free bank bug

[311 [TA]]

something needs to be done

the idea that if you are sent more money via broker then that fits in your bank to have it slowly get knocked out into the open after a few hours is a great idea

i could still send 100s of billions over someones bank size, they need to go on either a ppt or plan way ahead waht to do with it once they get it

it can be abused by small players, but this can be abused by LARGE players as well dont forget that

it is a BUG, it should be fixed!

[Grand Admiral Martin]

but we can all exploit is so its not bad

[311 [TA]]

but we can all exploit is so its not bad

im not sure if you can say it isnt bad

but I do know that having to manage how big your bank is, trusting friends with bigger banks etc... to hold money for you, going on a ppt to get that covert that is just out of reach..........having to buy weapons and sell them off instead of using bank because you dont have enuff room.......these are things that have been lost.........it was a good thing and it gave the game strategy ........... this is a bug..........and you might like it, but while forum is in the bug fixing mood, he should fix this as well

lets bring the game back elements that force people to use STRATEGY .......and think to get things done.............I like that

[Freestyle304]

Hey there, Psicolix! Long time no talk!

First, I remember when you were going through your ascensions. You found overbanking very useful then! I have no problem if you changed your mind, but I'm curious why. Or, perhaps it is a matter of wanting this changed, but people should use it until it is because that is fair?

As to making that change though - I think it would completely upset the economy of the game at this point. Raiding and buying uu is now a VERY large part of how this game is played. If raiders could not overbank when they made a sale, they wouldn't sell uu until they absolutely needed the naq. I know that I wouldn't. The vulnerability of buying weapons would be too great. Instead, I would keep the uu myself. This would reduce the supply of uu for consumers like yourself and bring the price up even higher!

How do you think this effect should be handled?

[311 [TA]]

He does not suggest the money that is overbanked goes into open when it happens at first...........it would take 12-24 hours to start coming out

and if you are unable to do business in that time, then you need to better plan things out

[Freestyle304]

It's not a matter of needing better planning if you can't spend the naq in 12-24 hours. It's a matter of having a plan that you don't like or think violates the game somehow. Having naq in the bank from trades allows that money to be there, for instance, for a later point when you want to raise in the ranks for g&r or rebuild during war.

I am simply pointing out that, if the naq can't be left in the bank after trading, people will be less likely to sell until just before they need the naq. Fewer sellers will drive the price up more. The whole economy of raiding and selling uu will have to change. Raiders will end up keeping more miners or spending the naq on building up their accounts right away. If they build up their accounts and keep a larger army size, they will likely stop raiding. Many, though not all, people stop raiding when they get bigger.

You can throw "should" at me, but my point is that it will change the economy of the game and not just the strategy. Most, if not all, of those good old days of strategy before the trade broker were also before raiding.

[PSICOLIX]

hey free, long time, i never "changed" my mind, i used to make my life easier, and i probaly used IT more than any1 else, and i agree it will change the gameplay, but its a good thing.
JUST SOMETHING about me, i was a trader, i traded more than any1 else in this game my broker had 4236 deals last time i counted. take 5 MIN to load my broker page, BUT i'm retired, i defended with passion the "turns exploit" but forum "FIXed" IT, and this need be FIXed too. being completaly honest, i DON"T trade anymore, i can't get UUs, becuase the cap, i used to sell ATs for UUs, so i have NO use for 10K+ turns, since i don't raid or trade anymore, and MY bank in 2,4 TRill now. so i'm good with that too. but i fell i had to ask to the 50k limit and since forum don't gave it for us, its unfair keep the BANK exploit.

MY REASONS R 3:
1st- if forum is FIXING, all need to be FIXED.
2nd- will FIX the undefended UUs after trade.
3rd- it will make the market more interesting, peaple will need FAST deals, at crazy rates, smaller trades will be going on, and finaly the free bank woude END.

PS: if u r a decent RAIDER, in 1 month u will have +- 4 Mill army, that enouth to a 50 Bill bank, and again, ATs for UUs r always a option.

PS52: RAIDers need sell to get more ATs, if they keep the UUs they will not get more ATs, that means less raiders, that means easier to raid, that means cheaper prices, so as u can see i can make the prices go cheaper too. BUT i know the prices will not change because of this, the prices only go UP becuase there BIG idiots players who pay 500+ MILL/K. i don't directly buy UUs in 3-4 weeks now, why shoude I? since i can buy 1k at for 8 BILL and TRADE it for 18k UUs? giving me the rate of 444 MILL/K? even cheaper with u think a litle more in how get the ATs.

[Sleipnir]

For once I actually agree with you PSICOLIX. I only recently found out about the broker overbanking bug. As was mentioned, bank size used to matter. If we were meant to be able to overbank, why have a limit at all? So I give you 2 options. Either remove the ability to use brokers to overbank your naq, in whatever way you see fit. Otherwise, remove the bank limit entirely. Economy be damned. It's already been affected by a gazillion updates, I doubt there will be any more impact from this update.

[Lore]

I courious,
@ psicolix, I traded with you many times and I agree with you on this needing to be fixed but why did you wait till you no longer needed it before you spoke up?

@ Sleipnir, what exactly defines a 1. bug, 2. exploit, 3. cheat?

I see so many thing being called one thing then another and some "small" things getting fixed while "big" ones are let go.

I mean heck I think the "dropping rank" for the rank modifier is a exploit too. Whats fair about that?

Well this to me is one of those situation where its been broke so long I'm not sure it should be fixed. You can't tell me no one knew about it either(Admin/forum). Its just like the donations thing. They knew about it but chose to wait to fix it for what ever reason.

Heck I'm a player of average knowledge and I know of 8 to 10 different bugs/exploits/cheats used on a daily basis. I'm sure others know way more then me. My problem is the ones I think are B/E/C (like data tampering) forums says is ok, and the ones I thought were viable tactics(like the donations) are concidered cheats by forum.


A defined list and criterial needs to be put in place and followed. And not by the majority but by all, no exceptions. just my 2 cents

[Finarfin]

Removing the ability for the bank to overflow totally ruins everyone trying to ascend with decent funds. How is it fair that other people who are now LG+1 have been able to use this, and those currently ascending to get to that spot are not allowed to do this? This is only a good idea once you reach a certain bank size, eg, 2.4 trillion. You wouldn't suggest this if you had a bank space under 100b.