descension

[Teal'auc of the Void]

I think Forum's idea is brilliant. Descension weakens main account a lot, but it is not fatal enough to make people quit. IMHO nice balance between things.

[GeneralChaos]

I see a few people posting they worked hard for there ascention accounts and to build them up, which is all good, everyone is the same who ascends it takes alot of time and effort, (( unless your given everything )), so someone who is LG+3 will wipe out someone whos ascended once, it will turn out to only a few people on the ascended server who will play, no one will want to ascend.

Why not, if you descend someone your ascended account should be left on the edge of total destruction itself, else someone who is LG +3,4 whatever will just rule supreme on there and some of you guys have been playing for along time and are very powerful.

[Hammond]

Nothing that happens on ascended should have a permanent effect on main

Phoenix...... It should NEVER affect main. Theyre two seprate games.

but yet you agree with main permanently effecting ascention?

[Tok`ra]

Nothing that happens on ascended should have a permanent effect on main

Phoenix...... It should NEVER affect main. Theyre two seprate games.

but yet you agree with main permanently effecting ascention?

Main is used to ACCESS Asencion, depending on what resources you want to use from main you can improve your Ascended account, thats it.

Plus you miss people earlier in the thread saying that when ascencion first cam out, decending wasnt known of, which would mean there could be quite a few players that get, due to conflicts and alliance wars, decended.

[Hephaestus]

then fourm needs to add decension warnings before you register on asencion, and take all ascended players who dont want to be ascended in that case and find some way to unascend their account w/o messing it up.

Why did I ascend ? I saw in the fourm that you got 6 5% bonus's each ascension up to #6. If Id known I could loose it getting massed in asc server, I woulda simply kept my account.

I've seen this post or the contents for a few pages, but I have to say one thing. You get a bonus in main because you ascended. If you want to be unascended I think you should lose those bonuses as well. The two are linked and should remain so. I know a lot of folks are coming to the dawning awareness that they are at risk for quick ascending. A lot of folks chose to focus on thier main accounts and get the bonuses of ascension without playhing the ascension server. I'm sorry to hear that but I don't think folks should be utterly without risk either.

[Hammond]

i didn't miss those points about descention not being mentioned at the begining. i just dissagree with them.

and that is not an argument. just cos you wernt told about it when is first started has nothing to do with it.

fleets were introduced to take plantes in main and no one was told that fleets would be killable in the futrue. people went out and spent a load of naq on them. now the are being killed.

and that is just one exsample.

its is comming and it will effect main. and two people arguing with everyone else over it wont change a thing

[dredd2525]

I see a few people posting they worked hard for there ascention accounts and to build them up, which is all good, everyone is the same who ascends it takes alot of time and effort, (( unless your given everything )), so someone who is LG+3 will wipe out someone whos ascended once, it will turn out to only a few people on the ascended server who will play, no one will want to ascend.

Why not, if you descend someone your ascended account should be left on the edge of total destruction itself, else someone who is LG +3,4 whatever will just rule supreme on there and some of you guys have been playing for along time and are very powerful.

General, though being a LG 5x or whatever would give you some extra power. due to the exponential nature of all the upgrades, it is your base income in ascension that will have far more effect then how many total ascension power points you have brought in. A high income is the only way you can consistently keep up and move ahead. and that is only reached with a lot of planets, which are only reached with a high up, which takes time.

IE, for example sake, lest say Juan and Metal messiah get together and ascend someone 10 x. they throw, lets say 4 trillion into this person and their APP brought in to ascension would have to be several million. they could get some great stats, possibly some of the highest in ascension overall. but they would then stagnate as their army size accumulated so that they could continue to grow.

[Tok`ra]

But its called the MAIN server for a reason, its the one that the most people play. Most people would have that be the main if not only account to join.

[Hephaestus]

forums way of punishing the main account for one month then things going back, balances the different schools of thoughts on the punishment in main perfectly

There are ALOT of problems with taking away 5% from main .....losing things for 1 month all the bonuses is much much better......going from +30% on everything to +0% on everything for a MONTH is a BIG BIG BIG punishment
1 month in sgw is a lifetime

I have to disagree with this. Sure the 1 month is a penalty, but losing a level as well I think adds the real shock that would occur from being descended in that manner. I think having the month and one level loss with the balancing factors discussed to prevent someone from being rapidly descended multiple times in a row is a fairer balance considering the effort involved.

[311 [TA]]

forums way of punishing the main account for one month then things going back, balances the different schools of thoughts on the punishment in main perfectly

There are ALOT of problems with taking away 5% from main .....losing things for 1 month all the bonuses is much much better......going from +30% on everything to +0% on everything for a MONTH is a BIG BIG BIG punishment
1 month in sgw is a lifetime

I have to disagree with this. Sure the 1 month is a penalty, but losing a level as well I think adds the real shock that would occur from being descended in that manner. I think having the month and one level loss with the balancing factors discussed to prevent someone from being rapidly descended multiple times in a row is a fairer balance considering the effort involved.

well we can agree to disagree

my worry is about people that are prior's will they get knocked back down to original race....and see that would be alot of code cuz u have weapons in main when u r de-scended

and peopel who finished with ascesions, they may have like some high up and for them to try to get back that 5% boost would be REALLLY HARD cuz the costs for ascending again would be astronomical.......... or the covert levels.......you descend a person one time that has a high covert, you cost them ALOT more then one more ascesion

and with people keeping the person down in main......if people lose 5% of the bonus..........there will be some really nasty de-scesions going on

i think we should start out with forums idea...........let it go on for a few months see how it all works, then he should listen for suggestions on how to tweak it

i think we can agree to disagree, i see it how i see it, you see it how you see it, and i understand that

but a permant loss of 5% bonus (which is knocking you back one level) from prior to tauri, or living god + 1 to living god etc....... I think that is a little harsh and I hope to see forum implement it with the 1 month complete loss first........then it go back to normal.......so we can see how hard the descesions will reall be etc........ thats just my 2 cents

[Hammond]

But its called the MAIN server for a reason, its the one that the most people play. Most people would have that be the main if not only account to join.

how did you come up with that one. how do you know what most people want?

all i see is people saying main and ascention should be linked, there are only two saying otherwise. and that to me is not MOST people.

and i read you saying a few pages ago that the majority in this thread is really the minority in the game due to the majority not reading the forum or playing ascetion.
well tough why should the game be changed to suit those who cant even be bothered to read the forum or play the damn game.

those who put the effort in will have there opinions noted and if the rest stay silent they will lose out. and they deserve it.

[Nostradamus]

But its called the MAIN server for a reason, its the one that the most people play. Most people would have that be the main if not only account to join.

Could you stop whinning here kid. There is a known fact : WITH GREATER POWER COMES GREATER RESPONSABILITY ...... you want the power but you dont want to take responsability - wake up it doesnt work like that. If you would of red the text before ascending it clearly says there are GREAT risks ahead of you, but also GREAT benefits.

Also stop whining about LG+1 players with huge UP that after losing 5% bonus cant ascend. This is **Filtered** - in the 1 month period with no bonus (the minimum penaly so far) no matter what UP they have they would gain 50% of the UU needed to ascend .... a huge UP means a large army as well so I'm 100% positive that after 1 month they can ascend again.

[311 [TA]]

But its called the MAIN server for a reason, its the one that the most people play. Most people would have that be the main if not only account to join.

Could you stop whinning here kid. There is a known fact : WITH GREATER POWER COMES GREATER RESPONSABILITY ...... you want the power but you dont want to take responsability - wake up it doesnt work like that. If you would of red the text before ascending it clearly says there are GREAT risks ahead of you, but also GREAT benefits.

Also stop whining about LG+1 players with huge UP that after losing 5% bonus cant ascend. This is **Filtered** - in the 1 month period with no bonus (the minimum penaly so far) no matter what UP they have they would gain 50% of the UU needed to ascend .... a huge UP means a large army as well so I'm 100% positive that after 1 month they can ascend again.

the up part of your comment i will give you

a player that has covert /anti-covert 31 and has that reset may not agree with you on it being easy to take care of in 1 month....if they need to ascend again



FORUMS SUGGESTION IS PERFECT just the way it is

with the addition of some vacation mode changes like many have said

[Nostradamus]

Lol ..... with covert and anti-covert at that level he would get enough APP to make sure he's never descended again ..... I think he would like that.

[High Empty]

k well i've read some of this, forum will have his work cut out for him.

your basic idea is ok,

we need to have a strong control on 1 vs 1 thing. Such as if there are 10 attacks that win within 24 hours from the same person then that person is trying to desend the other person, and so no further attack will be allow on that person for a duration of 72 days execpt by the person doing the attacking.

This will pervent allaince acting together and descending someone thur a joint action.

VAC should be linked with Acsend being the main factor.

You should be able to ascend in main to regain your power quicker.

Looking at the market you will need to think about it.( no trades for turns)

IS the current attack turn limit going to remain? and is it possible to double the sped of ascend turn making. ie raise the limit to 4k turns and the turn production to 2 a turn.

Having a bonus from descending someone? ( Yes but, only if there army size is nomore then 2x the person.)

more to come back to work now.