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Re: Its crap, fix it

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 3:01 am
by Chris M
_of War wrote:Aye this is getting annoying.. more and more people are doing it once they find out how profitable it is to do this. It's getting a bit ridiculous. Any word from Jason on ideas to fix this or at least slow their progress?

At least making them descendable or SOMETHING.

no cause its what Jason wants :?

Re: Its crap, fix it

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 1:41 pm
by darkness5723
Chris M wrote:
_of War wrote:Aye this is getting annoying.. more and more people are doing it once they find out how profitable it is to do this. It's getting a bit ridiculous. Any word from Jason on ideas to fix this or at least slow their progress?

At least making them descendable or SOMETHING.

no cause its what Jason wants :?



I find it hard to believe Jason would want this.. considering its ruining his game lol.

Re: Its crap, fix it

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 1:44 pm
by Chris M
In some ways yes.
But in others it means no one is invinceable.
Weaker players can hit big guys and no one can really claim to be safe from sniper accounts.
Like it or not, its a new style of play which benefits the weaker.
Therefore in jasons eyes, more people will begin playing as this is their chance to "catch up"

Re: Its crap, fix it

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 2:21 pm
by darkness5723
Well.. I would have no problems with the sniper accounts if we could actually do something about them. The problem is not with the sniper accounts in themselves, its the fact that the weak can attack the strong and the strong cant really do anything about it besides waste lots of resources killing what can be rebuilt easily. If the snipers could be descended.. it wouldnt be a problem.... but its virtually impossible to descend someone thats 100 ranks below you because of the mods.

Re: Its crap, fix it

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 2:59 pm
by Chris M
removal of rank mods i would say
if a sniper account wants to act like that, it must have good reserves to stave off descension or be descended

but, i feel we wont see this because of the fear of "domination" by the likes of Omega and co squashing everyone who is a threat.

Re: Its crap, fix it

Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 3:54 am
by ~The Fallen~
could someone care to explain what a "sniper" account is?

i have never heard of it..

Re: Its crap, fix it

Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 4:05 am
by BL1P
Im unsure but i guess its someone who builds only strike then hits high rankers for lots of dmu then sells the strike too drop his ranks making him hard for the high rankers too hit...

but like i say im guessing

Re: Its crap, fix it

Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 4:08 am
by BL1P
from what ive seen they hide in purgatory alot too becuase they get destroyed on main if they dont.

being asended should mean yu cant join purg in my eyes as purg is for new players too grow in realative safety.

and if your new you havent ascended !!!

Re: Its crap, fix it

Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 6:34 am
by Lore
secret unknown dude wrote:could someone care to explain what a "sniper" account is?

i have never heard of it..


I give you an example

Total Capacities
Offensive Potential: 41,915,066,583,168
Defensive Potential 2,833,142,400
Covert Capacity: 5,564,784,375
Assassin Capacity: 20,287,428,361
Influence Power: 716,730,056,250
Cosmic Exploration Fleets: 130,000

Ascended Enhancements
Assult: 570
Defence: 175
Intelligence 275
Assassination 329
Production 400


This is a account that is forming up to be a sniper account. You will notice the extremely high assault enhancement, coupled with high Cosmic Expantion Rate enhancements. This allows him to pack a punch and be able to afford the loses. You will also notice he has next to no defense when compared to his strike. He does not try to live off his income. He is building this account to live off others income. This stratagy also gives the victim no chance to retaliate. If they are really good they use all untrainable planets and then untrain them afterwards so there is nothing to kill. Weapons are so cheap that they matter little now.

Some other points to note is they generally keep a low NMEC so they remain undeascendable. They can use their strikes to farm enough DMU to completely fill all there LF/LFR in 1 hit.

While normally growing accounts attempt to grow evenly or perportonally, these account go straight att. This allows them to out pace everyone else as the LF cost to inprove only ATT and CER are far less then trying to improve them all. Since Ascended attacks are useless against them they do not build any of those stats.

It is a viable tactic, Jason has made sure these accounts are well protected. He has also given them means to destroy any account in the game. What he has chosen not to do is to allow anyone to defend these accounts.

Personally I feel he has cheaped the game drasticly, but its his game so meh.

Re: Its crap, fix it

Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 8:02 am
by Chris M
Lore wrote:
secret unknown dude wrote:could someone care to explain what a "sniper" account is?

i have never heard of it..


I give you an example

Total Capacities
Offensive Potential: 41,915,066,583,168
Defensive Potential 2,833,142,400
Covert Capacity: 5,564,784,375
Assassin Capacity: 20,287,428,361
Influence Power: 716,730,056,250
Cosmic Exploration Fleets: 130,000

Ascended Enhancements
Assult: 570
Defence: 175
Intelligence 275
Assassination 329
Production 400


This is a account that is forming up to be a sniper account. You will notice the extremely high assault enhancement, coupled with high Cosmic Expantion Rate enhancements. This allows him to pack a punch and be able to afford the loses. You will also notice he has next to no defense when compared to his strike. He does not try to live off his income. He is building this account to live off others income. This stratagy also gives the victim no chance to retaliate. If they are really good they use all untrainable planets and then untrain them afterwards so there is nothing to kill. Weapons are so cheap that they matter little now.

Some other points to note is they generally keep a low NMEC so they remain undeascendable. They can use their strikes to farm enough DMU to completely fill all there LF/LFR in 1 hit.

While normally growing accounts attempt to grow evenly or perportonally, these account go straight att. This allows them to out pace everyone else as the LF cost to inprove only ATT and CER are far less then trying to improve them all. Since Ascended attacks are useless against them they do not build any of those stats.

It is a viable tactic, Jason has made sure these accounts are well protected. He has also given them means to destroy any account in the game. What he has chosen not to do is to allow anyone to defend these accounts.

Personally I feel he has cheaped the game drasticly, but its his game so meh.

Very Well Said

Re: Its crap, fix it

Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 10:59 am
by ~Phoenix~
Yer well I've bought PPT from my account in the past so it may be said I invested money into this game dont want to see crap like this happening in favor of somne noobs who joined 6months ago.

Re: Its crap, fix it

Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 1:11 pm
by darkness5723
Like I said the problem isnt with the people.. theyre using a good strategy.. it works. But.. it shouldnt be like this. This will always be a semi-viable strategy but we need to be able to descend them or else its completely one-sided.

Re: Its crap, fix it

Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 1:33 pm
by Chris M
Basically admin, for every type of offencive option there should be a defencive option available

Re: Its crap, fix it

Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 2:19 pm
by darkness5723
exactly.. i think rank mods should remain, but if you attack someone, they can retaliate with no rank mods.

Re: Its crap, fix it

Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 3:49 pm
by Lord_Zeus
Are they my stats? :lol: