Jack wrote:If someone broke into my home, or my neighbor's home, I'm going to stop with whatever means possible. They broke the law, they were the aggressors, had they not been breaking into Mr Horn's neighbor's house they would not have been killed. Make sense dundit?
Breaking into someone's house is an aggressive act, but we are talking about threat to body and personal harm. The suspects did not break into his house. The neighbors were not home. If the arguement is that he was trying to protect himself, why did he go to the suspects? It would be logical to say that if someone wants to protect themself from harm, they would not move toward it, which is what he did. It is my opinion that it is not his role or responsibility to play a police officer.
Jack wrote:In the end he still committed a crime. And when you rob someone of their hard earned, you are robbing them of part of their life, you're stealing the hours, days, weeks, months, years they spent to earn their money and to buy the things they own.
Ok. I'll give you that (last half of sentence), under the premise that time is money. I do not subscribe to the ideology, but his is not the wild west. What would a country be like if everyone went around shooting people who did them wrong?
You are wrong with one thing. The suspects were never convicted of a crime. We don't know what actually happened. It is presumptuous to assume that someone definitely did something when the investigation is not complete.
I'll put this out there too:
How many people witnessed the shooting? How many people saw the break in? How many saw the suspect running away?
If I found out my mother had stolen anything, I would turn her over to the cops in a heart beat without a second thought. My mother knows that in Texas when you rob someone, you're likely to get killed, so if she had tried and got killed, it would have been her fault. It's like waltzing into a lion's den and taking the cubs, if the mother catches you, she's going to kill you, and in the end it's your fault you got killed, not the lion that ate you. We have to take responsibility for our actions, that's the way things are here. If I ran out into the middle of a busy highway and got hit by a car, the first thing my mother/father/grandmother/grandfather/great grandmother/great grandfather would do is scold me for bein an idiot. That's how it is in Texas, we're taught to take responsibility for our actions and not blame others, Mr Horn pulled the trigger, but the other two men CHOSE to something that only they should not have but is a crime. And trust me, recently something very very bad happened to someone in my family, and I know the circumstances that lead to it, what'd I do? I told point blank it was their fault for bein an idiot, not so bluntly ofcourse, in a way this person could learn from their mistake. We call it tough love. Ya can't go around holdin everyone's hand when they do something stupid, they'll never learn.
I'm not talking about turning over someone to the police. That isn't what he did. He killed someone. I was asking if people would feel the same way if it was you relative that was killed.
He did not have to kill anyone. For example, he could have followed them in his car. He made the choice to pick up a shotgun, and loaded it well before he went outside. He had alternative options. Killing someone was what he chose to do, and what he said he would do. He knew what he was going to do if the police didn't get there. He was 'gung ho' from the beginning. The 4th or 5th thing he says is that he has a shotgun and ask if he should stop them.
In Texas, deadly force is not excessive...in Texas we are now allowed to kill a man in defense of our property.
ok.
I also listened to the recording thank you, and I heard "Move" as well as others who have heard the recording without having known what he said prior. Though it matters not, as stated above, we're premitted to kill to protect property and again, money isn't money, it's also the time you invested in it to earn it.
He was mumbling, and could have said what you say.
Let's look at this from another perspective. What happens sometimes when a police officer draws a gun on someone? Do they not try to run away?
What about when a police office just tell someone to stay where they are? People try to run away, and the police do not gun them down. If the right that he has to kill someone and play he vigilante is written in law, then I'm very glad I don't live in Texas or the US.
Corran Horn wrote:true. but when facing a criminal ya never know what he's capable of doing. it's like on the war, ya don't shoot them they'll shoot ya.
It isn't war. The two are totally different. They are not soldiers in a war zone. It was a community in texas.
He choose to face the criminal. The implication that is trying to be made is that he had no other choice. He had a choice. He didn't have to go outside, or to confront the suspects.
what just happened was a man fighting crime and saving a lot of hassle (trial costs, jail costs - normal ppl pay them) and also prevening them from doing more harm.
Murder is prevention? How many shop keepers in the US kill children for stealing gum? How many kill adults for stealing clothing? Do managers of Walmart in Texas murder people when they find shoplifters? Do managers of grocery stores kill people for eating food without paying for it?
Is that not fighting crime and preventing it from happening?
are ya mad or what? guys entering a house through the window and getting out with bags full of stuff and ya call them "suspects"???
They were not convicted of anything. It is law and the way the western legal system is set up. Innocent until proven guilty. The state of being dead is not admission of guilt.
what if he's running to the car hidden somewhere to get a gun and come back? never heard of things like this? come to dublin then...
We will never know what would have happened. I think if he had stayed in his house the suspects would not have bothered him.
9/11? there was nothing bout 9/11...
I misheard.
how abut we go now to rob spaceys house and we'll see what he'll be saying afterwards?
I assure you. If someone is robbing me I would not kill them no material possession is worth a life. Perhaps I am privileged for this perspective due to my youth and my work, but it's how I feel.
what? if someone pointed a gun at me running would be the worst choice ever. actually MOVING would be a bad choice. it guarantees ya end up with bullet somewhere inside yer body. 
