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How about this? Reset ascended, but leave the powerups. Mind you I don't really want a reset, nor do I think it will ever happen. I'm one of those people you're trying to kick out. But sure, make it just leave the powerups. Or even better, convert the powerups into ALF and then back to APP. Make everyone reinvest and play right again. I doubt the rankings will change much.

pfff all these suggestions....are you trying to make Main unbalanced as much as ascended is?
1% for every mill planets?

Thats just crazy with the other bonus suggested people would have over 200% bonus wich is unacceptable.
Giving main power tru ascension is also unacceptable as those can still grow + add to their main account....
You CoP[+suckups] arent creating solutions to solve the ascension server you only want more power ......... people in ascended will just sacrife to a certain point so they can control ascended AND main.....
Try find a solution thats fair for everyone not just the big accounts....

Psi Kiya Trist wrote:what of those who already sacrificed a great deal to be strong in a server they thought was permament?

do they get no advantage to actually playing smarter than everyone else?

~_+Psi Kiya Trist+_~

As far as I can tell there is nothing anywhere saying that the ascension server doesn't reset. The main server, yep, but nothing about the ascension server. Now that's not a justification about it just something to say that it was assumed to be the case but doesn't necessarily have to be the case.

Saber wrote:I would not agree with a reset to ascension if that happened that would mean some of the people that sacrificed 100mil uu would be wasted I mean a 25% bonus in main won't be able to make up for the uu they sacrificed. Plus what of the people who have already ascended 10times that would mean any noob could be ahead of them with just 1 ascension.

That's why you'd be able to ascend past the 10th time. The first ascension for someone and the 11th ascesnion don't give the same main bonus obviously but they could give the same ascended bonus assuming that they sacrificed the same amount.

As for the trading between Main and ascended or using ascended resources for that, I didn't say anything about that. I think the system is okay now just that the ascended server needs to be periodically reset.

@Hensenshi - what do you mean by the power ups? The main ones? They'd be staying or the ascended being ones?

I do like the suggestions elsewhere of making resource planets unraidable although I know part of the attraction of ascended is that nothing is safe.

Tekki wrote:@Hensenshi - what do you mean by the power ups? The main ones? They'd be staying or the ascended being ones?

The power up section in ascended. Charisma, production, covert enhancements, defense enhancements etc.

Hmmmm, keeping the upgrades might be a solution, however this would create a myriad of problems as to the cost of things aka buying upgrades... it wouldnt be worth it at all till right near the end of the year.... What if the personal stats were kept the same, and fair warning given.. the stronger players could all stack heaps of resources into their personal stats and have a clear advantage in the next wave, however it wouldnt create a problem with the cost up upgrades as such, also provides incentive for increasing max life force etc. ... mabye combine this with a bonus for the year depending on your end rank in ascended, could work out.. what would you think about this kind of thing?

I have an idea. Why DON'T we have just one update that DOES benefit the stronger people? I mean, really, we played the game well. And because we did, you want to significantly alter the rules of the game? How is that fair? A reset of ascension is NOT going to happen. Ascension is linked to main and therefore, until main resets, ascension will not.

And I am just going to say this once: ASCENSION is a CHOICE people. No one is FORCED to ascend, just the same way that no one is FORCED to play Quantum if they play SGW. It is a choice. You either choose to play ascended and take your chances or you don't and you just play SGW. You can't have it both ways (even though currently you do). Those of you who ascended just for the bonuses in main and to get access to ascended weaponry are fooling yourselves to think that that choice would not come back to bite you in your fourth point of contact. And trying to punish us in both servers for playing well in both is absolutely ridiculous. This suggestion is basically saying to me, "Thanks for sacrificing all of your main stuff to play ascension but we are going to screw you over and make you do it all over again but we aren't going to give any of it back." That's not going to happen.

Here's a suggestion that I have been mulling over and I will throw it out now, just to see what people think. Since your ascension realm has planets, I have often thought it would be a good idea to link the planets in main to the ascension account. Here is my suggestion: allow planets to be built up using either main or ascension resources, but size increases come from the ascended realm side only. In order to increase the size of a planet, you have to expend ascension planets. Essentially, your ascended being wills a number of your ascension planets to mass together to increase the size and mass of your existing planets. This will have several effects. First of all, it will slow down the growth of the bigger accounts in ascension (I know it will mine) as we will be expending ascension resources on building bigger and badder planets. Secondly, it will give us a small advantage in main for having played ascension well without being too unbalancing. Also, perhaps a maximum number of planets can be transferred to your main realm, based on your ascension size (ie. you cannot totally destroy the cohesion of your ascension realm to build a lot of planets in main type of thing). This rewards those of us who have played well in ascension and does not necessarily unbalance the main realm unduly (just allows us to get a little back for all the main resources we expended to get to the point where we are and the reason some of you have any chance at all against us in main currently). Just a thought.

No no NO.

Ascended wont ever reset anyway it cant possibly reset unless main does which isn't ever going to.

Cry al you like but you could be thinking of POSSIBLE ideas to make it mroe balanced.

Im sorry but if you want to reduce people or put them to 0abilities/0planets w/e theya re going to expect a BIG payoff in main. I for one definatly will.

"And I am just going to say this once: ASCENSION is a CHOICE people. No one is FORCED to ascend, just the same way that no one is FORCED to play Quantum if they play SGW. It is a choice. You either choose to play ascended and take your chances or you don't and you just play SGW. You can't have it both ways (even though currently you do). Those of you who ascended just for the bonuses in main and to get access to ascended weaponry are fooling yourselves to think that that choice would not come back to bite you in your fourth point of contact. And trying to punish us in both servers for playing well in both is absolutely ridiculous. This suggestion is basically saying to me, "Thanks for sacrificing all of your main stuff to play ascension but we are going to screw you over and make you do it all over again but we aren't going to give any of it back." That's not going to happen."

No offence dude, but if you seriously think ascension is a choice you really need to go play a noob account for a bit, the weapons alone mean your fighting at a ~25% disadvantage with stats, and thats against a prior, against a lg/ag its then 40-50%... its not a choice, I CHOSE not to ascend for several months... however realising I was getting totally pwned simply because of the weapons difference I ascended... Can you name one person that isnt ascended with say... 50 mil army size? If you can how many are there? I'd rather be ascended with 0% bonus than any normal race.

I can however see your point with sacrificing main resources then losing a crapload in ascended. So, instead of just bashing this sugggestion, propose something that may be acceptable to you? You want more power in ascended, doing so by forum atm would just be ridiculous, with one alliance having a complete monopoly over it he simply cannot morally put an update in. If you sacrifice some power there, then mabye people will be willing to give ascended more swing, however though you guys would likely still have a huge advantage... there needs to still be some possible way to catch up, or make the server playable for everyone else. Please suggest something... Mabye you should be given some resources in main... or even a 50% bonus... (I'm still against permanent bonuses as main will become uncompetitive for those without it)...

I think this came out too offensive, I'm sorry about that, but you are just slandering the topic without offering an alternative that both is acceptable to you and doesnt completely disadvantage us.

"Here's a suggestion that I have been mulling over and I will throw it out now, just to see what people think. Since your ascension realm has planets, I have often thought it would be a good idea to link the planets in main to the ascension account. Here is my suggestion: allow planets to be built up using either main or ascension resources, but size increases come from the ascended realm side only. In order to increase the size of a planet, you have to expend ascension planets. Essentially, your ascended being wills a number of your ascension planets to mass together to increase the size and mass of your existing planets. This will have several effects. First of all, it will slow down the growth of the bigger accounts in ascension (I know it will mine) as we will be expending ascension resources on building bigger and badder planets. Secondly, it will give us a small advantage in main for having played ascension well without being too unbalancing. Also, perhaps a maximum number of planets can be transferred to your main realm, based on your ascension size (ie. you cannot totally destroy the cohesion of your ascension realm to build a lot of planets in main type of thing). This rewards those of us who have played well in ascension and does not necessarily unbalance the main realm unduly (just allows us to get a little back for all the main resources we expended to get to the point where we are and the reason some of you have any chance at all against us in main currently). Just a thought."

Hmmm... sort of like being able to create super planets for main.. are you talking just size or their stats as well? I think it should be both... this is a good idea , I think the defences should be left to the main account though. I'm a bit worried about the size that some up planets could get up to... but it sounds alright. (sorry for attacking you in that last parra for not posting suggestions... this is a good one)

I still think they should be linked more IE the more troops you got in main the quicker you grow on ascended possibly 1mil uu on main gives you 0.5% boost on ascended? Makes sense to me, and then you're ascended account can bosot your main account by giving various upgrades such as an income boost.

So the 2 help eachother grow better.

~Phoenix~ wrote:I still think they should be linked more IE the more troops you got in main the quicker you grow on ascended possibly 1mil uu on main gives you 0.5% boost on ascended? Makes sense to me, and then you're ascended account can bosot your main account by giving various upgrades such as an income boost.

So the 2 help eachother grow better.

I dunno... it should be possible to do alright in ascended without a strong main account.. this owuld make it harder... something the other way would be alright...

Lord_Zeus wrote:

~Phoenix~ wrote:I still think they should be linked more IE the more troops you got in main the quicker you grow on ascended possibly 1mil uu on main gives you 0.5% boost on ascended? Makes sense to me, and then you're ascended account can bosot your main account by giving various upgrades such as an income boost.

So the 2 help eachother grow better.

I dunno... it should be possible to do alright in ascended without a strong main account.. this owuld make it harder... something the other way would be alright...

Why should it. Small ppl just keep playing ascended while big ascended ppl keep buying upgrades for main. So small ones can catch up.

oh srry, thought you meant like a permanent thing... sorta got like 10 mil planets in ascended, so 5% bonus... get raided or something say down to 5 mil and lose 2.5% of it.. yeah I'm up for something like this... if its not perm

Lord_Zeus wrote:

~Phoenix~ wrote:I still think they should be linked more IE the more troops you got in main the quicker you grow on ascended possibly 1mil uu on main gives you 0.5% boost on ascended? Makes sense to me, and then you're ascended account can bosot your main account by giving various upgrades such as an income boost.

So the 2 help eachother grow better.

I dunno... it should be possible to do alright in ascended without a strong main account.. this owuld make it harder... something the other way would be alright...

i know of a top 50 size account on ascension with only 9ish mil armysize on main.

~_+Psi Kiya Trist+_~

Lord_Zeus wrote:

~Phoenix~ wrote:I still think they should be linked more IE the more troops you got in main the quicker you grow on ascended possibly 1mil uu on main gives you 0.5% boost on ascended? Makes sense to me, and then you're ascended account can bosot your main account by giving various upgrades such as an income boost.

So the 2 help eachother grow better.

I dunno... it should be possible to do alright in ascended without a strong main account.. this owuld make it harder... something the other way would be alright...

I know of a top 10 ascended account that is under 20mill army in main. That'd be mine actually. It just requires skill.

Hensenshi wrote:

Lord_Zeus wrote:

~Phoenix~ wrote:I still think they should be linked more IE the more troops you got in main the quicker you grow on ascended possibly 1mil uu on main gives you 0.5% boost on ascended? Makes sense to me, and then you're ascended account can bosot your main account by giving various upgrades such as an income boost.

So the 2 help eachother grow better.

I dunno... it should be possible to do alright in ascended without a strong main account.. this owuld make it harder... something the other way would be alright...

I know of a top 10 ascended account that is under 20mill army in main. That'd be mine actually. It just requires skill.

What is the skill part? Ahh you mean being in CoP as the skill part ok then nvm