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Eomund wrote:

[SGC_ReplicÅtors] wrote:ok 50million APP thats some magical number i pulled what can i do with that

not saying this is the best layout or anything, but 50mil APP at the current conversion of 1250LF:1APP could get you:

LVL 600 charisma and production
LVL 300 in every other upgrade available
with ~3.8 billion LF leftover

get your fleets up to 100k (cost ~10tril DMU or like a couple tril naq) and you'll be making 34.3mil planets/day

If what Eomund is saying is true and I have no reason to doubt him, then you are a fool to wait till the end of the year to ascend. If you ascend now and get your planet production to 34.3 million planets per day, well let's see, you could have almost 2 billion planets by the end of the year and you would be barely out of your undescendable period, at which point, I don't think you are going to have to worry about it.

And consider this: I make, in less than two days, what you are ascending with right now. Think about it. However long it took you to amass that amount of APP, my ascension account produces more than that EVERY two days. So, if you wait until the end of the year to ascend, my account will have done the equivalent of over 30 of your ascensions.

i could care less if u can out produce me in 2 days or even 1 turn, or if others can outproduce me.


atm im just calculating and seeing my best options

Wait, so every two days you get the equivalent of 62,500,000,000,000 when converted to dmu. I don't think many people will catch up to that who weren't far behind you anyway.

Finarfin wrote:Wait, so every two days you get the equivalent of 62,500,000,000,000 when converted to dmu. I don't think many people will catch up to that who weren't far behind you anyway.

No I don't make that much. I don't know anyone who does. However, SGC Replicators is not getting that much LF either, at least according to my math. At 50 million APP, he will get 62.5 BILLION LF, not 62.5 trillion LF. And yes, in two days I make at least 62.5 billion LF.

SGC, I am telling you that every day that you wait, you are losing ground. I am trying to help you. But you go ahead and be stupid and insulting. I tried to help. But so be it. If you are going to be insulting and rude to those that try and help you, don't ask for help in the first place. Peace out.

Eomund wrote:

[SGC_ReplicÅtors] wrote:ok 50million APP thats some magical number i pulled what can i do with that

not saying this is the best layout or anything, but 50mil APP at the current conversion of 1250LF:1APP could get you:

LVL 600 charisma and production
LVL 300 in every other upgrade available
with ~3.8 billion LF leftover

get your fleets up to 100k (cost ~10tril DMU or like a couple tril naq) and you'll be making 34.3mil planets/day

Lol .... that's quite wrong.

You can't get lvl 600 charisma, you'll need 51.75 mil APP.

A good way to spend the 50 mil APP would be to get 525 charisma, 720 production, 100 in flow, 300 in everything else and you could decide later what to do with lf - you can get it to 150 anyway with what's left.

yeah, sorry. Apparently the equations I was using work perfectly on the development server beyond level 500, but not on the real server. So Forum must have changed it on real, but left it the same on development. Now I gotta go figure out how to fix my equations for past 500

To get level 600 carisma and production u need:
66,813,852 APP


that converts into 80 B LF which wouild cost you 800 TRIl DMU...

=]

as for someone who said convert some of your life force cache to reserves i can say dont do it its a waste of LF especially if u are ascending first time coz u have 60 days of protection and your reserves will fill up with your own chaneling skills generated LF And like someone said go with charisma and production in first place

D3ath wrote:as for someone who said convert some of your life force cache to reserves i can say dont do it its a waste of LF especially if u are ascending first time coz u have 60 days of protection and your reserves will fill up with your own chaneling skills generated LF And like someone said go with charisma and production in first place

that was me... but if you get yourself 200 max life force for example thats somehting like 40mill LF reserves?

why not sacrifice such a small amount of LF for filling that and every turn your getting LF cache... which you can spend...

it also depends on your recovery rates at max... some people might have really low recovery rates at max and have a HUGE max LF and it will take far longer than 60 days to fill but then if they do that its their own fault...

TheRook

if you have 50mill APP I'd love to see your GnR screen to see what you've got/sacrificing to the ascension for that would you mind pm'ing me it Repli? unless your sacrificing EVERYTHING

i give a screenshot to u in december

Here's what i would spend my LF on if i ascnded for the 1st time with a lot of APP:

Charisma=500 you can get more, but until you get a reasonable number of fleets 500 is plenty to be getting along with.

Production=200 get more when you actually have some planets, until then it's largely wasted.

Personal stats
200 energy attack, attack power level
500 repulsion, defense, absorbtion, con
That will make you incredibly tough to descend unless someone like Mojo comes for you and TBH if he does there's bugger all you can do to stop him anyway.

Max Lifeforce is a hard choice, personally i think more is better as you generate more LF and cache per turn, but conversely a successful attack on you will cost you more. As long as you have the high defensive personal stats suggested above then i see no reason not to get 250+.

Energy flow and channelling around 200 should be plenty.

Attack, defense, spy and assassin levels 200+, if you can afford it then dramatically increase the ones you plan on using the most. If you want to set up for farming people high attack/spy/assassin, if not swap attack for defense.

Few things to remember that are very important:
Under no circumstances use initial LF for conversion into DMU, as mentioned you'd be far better just buying a few trillion and depleting your main account, because it's MUCH harder to generate LF than it is to get hold of DMU.

Charisma and production are fantatic to have realy high, but for a freshly ascended account they are wasted to begin with unless you buy a load of DMU, especially production. Too much income too early just means you get farmed and loose it all, and a huge charisma only starts to add up when you have a reasonable number of fleets.

My advise is to save a lot of your LF and spend it after a few weeks when you have played a bit and start to understand how it all works.

Bottom line is with some decent personal stats you will be very hard to descend, that is the main thing, all other points can be sorted out later. As i say the key points are to stop yourself being easy to descend and being a farm, you're a decent player and once you ascend and see how it works you'll no doubt see for yourself and can decide what play style will suit you.

wow sweeet thanks


see mojo


counld u be more like everyone else especially Borek

Because of the exponential nature of the upgrades there is no way you should have such a wide gap between production and charsima... a 300 gap? I'd keep your production within 25-50 of your charisma, you'll get planets soon enough with that kind of ascension (thinking 100mil within 4-5 days)...

Also I wouldn't waste a quarter of those resources on personal stats >_<, not worth it when you can spend it on production, charisma, defence etc.

Also I can't see why you would ever increase your channelling past about 50-100, you simply don't get enough back from it (Even if you went with a high max energy cap)

Which I would recomend not touching for at least a month or so till you get the feel of how everything works...

Sorry for being mostly against you again here Borek... its just from experience I've had with the ascended server. Will agree with this though

"Few things to remember that are very important:
Under no circumstances use initial LF for conversion into DMU, as mentioned you'd be far better just buying a few trillion and depleting your main account, because it's MUCH harder to generate LF than it is to get hold of DMU."

Well, I wouldn't say under no circumstances... mabye get to 5-10k fleets or something to get a better feel of the server before you come of your initial ppt (if you can't before that... I'd recomend coming off)

"Charisma and production are fantatic to have realy high, but for a freshly ascended account they are wasted to begin with unless you buy a load of DMU, especially production. Too much income too early just means you get farmed and loose it all, and a huge charisma only starts to add up when you have a reasonable number of fleets.

My advise is to save a lot of your LF and spend it after a few weeks when you have played a bit and start to understand how it all works.

Bottom line is with some decent personal stats you will be very hard to descend, that is the main thing, all other points can be sorted out later. As i say the key points are to stop yourself being easy to descend and being a farm, you're a decent player and once you ascend and see how it works you'll no doubt see for yourself and can decide what play style will suit you."

Thats all very accurate... though. (Disagree with the personal stats bit though ) But... I use a pretty different style of play to most people.

he can close the cap between charisma and production when he gets some planets and fleets generated. Remember this is 1st ascention for him so he won't even have an account until then on ascended. I just don't see the point in spending on production until he has a few mill income planets. Personal stats are so high because there's always a chance someone will pick on him as a fresh ascender, they might try, but with those stats they will cripple themselves instead of him Also well worth noting that with those stats he could be the one dishing out descentions

Channelling is high for 2 reasons, 1 when he buys initial max LF levels it will take time to fill up his fairly large pools, channelling makes this bearable, 2nd reason is he has so much LF that even 200 channelling isn't that much to spend. Remember that right at the start LF is easier to get than DMU, of course in a few days that reverses, but why not get the channelling out the way immediately if you can afford it and see the benefits at the only time that it will likely matter outside of recovering from someone trying to descend you, or you trying to descend them?

[SGC_ReplicÅtors] wrote:im opened to both sides and i want to know what is the best course of Action...i have no idea where to start

seriously if i do ascn i don't want to be deascnd in the first couple of days,
i wouldn't get to play much then anyways...everybody is telling me to get charisma and fleets ok fair enough ill go do that

But what about the left over stuff what else should i spend on or should i just leave it, as for personal stats what should i get to begin with?

let the force be ur guide