kind of like the "She said, he heard" jokes.

2) Even though you are mad... saying you have 10x more respect for those that don't ascend over those that do... well you just dissed a major portion of the players in your own alliance and a lot of your allies.

3) Don't get mad at people for disecting yoru posts.. It's their opinion.. either correct them (politely) or ignore them....

Hehe believe it or not I feel much better...

I never meant to disrespect players that ascend.. Great you ascended what anyone can do but can you get into the top ten and stay there for say a year without ascension... I think that merits more respect then someone who isnt ascended... I mean out of everyone in the top 10 how many of them are unascended??

I apologise for ranting and if I insulted anyone... Im usually level headed.. But if I annoyed anyone catch me on MSN mailto:jamsheehan@hotmail.com

Oh and just so you know Sheehan means peacekeeper haha...

J.S. wrote:

Jade wrote:Jamie:

1) Cool off, take the n00bs for what they are... n00bs (this includes the illiterate and those that only read what they want to read... kind of like the "She said, he heard" jokes.

2) Even though you are mad... saying you have 10x more respect for those that don't ascend over those that do... well you just dissed a major portion of the players in your own alliance and a lot of your allies.

3) Don't get mad at people for disecting yoru posts.. It's their opinion.. either correct them (politely) or ignore them....

Hehe believe it or not I feel much better...

I never meant to disrespect players that ascend.. Great you ascended what anyone can do but can you get into the top ten and stay there for say a year without ascension... I think that merits more respect then someone who isnt ascended... I mean out of everyone in the top 10 how many of them are unascended??

I apologise for ranting and if I insulted anyone... Im usually level headed.. But if I annoyed anyone catch me on MSN mailto:jamsheehan@hotmail.com

Oh and just so you know Sheehan means peacekeeper haha...

Peacekeeping is nice.. but I believe in peace through superior firepower... and ascended players power is superior (on a one on one basis) to non-ascended.. besides.. I actually kind of enjoy the ascended server.. it's slower and more relaxing than main.

J.S. wrote:It is because I am old.. (22) I also have no respect for people who decide to disect my posts with negative comments (I used examples in the post) .. Constructive feedback is acceptable in my world but when you go out of your way to try and put me down the following is this rant..Noone should have to put up with that crap for suggesting something... No matter how stupid they may sound.. You have a lot to learn son!!

I, J.S., in no way meant to insult you. Nor was my post designed to disect your post or to rip it apart. I asked so many questions, and tried to analyze it(I guess it could be considered discetion, but I don't feel it was done negatively), because I didn't/don't understand how it would work. I asked questions to get answers. I thought you had some good beginnings of ideas, but they needed some developing or re-working.

If you have a problem with me, please discuss it in pm. I can understand why you would clear it up on here, in light of your interpretation of how you interpreted my post, but, don't play the age card. I am older than you, if you are 22 yrs. old. Don't call me 'chief', 'sport', or 'son'. Please, please...don't refer to me as a 'smart@$$ 15 year old'. There were a bunch of people who posted about what you said, and I could see how that might be interpreted as an attack, but that wasn't planned(it took me a long time to type that out and to formulate my thoughts properly), so please don't interpret it as a personal attack. If I hurt your feelings in anyway J.S., please accept my apologies, as it was not my intention. Looking back at my post I don't see anything wrong with it(biased of course as seen through my eyes), but I was asking questions, didn't flame, and asked how things would work, what you meant. I consider asking questions, formulating scenarios, and working things out to be constructive. I don't see any instance where I was negative, or went outside of 'constructive feedback'. Since you don't know me, my post style, or how I approach problems, my post might have been interpreted in another light from what it was intended/created to do. For that I again apologize. Please be aware/advised that I consider this issue to be resolved, however, we can discuss this further, if you wish, in private messages.

J.S. wrote:...who ever said anything about forcing people to ascend...

I said something about forcing people to ascend, you didn't. It seemed to me that it would come across as that. I still don't agree with PPT not being avaliable to those above 1000, because you lose a benefit that you had when you weren't that high. I think of it as something that's similar to an opposite of an incentive to getting better/higher(keep in mind I have more that 2K g+r and am well above my minimum requirements to ascend, and haven't brought myself to do it).

since you obviosuly didnt understand what I mean...If you hit me for naq and then go onto ppt...I am annoyed with the fact that you are on PPT and i cant hit you for possibly 4 days...

You are right. I didn't understand what you were talking about. Which is why I asked the questions and posted the scenarios/options. I had interpreted the update from July 7th to mean that you can't go on PPT or vacation mode within 2 days of last attacking someone. I'm certain I read to much into it, if someone can attack and then go onto PPT, but can't attack and go into vacation PPT. Maybe this is an oversight, and should be extended to PPT as it is with vac. PPT? I agree with you, it is a cowardly tactic to hide on bought PPT after an attack. I suppose it the 'free' option of the two, but unless someone attacks for over 6.24 billion naq, or 30.4K UU they'll end up losing out(in that event) overall anyway.

Ah sorry man this has been blown out of proportion... Sorry again..

6,240,000,000=current cost of a ppt

divide that by 380mil=17k uu (corkscrew is buying at that price )

sell 17k uu and you have enough for a ppt if you dont have full ss why the hell you going on ppt you should be working towards full ss


there is nothing wrong with the price of ppt's and i highly doubt it will be changed anytime soon so get use to it folks


ps.if ppts only cost 300mil then you'd all be moaning because you cant farm/raid anyone because there all on ppt

I like the idea about not gaining GNR points when on ppt. Kinda like the NOX insurance.

whos_this wrote:I like the idea about not gaining GNR points when on ppt. Kinda like the NOX insurance.

That would seem fair to me.

I didn't think anyone was supposed to get g+r when on ppt(I was never on ppt when in g+r range)...so, it's news to me.

EDIT: There was something very similar earlier on that I reported to Forum/Jason, and believed that it was a glitch, which has been corrected.