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Alright like Noobert i have been busy all day and only saw thsi escalating into what is simply just not proper especially in a civilized(or supposed to be civilized) conversation about the State of our Good community(which is basically been reduced for a long time now).

I will and may seem Repetitive BUT JASON must post something soon or this will boil down into choas on a bigger level than it is now. No offense to you Kill i respect ya but you are taking this too personally, I personally think all the Mods are trying(or most of them) to do their best in this situation and in the forums in general because i remember really bad Mods back in the day and am personally thankful they are gone.

I may seem maybe on the side of the Mods but i am not fully with them or with the other group but i want to keep this into a pretty calm environment where we can fully ADDRESS the situation not act like a bunch of idiots in a frat house.

My honest opinion is that(like i said before) there were many misunderstanding between new players and older ones because of their all BONZI attack mode style which was pretty common back when i started to play this game(i joined the forums almost immediately afterwards). That is for the newer players but the current ones problems are usually some form of biased mods who were usually in a big alliance and had the power to do w/e they wanted on whomever they wanted just because they had the option of doing so. Now, some others (including myself personally) feel somewhat neglected without our LEADER Jason being present at all in the past three year is have been playing this game; and that also relates to the above statements because his guiding presence would have allowed some good potentials to remain and also of others to calm down their inner BONZI personalities ingame.

Finally, about Mod policy yes their should be some sort of term limit and how long that term/s should be because some people just monopolize that crap like it's going out of style. Also, like i said before and perhaps only NOobert noticed yes the Ombudsman should get something more than what he has right now to be more personal and worthwhile or remove his post if he gets nothing new and have on the mods do his thing. I would like to say as my final thing about this sort of thing that perhaps The Staff could have a poll of what things the People who still play want to happen than some meaningless post and get a reply if we feel like it on the forums and put right here in the general or put it in the discussion sections.

Take into mind what i said, because i would like to hear what people think of it and also i will once again say let's keep this an civilized area not a area filled with hurled insults; which is another reason why some feel left out and stay only ingame or get out of both altogether because of it(Time and place for everything guys). Perhaps my suggestion will be recognized or not but i will still have the satisfaction of saying them in a proper place at this seemingly right time.

Well. Problems with admins is accountability... jason doesn't care. Ombudsman is powerless so who do they answer to? What makes them better than us that they should be beyond reproach? Nothing. Ideally Jason should run the forums himself... he has no alliegence and actually should be/is beyond reproach being for all intents and purposes God of the game.

I know how to sort the forums out.

Remove all Global mods and admins.
Re-elect Admins from three categories in different ways. Let Admins choose GM's.

First Cat: Veteran. This is someone who is a veteran forum user and has the account date to prove it (it can't be faked or debated). Veteran forum users know the community, know the forum history and if elected will be popular with the users who use the forums. This should be the user admin who deals with complaints and the forum users.

Second Cat: The Guide. Second admin should be elected from the last three admins by the former forum team (excluding admins). This should be the only way for an admin to be reelected. This admin should deal with teaching the other admins and should have absolutely no power in deciding forum team members fate.

Third Cat: Should be voted in by the forum team, old admins and users from the forum team. This should be the admin reponsible for internal affairs and hiring new mods/dealing with mod v mod disputes. Should be done publically. Users vote = vale of 50%. Admins vote = value of 25% and forum team value of 25%. This means prevents calculated voting from the forum team.

After the admins have been put in place then they should be allowed to bring a GM team of their choosing to the board. I would personally say 2 GM's per admin as an ideal number, otherwise one per admin and have 2 or so chosen by the others.

Leave blue mods in place and don't forget to rinse and repeat once a year!

Noobert wrote:

killtacular wrote:Your true colors show like an arrogant ass. Be a leader and speak to us instead of speaking like your on a pedastal talking down to us.
Leadership doesn't mean domination. A leader will kindle interest, teach, aid, correct and inspire. Those whom he leads will cooperate with him in maintaining discipline for the good of the group. He will instruct his followers in the goals towards which to strive, and create in them a sense of mutual effort for attaining the goal.
I believe Admins and mods are leaders of the community and thus should act like one.

Show like an arrogant ass? Where have you been? I'm an arrogant ass to people who refuse to listen to reason. You want me to be nicer, and be a leader? Take the advice given to you, instead of demanding more. Leadership doesn't mean domination, true, but I am not dominating anyone. I'm speaking to you as a player with Moderator experience, and telling you that if you want to get something noticed - this is not the way to do it. It will never have a positive outcome if you continue down this path. How long do you think it will take for the Moderator Staff to stop trying to please you? Each time the Moderators have tried you have disrespected and criticized them.


I am not talking down from a pedestal either. I'm simply trying to help you, but you people do not listen to anyone. I've had to repeat this three times already and nobody has done so thus far. EMP has suggested it, and nobody has done it. Why?

You want to me to stop being an arrogant ass? I'll be happy to do so one condition. You people lose the ego and work with us, rather than against us. How many more suggestions do we have to throw your way before you work with us?

Why? Im guessing because your reply to a " New Mods and Admins FTW" thread would not be well received.


Semper


There is hope

honestly jason is to busy to run the forums, but since Adminsue is on his paid staff she should run the forums I tried to avoid this stupid thread but I couldnt help myself. Ok im gone...

Yeah Roket and Semper both had great ideas; Who is this Adminsue person(one of those other people who remind me somehow of Jason because of their lack of Presence or being in these forums for me to fully notice).

Personally, i think we need since Jason is the GOD/Lord of these forums a Demi-God/Baron running it in his absence; someone easily recognizable and respected for his integrity and lack of corruption because of his lack of allegiance in all honesty.The point being we need a leader of this community if not only forums because we are like a Feudal society and that is quite not what most players want or even new ones can even respect for that manner.

However, we are all talking about the Current Player problems; what about those who could/wanna join the community?
I think we should welcome them(Race wise if that is the thing) and mentor those into being good players and then release them into the generalized community at large because we are Stagnant or even worse having a population crisis in the games. Perhaps try some good PR to welcome new people.

Maybe i am bringing a unnecessary quote from Star Trek ; "The Time to Act is Now." (Gowron leader of Klingon Empire).

Okay, my post is just gonna seem like a pile of crap but I'm gonna post anyways. It will seem like I'm just trying to keep my job or "hold on to power" or whatever (even though that's human nature anyways). If I may just speak about myself though I don't do this for the "power" it's just something I enjoy doing, and it consumes my time, something I have in large supplies.

Why remove Global Mods too? I thought Admins were the ones who are above reproach. Global Mods have to answer to the Admins.

Firstly; Explain why it should be kept in the first place if not to have a colored name on yourself?

Secondly; it seems like a pile of crap like you just mentioned and also a seemingly waste of time to debate why we should keep a Global Mod when the real question Why haven't we got rid of them Long Ago?

ernest wrote:Firstly; Explain why it should be kept in the first place if not to have a colored name on yourself?

Secondly; it seems like a pile of crap like you just mentioned and also a seemingly waste of time to debate why we should keep a Global Mod when the real question Why haven't we got rid of them Long Ago?

Well unless you can come up with reasons none of us should have our jobs... I would have to assume the reason we haven't been gotten rid of long ago is that, we're doing a good job.

Well Im done with this discussion far as posting. I just hope this isn't treated as a confabulation.

ernest wrote:Firstly; Explain why it should be kept in the first place if not to have a colored name on yourself?

Secondly; it seems like a pile of crap like you just mentioned and also a seemingly waste of time to debate why we should keep a Global Mod when the real question Why haven't we got rid of them Long Ago?

Ask yourself this question. Who will replace the Global Moderators, let alone Admins? Who has the time, willing to put in the effort, and the experience to run this forum?

I can look at the users of this forum, and I see very little people with the experience to step above being a regular Moderator. People are promoted based upon length of being around (which gives the experience needed), whom is most suitable to be a candidate and do the job correctly, cares enough to work their ass off through the **Filtered** you forum users throw at the Moderators, and to do the job the way it must be done.

Who will fill those roles? Tell me exactly who has those traits. There are very few who have the balls to even make an attempt to become a Moderator in the first place. Players have the opportunity to make applications, and all are equally taken into account but sometimes you have to pick between two players who will do a good job and it's a tough decision. A decision we do not take lightly, ever. Just because you do not achieve it the first time, doesn't mean you shouldn't try again.

All I ever see is excuses from you all as to "why I won't try", or "why should I". It's so pathetic I just have to laugh. You all want a "better" forum but you are not willing to even step forward to make an attempt to do so. The question you should be asking is "Why won't I step forward already?"

MajorLeeHurts wrote:Why? Im guessing because your reply to a " New Mods and Admins FTW" thread would not be well received.

This is exactly what I am talking about. EXACTLY. You are making an assumption of which you have no idea of the outcome. Do you know how I would reply or the reasoning behind what I would write? No. You have zero clue. You just assume that what I'm doing is for my own benefit.

I could have been promoted to a Global Moderator three years ago. I refused the promotion, as I have done many times since then. I do not do this job for power, I do this to help out the community. The main reason I became a Moderator in the first place was because I was asked to by Deni, so long ago when potential Moderators were suggested to Admins/GMs by Moderators. Deni needed help with the Market, she asked me, I told her I would help her as long as she needed me around and I have done so since then. I've voiced my opinions in threads as a player over the years, and other players have seen fit to state that I am bias or corrupt in doing so with no grounds to back it up or simply have no idea what they are talking about to begin with.

An example that sticks out clearly in my mind is of Severian writing an essay in the report function as to why I should be banned, and removed as Moderator for a comment as a player that I do not even remember.

My reply would be just as I have done so here. It may not be taken well, but it should not matter. It's my point of view on this matter at hand, and you can take it anyway you see fit. It's not ground breaking, it's not life changing, it is just an opinion of somebody who has been a part of this forum and moderator on it for over four years.

If you wish to suggest something, suggest it. Stop bickering, and making reasons as to "why you shouldn't".

And Jesus, Wall of Text!

Iƒrit wrote:honestly jason is to busy to run the forums, but since Adminsue is on his paid staff she should run the forums I tried to avoid this stupid thread but I couldnt help myself. Ok im gone...

She, like all of us, has more important things to do. The things she is paid to do.

@ Empy.. because no offence but the GM's are not much better than the admins. They're easily just as corrupt and the rest of it. How many of you make absolute your practise of playing favourite with Jack for example? What about the debacle with my past problems. So many of you (and this goes beyond GM's) came to me and told me you supported me yet not a one of you stood up... you're just cowards bent on the will of your admins and I won't hold back and say that if my system was put in place and I won the election you'd probably all be gone in a heart beat.

There were topics where Deni blatantly bullied MLH in the mod centre and again you all just played stupid. It's only when you're positions or your actual friends are in the firing line that you stand up and speak.. you're not in it to do right you're all as black as the bottom as my shoe but it's got so bad that the insuring dust cloud has long since blocked the truth from being used.

It's unfair though to put the problems of this community squarely in the lap of the forum team as they're a problem (in fact they've always been a problem.. but that's what you get from it being an old boys club as the slang terminology would go) but the forum team isn't THE problem and if anything were done now.. it's too little too late. SGW sealed it's fate in 2006 with the bad updates and then the final nail went in with the last set so I think it's pointless driving a pike into the forum teams stomach now.

I must say I love all these "remove all forum staff for new ones" posts. Because honestly if you people think the forums are in disarray now see what happens when you do that. You know why the admins are where they are now? because they are the ones who know how to do the job and have dedicated YEARS of there time to do so. They don't get paid, don't get compensated and most of the time they have to sit and read ridiculous ramblings from what seems to be the most uneducated members of the forums. Some of our admins and mods don't even have game accounts anymore so they are here simply because they care about the community.

And in all honesty I notice most of the complaints are from a larger majority of the more aggressive community members. How interesting.

Now on the flip side major kudos to people who have made constructive posts. Psi the initial post was excellent and well thought out. I only hope it will inspire more people to actually want to help not just hop on the whining band wagon simply to flame and not to help.

Thank you Muffafuffin for that wonderful post to read. I've not seen you around for sometime, but after reading that post it made up for having to read all the other ones. Just for that, I went and uploaded an image especially for you.

The Muff wrote:I must say I love all these "remove all forum staff for new ones" posts. Because honestly if you people think the forums are in disarray now see what happens when you do that. You know why the admins are where they are now? because they are the ones who know how to do the job and have dedicated YEARS of there time to do so.

Nothing on this forum has made me laugh as much in about two years. These guys have no idea how to do the job. They're unprofessional (I don't care if they're paid or not), they're regularly doing things to benefit themselves or play with the forums.. I know one admin in particular who abuses his ability to alter post's to keep one of his multi's hidden yet no admin would go to such a length for anyone elses multi's and they'd probably be some of the first to come down onto a GM/normal mod if they abused their powers as such (as they should!).

No... you are so very wrong in what you say muffamuffin person ma thingy I am afraid to say... as contrary to popular belief there are other forums out there with actual mods and admins on them that belong to games and shock horror... they never seem to have these sorts of problems.