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J.S. wrote:No a 14K player is definatly a Multi..

Just so you know anyone defending these guys in this thread will be massed by me..

This guy took another planet so since he too has nothing I am just gonna take out my frustration on everyone defending them in this thread

http://www.stargatewars.com/stats.php?id=68358

BTW it was 4.5 billion NO one who has a small account can do that on their own!!

Massing someone because they say there is a possibility he's not a multi is wrong. On that note, What's his ID? maybe he's been massed into nothingness, and decided to turn his account into a planet stealing machine. He might not be a multi.

RobinInDaHood wrote:If the planet had the proper and required 30+ billion defense that I've been preaching about, it could not have been taken or massed.

How is it that they can not be taken or massed with a 30+ bill def?? I'm courious here.

I can mass a 30+ bill def so if I can do it why can't a multi?

or are you just stating the cost would be to high for it to be worth it?

In order to mass a 30 billion planet defense, you'd have to have 6 billion worth of fleet strength, minimum. Anything less and you'd take devastating damage which destroys 80-90% of your fleets on the first hit. So, the attempt made on JS's planet by a 4.5 billion fleet would have failed.

Even with 6 billion in fleets, you'll take huge damage after each hit which will have to be repaired (I'd estimate 300-700 million naq per hit) and you might have to hit the planet 100 times or more.

Building a 6 billion fleet strength is expensive. For me, 6 billion fleet strength is 10,760 fleets at a cost of ~700 billion naq. Not an impossible task but a lot of resources to waste on a multi account solely for the purpose of swiping a few planets.

RobinInDaHood wrote:In order to mass a 30 billion planet defense, you'd have to have 6 billion worth of fleet strength, minimum. Anything less and you'd take devastating damage which destroys 80-90% of your fleets on the first hit. So, the attempt made on JS's planet by a 4.5 billion fleet would have failed.

Even with 6 billion in fleets, you'll take huge damage after each hit which will have to be repaired (I'd estimate 300-700 million naq per hit) and you might have to hit the planet 100 times or more.

Building a 6 billion fleet strength is expensive. For me, 6 billion fleet strength is 10,760 fleets at a cost of ~700 billion naq. Not an impossible task but a lot of resources to waste on a multi account solely for the purpose of swiping a few planets.

Not impossible for you but for a guy with a 100K army and one that size there has to be something wrong there..

Funding another account for the sole purpose of bending the rules is a form of cheating in my mind.

Please point me to the part of the rules where having no stats and a nice MS is against the rules. Until you can do that, then yes, it's all in your mind.

I make a few hundred billion a week if I decided to get a friend to join up and fund his UP and his MS would that make me a cheater?

Correct, it would be okay. Nothing in the rule states that you cannot send resources to an account just for the sole purpose of planet stealing - as long as that is the planet stealers only account.

Becuase what your saying is that is ok!!

Yes, it is okay. I understand why you're angry - a nice planet of yours probably got stolen. Perhaps more defense on it would be in order. But as others have pointed out, just because someone has no stats beside a nice MS does not make them a multi.

I don't see why this thread is even allowed to stay open without any proof.

GL with your planets in the future.

J.S. wrote:

RobinInDaHood wrote:In order to mass a 30 billion planet defense, you'd have to have 6 billion worth of fleet strength, minimum. Anything less and you'd take devastating damage which destroys 80-90% of your fleets on the first hit. So, the attempt made on JS's planet by a 4.5 billion fleet would have failed.

Even with 6 billion in fleets, you'll take huge damage after each hit which will have to be repaired (I'd estimate 300-700 million naq per hit) and you might have to hit the planet 100 times or more.

Building a 6 billion fleet strength is expensive. For me, 6 billion fleet strength is 10,760 fleets at a cost of ~700 billion naq. Not an impossible task but a lot of resources to waste on a multi account solely for the purpose of swiping a few planets.

Not impossible for you but for a guy with a 100K army and one that size there has to be something wrong there..

He could have sold his UU like I did. Several million UU bring a good price....

If say (I'm gonna use one of my mates here) Jenny stole my planet, I can just go in and take it back, then he can take it back etc.. We could mass eachother and eventually when one of us gets bored we give up...

This is how I'm sure Admin intended the planet system to be used..

Planet pirates, are ONLY here for the sole purpose of bending the way the game is played..

Yeah a planet can be stolen big deal, that IS how the game is meant to be played.. Thats not what bothers me.. What bothers me is the fact that these guys ONLY play to steal planets.

Se7en you prove to me that this player is NOT a multi and is not soley being used by someone else for the sole purpose of getting planets. Then I will leave you try to patronise me all you like!

This is how I'm sure Admin intended the planet system to be used..

Planet pirates, are ONLY here for the sole purpose of bending the way the game is played..

Yeah a planet can be stolen big deal, that IS how the game is meant to be played.. Thats not what bothers me.. What bothers me is the fact that these guys ONLY play to steal planets.

Well, frankly put, since Admin hasn't outlawed accounts strickly made for planet stealing, or accounts that just steal planets - it IS how he intends the planet system to be used. It can change in the future, but for right now, they're legal and allowed. Also, admin has stated MULTIPLE times that planets were not meant to stay with one person forever.

Se7en you prove to me that this player is NOT a multi and is not soley being used by someone else for the sole purpose of getting planets. Then I will leave you try to patronise me all you like!

Firstly, you cannot prove a negative. Secondly, the burden of proof when it comes to showing someone as a multi rests on YOU. You can't just claim someone is a multi without showing any proof of it and ask others to post proof of his innocence.

I have nothing at all against you personally - but you just can't just go around and paint someone who took your planet as a cheater without any proof. Maybe if you had been spied by a different account moments before that had a ID close to the planet stealer ID then it would be a little fishy. But as it's been shown by many people on this thread and myself, it's possible to have a small army size, decent UP, and nice mothership - all without cheating.

Grab your planet back and put more defense on it if you need to - because unless you've got proof of this guy being a multi - you're just throwing around baseless accusations which normally result in locking of a thread.

Regards,
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http://herebegames.com/StarGateWars/vie ... carthanius

J.S. look at that post. These two have been at this for some time it seems. I also think they are probably multies, but other then reporting them in email and asking GameMod (HA! HA! HA!) to investigate this there is little that can be done.

We can sit on their accounts, we can make it very expensive for them to keep those MS but I dont think we can totally stop them. I would bet however that the person/people behind their actions has posted in this thread already however