not the brightest wrote:CrimsonFrost I am not going to be insulted in an online thread. Your posts are full of attacks on my education level. I am not going to cite every damn thing I say since most is opinion and I am not asking you to go research no duh stuff. I am not stupid and will not be treated as such. Israel has no right to the land even when they did occupy it they stole it from the people who lived there (that is in the Bible
). It is the same thing in the United States, we stole our land from whoever owned it.
Just as before, you cherry picked out of my entire post to twist things to your perspective. Way to ignore about 3 pages of posting.
May I also point out how often Atheism tends to strike a relationship with Communism and Socialism, other natural enemies of the United States. How about that? Noam Chomsky, heh. At least you made one point very clear on your thoughts:
"I AM NOT GOING TO CITE BECAUSE IT IS BASED ON OPINION." Well, well, that doesn't sound like the typical academic response of an avowed, intelligent atheist that has obviously committed some things to heart. I mean, it's only a viewpoint of life that has a profound impact on our entire lives. Why put any thought or research into it? It's obvious I have.
Btw, as for that "land stealing" by Israel, yet again, I say go read your history books. That land was granted to Israel by the United Nations in 1947 because the Jews had already gotten together from the entire world after being ravaged by psychpaths like Hitler. The "creation of Israel" by the UN was almost a formality more then anything else. Just as a reminder, the UN is a group that is composed of the ENTIRE WORLD. That does not consitute "Israel stealing land." Get over your Zionist conspiracy crap. I have the time and patience to research my thoughts, and don't just talk out of my butt because what I'm saying sounds cool. If your an atheist, fine. But actually take the time to research into it and come to an informed decision instead of just cherry picking a few random facts while quoting some random anti-Christian website. It's just .. goofy.
Gatedialer wrote:Well since nothing can be born Evil, as thats just stupid, It can't happen and the problem won't arise.
I'm not sure, but I don't think the Judeo-Christian Bible says that people are evil. I think that people are born neutral, and as they experience the world and people their mindset shifts into doing things that are considered immoral. But this is mostly conjecture on my part.
not the brightest wrote:@Xeno of course when having sex birth control should be used. If people used birth control most of the problems in Africa could be avoided. We should give out birth control not tell them not to have sex since that never works.
I'd have to disagree on that note.. I think condom usage would be a much better idea, because STD's such as AID's are what is really ravaging Africa more then just the children themselves. (Although I think that is what you were thinking when writing that in the first place.) Of course I think not having sex at all is better, but that is much harder to advocate.
not the brightest wrote:"There are none righteous no not one."
Calvinists say that we are totally depraved. Every Christian that I know says that man is wicked at heart that is why we need God, corrupted human nature etc born into sin.
Again, a nice cherry picked sentence. The context you are using in your sentence is self-defeating as the Bible has more then once declared certain men righteous:
his is the account of Noah.
Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked with God. (Gen 6:9)
Because
Joseph her husband was a righteous man and did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly. (Mat 1:19)
Now there was a man in
Jerusalem called Simeon, who was righteous and devout. He was waiting for the consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him. (Luke 2:25)
And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of
righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. (Mat 23:35)
and if he rescued Lot, a
righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard) (2 Pet 2:7,8)
Was not our ancestor Abraham considered
righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? (James 2:21)
As we can see, you are clearly taking what was said out of context. As this interesting website pointed out;
"According to these Scriptures, Noah, Joseph, Simeon, Abel, Zechariah, Lot and Abraham are all clearly cited as being righteous. If we had no other Scriptures except any one of these we should know something is terribly wrong with the eternal security idea that there are none that are righteous and that we are all sinners, even Christians. "
A better understanding of the context that was truly meant is as I quote,
" What did Paul mean by "there is none righteous" in Romans 3:10?
In Romans 3:10 we read: as it is written, ""THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE;" If you continue to read the context of what is being said Paul is addressing being justified by faith in Christ compared to being justified by the works of the Law. Read Romans 3:19-31 and see that Paul is addressing that no one is perfect or righteous in the sense of them being without sin, and that we all fall short to God's glory. Paul would not be saying anyone was not "righteous" in the sense of people living godly lives and being called "righteous." Consider what Paul said of himself: "4 although I myself might have confidence even in the flesh. If anyone else has a mind to put confidence in the flesh, I far more: 5 circumcised the eighth day, of the nation of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; as to the Law, a Pharisee; 6 as to zeal, a persecutor of the church; as to the righteousness which is in the Law, found blameless. 7 But whatever things were gain to me, those things I have counted as loss for the sake of Christ. 8 More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them but rubbish so that I may gain Christ, 9 and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith." (Philippians 3:4-9) Paul said of himself that he was concerning the Law "blameless." What does Paul mean by that? Paul was stating that he was living a life that was in accord with the Laws of God, not that he was without sin. So in context and knowing a bit about the life of Paul we know that Romans 3:10 is not proving that man is totally depraved as what Calvinism attempts to teach. " (
http://www.afcministry.com/Calvinism_none_righteous.htm )
I won't re-invent the wheel, here is a quite lengthy response to the whole "righteous" question.
http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/nonerighteous.htm
And with that I bid you all goodnight