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Sarevok wrote:Explain it to me. Show me the process by which people don't need to spend, and can keep 10 planets protected. And how that cost is cheaper then fleet hangers. All i get is claims, yet when i provide actual evidence against it, people just dismiss it. So now it's YOUR turn to show ME how this is possible.

Sure, here's the math;
it will take approximately 150T naq to bring the defenses of one planet up to 3T. For a fleet to scratch the planet, it would therefore need approximately 520 bil power, which is around 500k fleets. That is approximately 385k raw fleets + techs which costs in total about 750T. That means, you can fully defend 5 planets from the cost it would take to build the fleets to just scratch them. Add a 6th planet from just 55T in platforms, and another 2 from perma-merlins. That's a total of 8 untouchable planets.

But that is not all. You also have to factor into account the fact that to mass a defense of 3T with about 500k fleets will cost between 30-40T (approximately) in repairs. Then there's also the price of the fleets to worry about (~11T) if somebody happens to notice you are online.

Robe wrote:Example:[/i]
Use 2 MT to PPT for 4 days, 1 MT to get 5 merlins (was 3).
Take 3 disposable planets when off PPT and send ship out for more when on PPT.
Get others to take 3 disposable planets on the 1-2 days a week you dont visit the Asgards or Merlin.

You would need to have 9 planets stolen per week (3/day and 3 days off PPT). But the most you can get (without using the Market of the MB) is 7 in a week.
Also, sending your MS out to take a planet, allows someone to take your planet without you being able to reclaim it.
Though i do support the removal of the time window, but not the maximum take-able.
The other problem i see with that setup, is that you need 3 people to assist you. And what if those 3 people want assistance as well, then you need 13 people total.

Let me fix up your math for you with the ACTUAL values.

Unimatrix881 wrote:Sure, here's the math;
it will take approximately 193.5T naq to bring the defenses of one planet up to 3T. For a fleet to scratch the planet, it would therefore need approximately 520 bil power, which is around 450k fleets. That is approximately 346k raw fleets + techs which costs in total about 600T. That means, you can fully defend 3 planets from the cost it would take to build the fleets to just scratch them. Add a 4th planet from just 139T in platforms, and another 2 from perma-merlins. That's a total of 6 untouchable planets and one that will be exposed for 1 day/week.

But that is not all. You also have to factor into account the fact that to mass a defense of 3T with about 450k fleets will cost between 27-36T (approximately) in repairs. Then there's also the price of the fleets to worry about (~10T) if somebody happens to notice you are online.

Sarevok wrote:

Robe wrote:Example:
Use 2 MT to PPT for 4 days, 1 MT to get 5 merlins (was 3).
Take 3 disposable planets when off PPT and send ship out for more when on PPT.
Get others to take 3 disposable planets on the 1-2 days a week you dont visit the Asgards or Merlin.

You would need to have 9 planets stolen per week (3/day and 3 days off PPT). But the most you can get (without using the Market of the MB) is 7 in a week.

Not true. Your forgot about the 1MT that now provides 5 merlins.
A player can easily take 9 disposable planets in a 14 day cycle and have their planets permanently protected during war and peace.

Sarevok wrote:

Robe wrote:Example:[/i]
Use 2 MT to PPT for 4 days, 1 MT to get 5 merlins (was 3).
Take 3 disposable planets when off PPT and send ship out for more when on PPT.
Get others to take 3 disposable planets on the 1-2 days a week you dont visit the Asgards or Merlin.

You would need to have 9 planets stolen per week (3/day and 3 days off PPT). But the most you can get (without using the Market of the MB) is 7 in a week.
Also, sending your MS out to take a planet, allows someone to take your planet without you being able to reclaim it.
Though i do support the removal of the time window, but not the maximum take-able.
The other problem i see with that setup, is that you need 3 people to assist you. And what if those 3 people want assistance as well, then you need 13 people total.

Let me fix up your math for you with the ACTUAL values.

Unimatrix881 wrote:Sure, here's the math;
it will take approximately 193.5T naq to bring the defenses of one planet up to 3T. For a fleet to scratch the planet, it would therefore need approximately 520 bil power, which is around 450k fleets. That is approximately 346k raw fleets + techs which costs in total about 600T. That means, you can fully defend 3 planets from the cost it would take to build the fleets to just scratch them. Add a 4th planet from just 139T in platforms, and another 2 from perma-merlins. That's a total of 6 untouchable planets and one that will be exposed for 1 day/week.

But that is not all. You also have to factor into account the fact that to mass a defense of 3T with about 450k fleets will cost between 27-36T (approximately) in repairs. Then there's also the price of the fleets to worry about (~10T) if somebody happens to notice you are online.

You fail to see that anyone massing a planet has to be lucky enough to not be caught, bare in mind they will have to be taking a LOT of naq out their banks....because of the alliance logs this makes this pure Luck if you can pull off a planet mass

Add this together with having a rubbish planet you can get a friend to steal, means that if you are lucky enough to scratch the planet, you also have to hope you get long enough to be able to attack it....and if you do get caught you can say goodbye to your entire fleet with little/no damage caused. If you're already at war with someone your MS and fleet won't last long anyway....it basically means people won't bother with the risk of losing fleet, ergo making them redundant

this update is almost the exact opposite of what the game actually needed - worse case scenario should have been leave them as they were

If admin is obsessed with making planets untakeable then the 3 in 24 hours rule may as well be scrapped, as chances are you won't find more then 3 in an alliance with the ability to mass them

I'm curious in the first place why admin wants to make planets THAT hard to be stolen...
All those mini updates weren't needed together, each alone isn't bad, but the addition of all makes it negative.

In my opinion:
Cheaper defense planets should be possible ONLY if fleets can go down to 12% as it was, or keep 17.5% fleets with defence planets but not cheaper def facilities. One or the other is fine, addition of both isn't.
As for 3 planets per day, I think it should be 4 or 5 max, 3 as previously mentioned can be abused.

Rest is ok.

renegadze wrote:You fail to see that anyone massing a planet has to be lucky enough to not be caught, bare in mind they will have to be taking a LOT of naq out their banks....because of the alliance logs this makes this pure Luck if you can pull off a planet mass

10 mins i think it took.

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renegadze wrote:Add this together with having a rubbish planet you can get a friend to steal, means that if you are lucky enough to scratch the planet, you also have to hope you get long enough to be able to attack it....and if you do get caught you can say goodbye to your entire fleet with little/no damage caused. If you're already at war with someone your MS and fleet won't last long anyway....it basically means people won't bother with the risk of losing fleet, ergo making them redundant

[/spoiler]For crying out loud. Exactly how many times have i said i DON'T agree with the current setup for delay between planets? I don't like the concept of them all going in the space of 30 mins, but i also don't like the concept of only being able to take 1 every 8 hours. HENCE i said make it 3 or more over a whole day, not 1 every 8 hours.
What, you can't mass a planet in 10 mins? I had it happen to 2 of mine in the space of 15.

renegadze wrote:this update is almost the exact opposite of what the game actually needed - worse case scenario should have been leave them as they were

So the game actually needed planets to add nothing. Since every planet would be take-able by everyone, thus defending them made redundant, thus planets as a whole redundant.

renegadze wrote:If admin is obsessed with making planets untakeable then the 3 in 24 hours rule may as well be scrapped, as chances are you won't find more then 3 in an alliance with the ability to mass them

What? You won't find more then 3 planets on an account to take?

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Leg Apophis wrote:I'm curious in the first place why admin wants to make planets THAT hard to be stolen...
All those mini updates weren't needed together, each alone isn't bad, but the addition of all makes it negative.

In my opinion:
Cheaper defense planets should be possible ONLY if fleets can go down to 12% as it was, or keep 17.5% fleets with defence planets but not cheaper def facilities. One or the other is fine, addition of both isn't.
As for 3 planets per day, I think it should be 4 or 5 max, 3 as previously mentioned can be abused.

Rest is ok.

[/spoiler]Maybe so that MS are not the only thing worth wild building up and keeping?