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Well in theory you could float across the Atlantic in a raft, just like animals can spread from islands to the mainland on logs etc. I do think that the Norse made it to America before Columbus, but I don't think that there was any contact before that. New knowledge is added daily so your theory might become the norm, but as of now the textbook answer is that no contact happened. Well it depends on you define contact as well because we all came from Africa so there was contact then

Apadamek The Tyrant wrote:
P.S. as for the sabertooth tiger thing. Er we find saber tooth tigers ALL the time their bones and such. Babylon was a very highly agricultural civilization it's quite easy to assume they simply dug it up and presumed it to be the bone of some ancient god.

not the particular species, can't remeber the exact name but it was only found on the american area. The bone structure was larger then the european, african and asian varieties. +

you must also not forget that the chinese had huge sailing ships hundreds of years before the europeans... the contact could just as easily have gone that way... across the pacific...

it is a fact that vikings went to america long before colombus was born...

but due to a small family squabble with some murders and such, vinland(america), was decided not to be colonized...

while egyptians may not have travelled trans-atlantically, what makes you sure no other culture in europe/middle east did it in ancient times?

you must also not forget that the chinese had huge sailing ships hundreds of years before the europeans...

It is however, a general consensus that despite organized efforts of several emperors to expand the cartographic knowledge of china, they never reached america.

it is a fact that vikings went to america long before colombus was born...

Aff... Jora, you have been under a rock, this is old news.

while egyptians may not have travelled trans-atlantically, what makes you sure no other culture in europe/middle east did it in ancient times?

Define 'ancient times'; I will grant the potential for African's discovering the new world circa Mansa Abubakari II (though I personally don't believe it)... and I withhold judgment on the Egyptian Cocoa... but I simply do not see the necessary tech/motivation pre-800ish to allow for 'discovery' in the sense that we speak.

The Xeno wrote:

you must also not forget that the chinese had huge sailing ships hundreds of years before the europeans...

It is however, a general consensus that despite organized efforts of several emperors to expand the cartographic knowledge of china, they never reached america.

?? who built all the chinatowns then????

Define 'ancient times'; I will grant the potential for African's discovering the new world circa Mansa Abubakari II (though I personally don't believe it)... and I withhold judgment on the Egyptian Cocoa... but I simply do not see the necessary tech/motivation pre-800ish to allow for 'discovery' in the sense that we speak.

anyways.. there's still big mysteries waiting to be solved.

there has been more than just the vikings who discovered america first, and the same with austrailia, many a civilisation found aussie before the british claimed to. i jst dont remember any of the names. its on an episode of qi and they are always right.

Corran Horn wrote:?? who built all the chinatowns then????

Chinese Americans...
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(AK) incandecio wrote:i jst dont remember any of the names. its on an episode of qi and they are always right.

... I appreciate your effort, but even I, as much an ardent supporter of the search function as anyone - would not recommend the unenlightened to shift through five years of Qi episodes for the correct one.
You have provided tantalizing statements, but no way for us to even begin to explore them.

(AK) incandecio wrote:there has been more than just the vikings who discovered america first

that'd suggest some kinda joined expedition whoever discovered it FIRST it was only one, not many more

, and the same with austrailia, many a civilisation found aussie before the british claimed to. i jst dont remember any of the names. its on an episode of qi and they are always right.

i'd say australia was discoverd by aborigenes...

Come_Forth wrote:Exactly Apadamek, I have taken several ancient history courses from some well known professors, and there is no way in hell that the Egyptians crossed the Atlantic. Next we will start saying that the 10 plagues actually happened to the Egyptians I have worked on a dig with National Geographic in the southern area of the US and I know that the Archeologists I worked with do not believe that Egypt ever came in contact with the Native Americans.

the Phoenicians.

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aye. they were brilliant sailors. if the crossing was feasible then it might have happend. obviously not as a regular trade thing but occasionaly.

ah.. btw. america was first discovered by these fellas that crossed the bering strait some 20k years ago

Good posts Corran and Psi.

Corran Horn wrote:aye. they were brilliant sailors. if the crossing was feasible then it might have happend. obviously not as a regular trade thing but occasionaly.

ah.. btw. america was first discovered by these fellas that crossed the bering strait some 20k years ago

They didn't discover it! The animals they were following did. Hmmph, no one ever gives credit to animals LMAO. Oye and the people who crossed the strait really didn't think that hey we are in a new world, this is an amazing discovery. The people who crossed the strait thought "Damn animals, they make me walk! Grunt"

Phoenicians were brilliant sailors and I would choose them as the most likely candidate for discovering the "New World" if it was ever discovered pre viking.

As for Vikings, they did discover the New World. There colony was unsuccessful, hence why for so long they were not given credit.

Columbus led the first successful colonization of the New World. I don't consider the people who crossed the strait as a successful colonization since they didn't think that way back then anyway.


Oh yeah and JORA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

vinny d wrote:They didn't discover it! The animals they were following did. Hmmph, no one ever gives credit to animals ...The people who crossed the strait thought "Damn animals, they make me walk! Grunt"...

Why just say that those who discovered it were teh people who broke off with it when Pangea split?