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Kjarkur wrote:

Dr. Walter Bishop™ wrote:KJ it is not your,mine or curt's responsibility to make sure he reads contexts. He said my bleach analogy was "off topic".
I believe it was a perfect example of people need to keep dangerous things out of the wrong hands

It's funny though that the rest of us, even when we disagree about the good and the bad about guns, can agree that they're also highly dangerous and in many cases, the problem itself. And only the problem - and the source of that problem is irresponsibility. I even said "Solve the problem with more or less guns, just solve it" and he ignored that like he ignores everything else and continues to take cheap shots and assumes I said bad all guns completely.

Funny he complains about being ignored but when we reply he ignores.

Oh well.

All I can say is, don't let the fear of change cloud your judgment. Look at it from all perspectives first. It's natural for humans to be afraid of changes. 500 dead innocent children is plenty cause for a change.
I will be very surprised if that change would be having more guns. But if it works I will be pleased. Just as long as we see decreased murder rate.

-KJ

I don't want more guns. I want more freedom. As in, my right as a law abiding citizen to own a legal fire-arm. Not military grade weaponry. But I don't wanna be caught cocking and re-aiming at 8 targets that have illegal sub-machine guns with hollow point bullets either. In the end laws against gun ownership just empower the illegal black market that caters to criminals. It happens with marijuana as well. We have watched the Mexican and Colombian cartels fund their cocaine and illegal arms trade with marijuana crops, where as if it were legal people would not smuggle and get shot over deals gone bad etc. as well as the taxes we could get out of soooooo much debt.....But that is another issue. This new Bill if it passes needs a few kinks worked out of it, but it seems to be a compromise both sides can live with.

Kjarkur wrote:

[KMA]Avenger wrote:LOOOOOL!


Talk about being selective


There's no such thing as better posts when all the links i've posted have been relevant. it's either relevant or not.


Bleach is not relevant to anything when we're talking about a criminal in the white house intent on taking guns and he's only just started warming the seat in his 2nd term and he's already after everyone's guns...you people are blind...have fun

You keep avoiding all the innocent people and not to mention innocent children. Don't you care?

Why on earth can't we talk about more responsible gun-ownership? It's like I'm asking you to give away your freedom. At the moment we aren't even discussing a ban on guns, we're talking about being responsible. Even that seams to be too much to ask.

That's what i mean by selective.

Have you read a word i posted about 4 (or whatever it is) pages back where i posted links to what Obama is doing to children all over the world by engaging in illegal and criminal drone attacks?

The man has sanctioned bombings on weddings to get 1 "insurgent", he's killed hundreds if not thousands of innocent people while all you are concerned with are lies from the media.
Go on to Google and search this "Obama kill list", he has sanctioned the killings of American citizens without any kind of due process. the man is **Filtered** evil, nothing he says can be trusted, and you want to allow this man to regulate guns...are you serious?

You want a ban on assault rifles because of the Sandy Hook shooting, correct? if true let me tell you, Lanza didn't use an assault rifle. he left it in the boot of the car!

You want to discuss banning assault rifles because of a school shooting and don't even know what the man used.

Besides, what part of the second amendment don't people get when it clearly states "shall not be infringed"?!?! it's there for a reason, and it has nothing to do with duck hunting!

Also, why don't you have a look how most of these shooters have been on psychiatric drugs, and that at many of these mass shootings there have been reports from witnesses and from survivors stating there were more than 1 shooter...did you know that at Sandy Hook there were 2 men caught on camera in the woods near by which police chased through those woods?


Edit, you want to talk about responsibilities, watch this and judge for yourself how evil Obama is and take this man's guns away before you start disarming people...


WARNING

Not for the faint of heart!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvOU-czQnl8

on your weed thing if it was legal the cartel would just come here and make even more money off selling it legally since they don't have to pay people off to protect it and police to make sure it doesn't get raided and as for guns the federal government need to come in and make a law saying what is and isn't otherwise gun control wont work at all take Chicago has very strict guns laws but still has a lot of weapons most of which are purchased legally in Indiana.. gun control on a nation level, more money for police to solve crimes,hire more officers and advance technology, more money for schools, an ad campaign like they do for drinking and drive, and better mental health system.. if most of those thing got implemented violent crime would go down drastically

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and obama has never said he would ban all guns

Almost38 wrote:on your weed thing if it was legal the cartel would just come here and make even more money off selling it legally since they don't have to pay people off to protect it and police to make sure it doesn't get raided and as for guns the federal government need to come in and make a law saying what is and isn't otherwise gun control wont work at all take Chicago has very strict guns laws but still has a lot of weapons most of which are purchased legally in Indiana.. gun control on a nation level, more money for police to solve crimes,hire more officers and advance technology, more money for schools, an ad campaign like they do for drinking and drive, and better mental health system.. if most of those thing got implemented violent crime would go down drastically

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and obama has never said he would ban all guns

I'm beginning to wonder if naivety is infectious round here!

Trust the federal Govt...what a joke!...i hope that's a joke?

im not saying trust them im saying that that is the only way itll work one federal law instead of 50 state laws

Almost38 wrote:im not saying trust them im saying that that is the only way itll work one federal law instead of 50 state laws

50 state laws are better if for no other reason than, local govt knows what it's people want and can cater for the people better. having federal laws and applying it to the whole nation does not work. what works for New Yorkers may not necessarily work Texans, what works for Texans may not work for Hawaiians...see what i mean?

then you have places liek chicago getting shoot up by guns that are legally purchased a state over or purchased by legal gun owners in straw purchase.. that doesnt work and yeah true every place will be different.. so maybe more liek federal minimums yah know? but atleast the fed should be able to shutdown gun shops and be able in to inspect the inventory whenever they want

Almost38 wrote:then you have places liek chicago getting shoot up by guns that are legally purchased a state over or purchased by legal gun owners in straw purchase.. that doesnt work and yeah true every place will be different.. so maybe more liek federal minimums yah know? but atleast the fed should be able to shutdown gun shops and be able in to inspect the inventory whenever they want

Wrong, you get places like Chicago by disarming the people. from what i've heard, there have been 55 homicides in Chicago since the start of the year, but there are neighbouring counties which have had zero homicides. the only thing different is the fact Chicago is a gun free zone. and most of those homicides have been gang-bangers.

Even single celled organisms have defences, you want people to be lower than a single cell organism?

If i lived in Chicago i would move to Texas. there are now banks accepting customers with concealed carry, what bank robber would dare rob a bank knowing there maybe people inside who have guns, aside from the guards?

yet the guns are being purchased in in cook county and Indiana where all the murders are happening.. and teh criminals dont care if you have a go or not hence why there is police shoot outs almost every night 19% of the guns confiscate din Chicago were purchased at one gun dealer the was in teh city so its hardly a gun free zone

[KMA]Avenger wrote:

Almost38 wrote:im not saying trust them im saying that that is the only way itll work one federal law instead of 50 state laws

50 state laws are better if for no other reason than, local govt knows what it's people want and can cater for the people better. having federal laws and applying it to the whole nation does not work. what works for New Yorkers may not necessarily work Texans, what works for Texans may not work for Hawaiians...see what i mean?

State's Rights FTW

Avenger, that is a very well written and thought out response.
I have seen and read examples from both sides, and stated that both have examples so no point in all of that, I think its about PERSONAL responsibility.

EDIT: Alex Jones' links will not win alot of people over, but he is a watchdog so I can't blame him or you for paying attention rather than keeping head in sand as most do....

Almost38 wrote:yet the guns are being purchased in in cook county and Indiana where all the murders are happening.. and teh criminals dont care if you have a go or not hence why there is police shoot outs almost every night 19% of the guns confiscate din Chicago were purchased at one gun dealer the was in teh city so its hardly a gun free zone

Go and have a look at the FBI's own statistics, there has been a 49% reduction in crime as gun sales have soared over the past few years...49%, nobody can tell me that's either a fluke or a coincidence...

The answer to crime...arm all law abiding citizens to the teeth. train said citizens in the proper use and care of firearms then sit back and watch all the criminals get their arses shot off when they try and commit a crime!

Dr. Walter Bishop™ wrote:

[KMA]Avenger wrote:

Almost38 wrote:im not saying trust them im saying that that is the only way itll work one federal law instead of 50 state laws

50 state laws are better if for no other reason than, local govt knows what it's people want and can cater for the people better. having federal laws and applying it to the whole nation does not work. what works for New Yorkers may not necessarily work Texans, what works for Texans may not work for Hawaiians...see what i mean?

State's Rights FTW

Avenger, that is a very well written and thought out response.
I have seen and read examples from both sides, and stated that both have examples so no point in all of that, I think its about PERSONAL responsibility.

Firstly, Thanks


Absolutely that's what it's about...


Growing up and in to my mid to late 30's when i had no idea how the world worked i used to say "not another mass shooting in the US! those frigging Americans and their guns!" because i had no understanding of the world and more recent history or the 2nd amendment and what it stood for. i also wanted to see troops on the streets to sort out crime never knowing that Govt loves crime because then it's always the same from them "it's freedom that's causing all this crime. give us more of your freedoms and we'll give you the security you demand". i wonder how many terrorists the TSA has caught since they came in to being...that's right, a big fat ZERO! but if you need them to import drugs, steal things and harass passengers and grope miss USA's breasts...well, they are your man, so to speak.

I HATE with a passion big govt and centralised power because it is always corrupt and has no intention of serving the people to whom they are responsible to.

I am for real stopping all talks on this subject as google and facebook have both red flagged me as being a "threat" for posting youtube videos of real information linking Obama and the 9/11 commision as working together to make mini-9/11's as well as good info on all of the drones that have killed 100's of kids, along with his fake cry over EVEN ONE CHILD IN OUR COUNTRY NOT BEING HARMED.

Not kewl, I was always under the impression that when GWIII got out of office it would fix itself. NOPE. Nobama is a puppet at best, and a colaberator at worst.......

*Hates to admit it, but is big enough a man to admit when he was wrong on certain things.

Last thing I will say is this, that middle-eastern child with a blown off jaw the same age as my middle son almost made me puke. At least when there are "real" school shootings they don't die slow and painful deaths in countries that lack the hospitals to care for them because they were "collateral damage."

A lot of people 99% will choose to "not believe we could do that stuff to people" and I now realize I was one of them. Sickens me to actually have to admit I was bamboozeled by the same administration that claimed, "Yes we can." Said it perfectly, we can, so we will.........

Disgusted theDEX out.

LMAO!

Check this quote out by the ultimate pacifist...or so history tells us!

"among the many misdeeds of British rule in India, history will look upon the act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest."

-Mohandas Gandhi



But the anti-gun people say they only want to ban certain weapons and have some more strict controls on licensing, registration and background checks, that's reasonable isn't it!? no it's not. history shows that those have always been the first steps to total disarmament which always leads to total tyranny. that's historical fact!

And in gun-loving countries like the United States, over 500 dead children past few years because you were irresponsible.

How many children must die for it to be unacceptable ? Please inform us, when guns are causing more harm then good. How high must that number be.

You have to admit they don't solve all your life's problems and should only be authorized to responsible owners who take every security measures that must be taken.

Kjarkur wrote:And in gun-loving countries like the United States, over 500 dead children past few years because you were irresponsible.

How many children must die for it to be unacceptable ? Please inform us, when guns are causing more harm then good. How high must that number be.

You have to admit they don't solve all your life's problems and should only be authorized to responsible owners who take every security measures that must be taken.

Looking at the problem through a microscope does nothing to support the anti-gun mob.


And of those children killed, how many of those killers were on anti-psychotic and SSRI drugs? how many of those shootings did the witnesses report seeing multiple shooters??

But lets not talk about that, lets just instead concentrate on the deaths without looking at the causes. that's like going to the doctor for a whole year every day complaining of pain and all he does is keep giving you the same damn pill to get rid of the pain for a day without looking for what is causing the pain...i call that irresponsible, if not criminal.

So because of a few lunatics your answer is to punish millions of law abiding people?

Lets also ask questions of the media why they are not doing their jobs. Sandy Hook for example is a very affluent area from what i hear. being a rich area they had just had a top notch security system installed. they say that Adam Lanza shot his way in through the front door..ok...lets see that door all shot up! lets also review the camera footage...to this day not a single frame of the footage has been released showing Lanza blasting his way through that door. lets see him walking the halls of the school!

You say 500 kids have been killed because of guns but i don't see you demand that drone strikes be stopped and those drones taken away from the govt, even though they are killing hundreds of children around the world and thousands of innocent men and women.

So my question to you is...How many innocent men, women and children must die from drone strikes for it to become unacceptable?

Lets also talk about the govt shipping guns to Mexican cartels in exchange for drugs...or is it because it's the govt that' shipping guns to known criminals and those guns have killed hundreds of people it's ok?


You see things in a narrow field of view...i suggest you start expanding that view.