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Re: The Dominium Commandos v the YMCA...erm village people?

lone dragon wrote:Kinda a bad example but this makes no sense to me any way I am going back to work.

why is it a bad example? Members have the right to be offended by things. Contrary to popular belief JT does not control every aspect of the DDE or the game although it is flattering to get the credit for it...if 85% of the members get offended or pissed off at something yes I can beat the mad rush back because I have a really big stick, but it would be wrong for me to do so. As you can see some members were offended (for lack of a better terms) and some were not, hence the birth of Commandos, so the ones that want to can do something about it, and the ones that dont, wont. so let me tell you all what I tell my people.

STOP WHINING AND START SHINING
A KITE RISES AGAINST THE WIND, NOT WITH THE WIND
A RUBBER BAND IS USELESS UNTIL IT IS STRETCHED TO ITS UTTER LIMIT
get the picture people?

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Re: The Dominium Commandos v the YMCA...erm village people?

Empy wrote:
MajorLeeHurts wrote:
Empy wrote:
MajorLeeHurts wrote:Haz ask Empy and Earendill pickle.

Its all there in black and white ;) well except what got modded that is .....


but what do I know :P

It is quite amusing how you all are like whaaa what did we do ...
Lol here it all comes pouring out! Waaaa, the Mods did their jobs, waaaa, let's mass them ingame, waaaa.


Why does it always have to be about the "MODS " Maybe you have a MOD complex or some repressed guilt :)

Allow me to take your hand and walk you over to where you got a bit big and disrespected the Empire and was warned a number of times over and over but still kept going at it. I dont believe for a second that you didnt see this coming so dont play innocent.

viewtopic.php?f=124&t=192053
because you said ask Empy and Eärendil, 2 Mods, and brought up how something was modded...

I was mistaken and it's back to your original reason though, youguys don't like it when other people express their opinion.


Your opinions were disrespectful and antagonistic the fact that you are mods is just a curious coincidence.
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Jedi~Tank wrote:
lone dragon wrote:Kinda a bad example but this makes no sense to me any way I am going back to work.

why is it a bad example? Members have the right to be offended by things. Contrary to popular belief JT does not control every aspect of the DDE or the game although it is flattering to get the credit for it...if 85% of the members get offended or pissed off at something yes I can beat the mad rush back because I have a really big stick, but it would be wrong for me to do so. As you can see some members were offended (for lack of a better terms) and some were not, hence the birth of Commandos, so the ones that want to can do something about it, and the ones that dont, wont. so let me tell you all what I tell my people.

STOP WHINING AND START SHINING
A KITE RISES AGAINST THE WIND, NOT WITH THE WIND
A RUBBER BAND IS USELESS UNTIL IT IS STRETCHED TO ITS UTTER LIMIT
get the picture people?

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Empy wrote:
MajorLeeHurts wrote:
Empy wrote:
MajorLeeHurts wrote:Haz ask Empy and Earendill pickle.

Its all there in black and white ;) well except what got modded that is .....


but what do I know :P

It is quite amusing how you all are like whaaa what did we do ...
Lol here it all comes pouring out! Waaaa, the Mods did their jobs, waaaa, let's mass them ingame, waaaa.


Why does it always have to be about the "MODS " Maybe you have a MOD complex or some repressed guilt :)

Allow me to take your hand and walk you over to where you got a bit big and disrespected the Empire and was warned a number of times over and over but still kept going at it. I dont believe for a second that you didnt see this coming so dont play innocent.

viewtopic.php?f=124&t=192053
because you said ask Empy and Eärendil, 2 Mods, and brought up how something was modded...

I was mistaken and it's back to your original reason though, youguys don't like it when other people express their opinion.


Your opinions were disrespectful and antagonistic the fact that you are mods is just a curious coincidence.


Can someone actually point out who and what they were being disrespectful about, instead of beating around the bush?
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Jack was right about you, I think.
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Re: The Dominium Commandos v the YMCA...erm village people?

Well My reasoning was simple i was bored there was alot of stuff to kill and we killed it

but those are my reasons and mine alone :-D

can all the whiniing stop now ?plz?

i asked nicely dont make me demand it stop :sge
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mephis wrote:Well My reasoning was simple i was bored there was alot of stuff to kill and we killed it

but those are my reasons and mine alone :-D

can all the whiniing stop now ?plz?

i asked nicely dont make me demand it stop :sge


You have no way of enforcing said demand, you're already massing us. And yes you gave your reason, but that isn't the reason for this war.
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SuperSaiyan wrote:I'm a staff member so naturally I'm used to unjustified abusive commentary, so really I don't mind ;)
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Ĕɱƿŷ wrote:So I heard that when becoming a moderator you are subjected to hours and hours of "The Forum is good, the Forum is great, we surrender our will as of this date".

that is incorrect... nothing resembling prostration...

Forced labor on the other hand........ :sge
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*hypothetically...
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Re: The Dominium Commandos v the YMCA...erm village people?

Haz wrote:
mephis wrote:Well My reasoning was simple i was bored there was alot of stuff to kill and we killed it

but those are my reasons and mine alone :-D

can all the whiniing stop now ?plz?

i asked nicely dont make me demand it stop :sge


You have no way of enforcing said demand, you're already massing us. And yes you gave your reason, but that isn't the reason for this war.


Reason for the war?thats all u wanted sorry my bad i didnt see that in the half million posts about it :roll: ](*,)

Truthfully i snuck into Lizzies Dungeon and unshackled everyone not my fault they Gravitated outward causing Utter Destruction solely on HVE

Sorry lizzie i just didnt think it was appropriate anymore....forgive me? :smt060
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Re: The Dominium Commandos v the YMCA...erm village people?

SuperSaiyan wrote:I do not understand why there is 16 pages of literally the same crap over and over and over. Everyone is literally repeating themselves now ](*,)

You massed us, it happens. This isn't the first time and it won't be the last I'm sure. We'll all scuffle around a bit and we'll all just move on to other things like we always do. When last I saw this thread it was nice and spammy, the war looked like it wasn't going to be a piece of crap. 10 pages later and look where we are. Why?


As I'm sure you've seen we are retaliating as we can and will continue to do so throughout the fight.
So now all thats left to do is have some nice back and forth with each other and enjoy the game.
I read through this thread and you know what, random massing is not the biggest thing killing this game. Its always existed, honestly it happens less now than it did years ago. Updates aren't killing this game either, good ones bad ones they too have always existed. No matter what people will **Filtered** about em. If you search it on here this game has been having doomsday prophecies since I think 06 related to updates :roll:

Here is the not-so-secret ingredient... Its crap like this thread that is killing the game. Like it or not this community is the biggest thing keeping the game afloat. But threads like this are like a disease that destroy activity, they destroy morale, and they drive people away. I have I think the 3rd highest post count on this forum "Total posts: 24456" "Posts made within the last year: 2478" I do almost everything in PMs on here now as its so much more enjoyable and that makes me sad as I used to love posting around and having fun.

Its just not worth posting on a forum when everything turns into this utter nonsense. I know both DDE/HVE are just 'defending' themselves/their perspective, its a war so thats going to happen. But this has gone way beyond that and I am not the only one to see it. When JT and I were talking earlier he said straight out it would be best to lock it. The constant trolling, the pissing and moaning about things, the negativity, the just utter BS... there is nothing left to balance it out as all the good stuff is all but faded away. So again I give a thumbs up to deathlok for the RP (my next post will share that enthusiasm). Hopefully we can see more of that and less of 20 pages of **Filtered** no one wants to read. So lets try to drop the political nonsense and propaganda.


The war is on now, we've got our terms. I guess all thats left is for us to pick an end date?
In the mean time, both sides should be enjoying the fight. Bigger, smaller, doesn't matter. In the end the resources can be re-attained. Both sides here have their issues with one another, its understandable as both groups are completely opposite styles of playing/opposite personalities, its bound to happen. The key is what you make of it.

Let this vent the steam and hopefully our two bunches of crazy ass e-hermit gamers can return to a less chaotic relation soon enough.

Have fun everyone, try to not let the crap sweep you into it and drag you down into the dank abyss in which it resides. Its never an enjoyable trip.


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I come on here to see the damage dealt. I don't want to see other people talking **Filtered** all day. Well said SS. Well said.
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SuperSaiyan wrote:I do not understand why there is 16 pages of literally the same crap over and over and over. Everyone is literally repeating themselves now ](*,)

You massed us, it happens. This isn't the first time and it won't be the last I'm sure. We'll all scuffle around a bit and we'll all just move on to other things like we always do. When last I saw this thread it was nice and spammy, the war looked like it wasn't going to be a piece of crap. 10 pages later and look where we are. Why?


As I'm sure you've seen we are retaliating as we can and will continue to do so throughout the fight.
So now all thats left to do is have some nice back and forth with each other and enjoy the game.
I read through this thread and you know what, random massing is not the biggest thing killing this game. Its always existed, honestly it happens less now than it did years ago. Updates aren't killing this game either, good ones bad ones they too have always existed. No matter what people will **Filtered** about em. If you search it on here this game has been having doomsday prophecies since I think 06 related to updates :roll:

Here is the not-so-secret ingredient... Its crap like this thread that is killing the game. Like it or not this community is the biggest thing keeping the game afloat. But threads like this are like a disease that destroy activity, they destroy morale, and they drive people away. I have I think the 3rd highest post count on this forum "Total posts: 24456" "Posts made within the last year: 2478" I do almost everything in PMs on here now as its so much more enjoyable and that makes me sad as I used to love posting around and having fun.

Its just not worth posting on a forum when everything turns into this utter nonsense. I know both DDE/HVE are just 'defending' themselves/their perspective, its a war so thats going to happen. But this has gone way beyond that and I am not the only one to see it. When JT and I were talking earlier he said straight out it would be best to lock it. The constant trolling, the pissing and moaning about things, the negativity, the just utter BS... there is nothing left to balance it out as all the good stuff is all but faded away. So again I give a thumbs up to deathlok for the RP (my next post will share that enthusiasm). Hopefully we can see more of that and less of 20 pages of **Filtered** no one wants to read. So lets try to drop the political nonsense and propaganda.


The war is on now, we've got our terms. I guess all thats left is for us to pick an end date?
In the mean time, both sides should be enjoying the fight. Bigger, smaller, doesn't matter. In the end the resources can be re-attained. Both sides here have their issues with one another, its understandable as both groups are completely opposite styles of playing/opposite personalities, its bound to happen. The key is what you make of it.

Let this vent the steam and hopefully our two bunches of crazy ass e-hermit gamers can return to a less chaotic relation soon enough.

Have fun everyone, try to not let the crap sweep you into it and drag you down into the dank abyss in which it resides. Its never an enjoyable trip.

But what else is there to do? :P

I have since been told what this war is supposedly about... To be honest I think it's ridiculous and hypocritical. I'd much rather DDE say it was just a random massing and be done with it so we can have some fun :D
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CC Leader: n haz thsi time it wasnt ur fault
Bralor wrote:hey haz how long do you estimate until someone blames you and masses HVE again?
Field Marshall wrote:On a seperate issue - where is Haz? He's the glue we really need right now!
SuperSaiyan wrote:I'm a staff member so naturally I'm used to unjustified abusive commentary, so really I don't mind ;)
Zeratul wrote:
Ĕɱƿŷ wrote:So I heard that when becoming a moderator you are subjected to hours and hours of "The Forum is good, the Forum is great, we surrender our will as of this date".

that is incorrect... nothing resembling prostration...

Forced labor on the other hand........ :sge
SuperSaiyan says (2:04 PM):
*that was kernal potter
*colonel
*wow I just made that typo

SuperSaiyan says (2:05 PM):
*no one will speak of this
*or I take muff's veggies away
*and he starves
Hope says (2:59 AM):
*hypothetically, how bad would it be if i descended someone... but forgot to Godquest them first, and they're active, and in an active alliance...
Hope says (3:00 AM):
*hypothetically...
Murris says (3:00 AM):
*ah **Filtered** why am i descended....
Angnoch Freddie says:
i hate being a mod...
i just wanted the blue color XD
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Re: The Dominium Commandos v the YMCA...erm village people?

SuperSaiyan wrote:I do not understand why there is 16 pages of literally the same crap over and over and over. Everyone is literally repeating themselves now ](*,)

You massed us, it happens. This isn't the first time and it won't be the last I'm sure. We'll all scuffle around a bit and we'll all just move on to other things like we always do. When last I saw this thread it was nice and spammy, the war looked like it wasn't going to be a piece of crap. 10 pages later and look where we are. Why?


As I'm sure you've seen we are retaliating as we can and will continue to do so throughout the fight.
So now all thats left to do is have some nice back and forth with each other and enjoy the game.
I read through this thread and you know what, random massing is not the biggest thing killing this game. Its always existed, honestly it happens less now than it did years ago. Updates aren't killing this game either, good ones bad ones they too have always existed. No matter what people will **Filtered** about em. If you search it on here this game has been having doomsday prophecies since I think 06 related to updates :roll:

Here is the not-so-secret ingredient... Its crap like this thread that is killing the game. Like it or not this community is the biggest thing keeping the game afloat. But threads like this are like a disease that destroy activity, they destroy morale, and they drive people away. I have I think the 3rd highest post count on this forum "Total posts: 24456" "Posts made within the last year: 2478" I do almost everything in PMs on here now as its so much more enjoyable and that makes me sad as I used to love posting around and having fun.

Its just not worth posting on a forum when everything turns into this utter nonsense. I know both DDE/HVE are just 'defending' themselves/their perspective, its a war so thats going to happen. But this has gone way beyond that and I am not the only one to see it. When JT and I were talking earlier he said straight out it would be best to lock it. The constant trolling, the pissing and moaning about things, the negativity, the just utter BS... there is nothing left to balance it out as all the good stuff is all but faded away. So again I give a thumbs up to deathlok for the RP (my next post will share that enthusiasm). Hopefully we can see more of that and less of 20 pages of **Filtered** no one wants to read. So lets try to drop the political nonsense and propaganda.


The war is on now, we've got our terms. I guess all thats left is for us to pick an end date?
In the mean time, both sides should be enjoying the fight. Bigger, smaller, doesn't matter. In the end the resources can be re-attained. Both sides here have their issues with one another, its understandable as both groups are completely opposite styles of playing/opposite personalities, its bound to happen. The key is what you make of it.

Let this vent the steam and hopefully our two bunches of crazy ass e-hermit gamers can return to a less chaotic relation soon enough.

Have fun everyone, try to not let the crap sweep you into it and drag you down into the dank abyss in which it resides. Its never an enjoyable trip.
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I had fun tonight. Thanks HVE. Hopefully someone can take my ridiculous defense...

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Empy wrote:
SuperSaiyan wrote:I do not understand why there is 16 pages of literally the same crap over and over and over. Everyone is literally repeating themselves now ](*,)

You massed us, it happens. This isn't the first time and it won't be the last I'm sure. We'll all scuffle around a bit and we'll all just move on to other things like we always do. When last I saw this thread it was nice and spammy, the war looked like it wasn't going to be a piece of crap. 10 pages later and look where we are. Why?


As I'm sure you've seen we are retaliating as we can and will continue to do so throughout the fight.
So now all thats left to do is have some nice back and forth with each other and enjoy the game.
I read through this thread and you know what, random massing is not the biggest thing killing this game. Its always existed, honestly it happens less now than it did years ago. Updates aren't killing this game either, good ones bad ones they too have always existed. No matter what people will **Filtered** about em. If you search it on here this game has been having doomsday prophecies since I think 06 related to updates :roll:

Here is the not-so-secret ingredient... Its crap like this thread that is killing the game. Like it or not this community is the biggest thing keeping the game afloat. But threads like this are like a disease that destroy activity, they destroy morale, and they drive people away. I have I think the 3rd highest post count on this forum "Total posts: 24456" "Posts made within the last year: 2478" I do almost everything in PMs on here now as its so much more enjoyable and that makes me sad as I used to love posting around and having fun.

Its just not worth posting on a forum when everything turns into this utter nonsense. I know both DDE/HVE are just 'defending' themselves/their perspective, its a war so thats going to happen. But this has gone way beyond that and I am not the only one to see it. When JT and I were talking earlier he said straight out it would be best to lock it. The constant trolling, the pissing and moaning about things, the negativity, the just utter BS... there is nothing left to balance it out as all the good stuff is all but faded away. So again I give a thumbs up to deathlok for the RP (my next post will share that enthusiasm). Hopefully we can see more of that and less of 20 pages of **Filtered** no one wants to read. So lets try to drop the political nonsense and propaganda.


The war is on now, we've got our terms. I guess all thats left is for us to pick an end date?
In the mean time, both sides should be enjoying the fight. Bigger, smaller, doesn't matter. In the end the resources can be re-attained. Both sides here have their issues with one another, its understandable as both groups are completely opposite styles of playing/opposite personalities, its bound to happen. The key is what you make of it.

Let this vent the steam and hopefully our two bunches of crazy ass e-hermit gamers can return to a less chaotic relation soon enough.

Have fun everyone, try to not let the crap sweep you into it and drag you down into the dank abyss in which it resides. Its never an enjoyable trip.

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CC Leader: n haz thsi time it wasnt ur fault
Bralor wrote:hey haz how long do you estimate until someone blames you and masses HVE again?
Field Marshall wrote:On a seperate issue - where is Haz? He's the glue we really need right now!
SuperSaiyan wrote:I'm a staff member so naturally I'm used to unjustified abusive commentary, so really I don't mind ;)
Zeratul wrote:
Ĕɱƿŷ wrote:So I heard that when becoming a moderator you are subjected to hours and hours of "The Forum is good, the Forum is great, we surrender our will as of this date".

that is incorrect... nothing resembling prostration...

Forced labor on the other hand........ :sge
SuperSaiyan says (2:04 PM):
*that was kernal potter
*colonel
*wow I just made that typo

SuperSaiyan says (2:05 PM):
*no one will speak of this
*or I take muff's veggies away
*and he starves
Hope says (2:59 AM):
*hypothetically, how bad would it be if i descended someone... but forgot to Godquest them first, and they're active, and in an active alliance...
Hope says (3:00 AM):
*hypothetically...
Murris says (3:00 AM):
*ah **Filtered** why am i descended....
Angnoch Freddie says:
i hate being a mod...
i just wanted the blue color XD
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Re: The Dominium Commandos v the YMCA...erm village people?

thought id better check out the war thread, so read through 16 pages :shock: :shock: :shock: don't think i really need to comment...

unfortunately missed the initial massing as was fast asleep. looking forward to some fun with you guys and girls from HVE :smt047

im only 37/34, so should be able to have some fun with that :-D will be dropping ppt as soon as there is something worth killing... :smt106

see you in my logs soon HVE :D
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Re: The Dominium Commandos v the YMCA...erm village people?

goood luck villagers have fun commandoz
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dont fight a retard..they'lll drag you down and beat you with experience
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