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Posted: **Mon Nov 17, 2008 5:17 am**

LegendaryApophis wrote:
Mister Sandman wrote:
LegendaryApophis wrote:I wonder if homosexuality is a choice or determined by genes, I don't know there. But well, I don't really understand gays, how can they find men more attractive than women? Seriously, human women (not all, I know lol) are the most attractive living form that exists in this universe (for a man)!
As said previously, the ying and the yang explains why men are attracted by women and women attracted by men, so if you don't think so, it's like breaking the universe equilibrium! (like if there was batteries with - and + only had - and - or + and +)

How can it be genetic?

Its more environmental. However, the underlying truth is that homosexuality is a choice. A personal choice.

Don't ask me! As I said, I don't know!
Still that I *don't* understand either how a man can not be attracted by women. Considering how women are and look like.

Thank you and I agree woman are beautiful and attractive and so are men. The body is meant to be attractive the little subtitles the curvs the dimples the definition. The human body is spectacular male or female and I dare say that by your statement that you think it is impossible for a man to think a man is attractive.

I beg to differ ... and offer an example

Now when any fine upstanding heterosexual man watches pornography

One would ofc want the actors to be aesthetically pleasing and they usually are.

In this scenario the man watching has set standards of the level of attractiveness for the male performing.

Now Im not saying you find the male body attractive I am saying that you assume that homosexuality is about sexual attraction and are limited in your thinking because of that.

Look beyond the sexual acts and consider love.

sex is a choice , love is not.

Posted: **Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:14 am**

MajorLeeHurts wrote:
LegendaryApophis wrote:
Mister Sandman wrote:
LegendaryApophis wrote:I wonder if homosexuality is a choice or determined by genes, I don't know there. But well, I don't really understand gays, how can they find men more attractive than women? Seriously, human women (not all, I know lol) are the most attractive living form that exists in this universe (for a man)!
As said previously, the ying and the yang explains why men are attracted by women and women attracted by men, so if you don't think so, it's like breaking the universe equilibrium! (like if there was batteries with - and + only had - and - or + and +)

How can it be genetic?

Its more environmental. However, the underlying truth is that homosexuality is a choice. A personal choice.

Don't ask me! As I said, I don't know!
Still that I *don't* understand either how a man can not be attracted by women. Considering how women are and look like.

Thank you and I agree woman are beautiful and attractive and so are men. The body is meant to be attractive the little subtitles the curvs the dimples the definition. The human body is spectacular male or female and I dare say that by your statement that you think it is impossible for a man to think a man is attractive.

I beg to differ ... and offer an example

Now when any fine upstanding heterosexual man watches pornography One would ofc want the actors to be aesthetically pleasing and they usually are.

In this scenario the man watching has set standards of the level of attractiveness for the male performing.

Now Im not saying you find the male body attractive I am saying that you assume that homosexuality is about sexual attraction and are limited in your thinking because of that.

Look beyond the sexual acts and consider love.

sex is a choice , love is not.

I wasn't talking about the pornography part, as it concerns gays and lesbians as well.
If I do love someone, it's about what this person is (personality, intelligence, tastes etc) and physical apparence. So that's why I can't love a guy, because attraction matters somehow, by that I mean beauty of the person counts 50%. Both are needed for me to love someone. Being good inside, and looking pretty outside. Only situation where it could happen where I do mistake, could be online relation stuff, by someone pretending to be woman and rping it quite well and with fake pics etc... but if I found out the woman was in reality a guy...preferable for him to live in south of Australia or in Japan hehe :-D

Playing with me like that I don't allow it hehehehe :-D

Posted: **Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:21 am**

Sandman, you're wrong, being gay is anything if it's a personal choice, and don't argue with me on this, I've grown up with it and if anyone had come up to me with a form to sign saying whether I'd be gay or straight I no I'd have chosen the latter. You grow that way, when I see a woman, they could be the most aesthetically pleasing woman in the world but to me... they're fragile, and physically weaker, it's almost like the thought of having sex with a child... I couldn't imagine having more than a friendship with them. On a fundamental level however the only relationship I could find myself having would be with some one who's a match for me, mentally, emotionally and physically, I can't choose any other way...

@Avenger To answer your question, I'm 19 years old, and most of my immediate family were alright with me being gay after a while, there are always a few people who decide to hate me for it though, but I've made my peace with that a long time ago.

Posted: **Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:52 am**

I'm sure that with such words you could anger quite some women, and a part of them being in no way weaker physically than an average man. And I'm not talking about bodybuilding/sumo ones.
Sounds like a big prejudice to me that women are weaker than men.

Posted: **Mon Nov 17, 2008 11:05 am**

No, it's just physiology, you're right, there are some women who are built strongly, but they are a minority and, they tend to have other feminine attributes I find off putting (the shape of a women's body seems...weird to me). Strength and physical size aren't feminine characteristics, they're masculine, I don't find small, effeminate men particularly attractive either, it's masculine elements that I'm attracted to, and I'm betting lot's of straight women feel the same way.

Posted: **Mon Nov 17, 2008 11:16 am**

the thought of getting into bed with someone either as hairy as me or built like a man (and i've seen some woman who are built like men

) is well.... :-&

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@fireball...dude, saying women are physically not equal to men is laughable. i've met some women who are total animals in the bed and the very thought of them being treated like flowers is completely off putting for them.
i know your saying thats the impression you get when you see them but let me tell you something...there are women out there who might look petite but are more aggressive and robust in the bed than men!

and just for the record, i would NEVER accept anyone in my family telling me they were gay, chances are in my family they would never even get the chance to tell me, i would have to fight off the rest of the family just to get a boot in!!!

you should try a Klingon woman...damn, i'd love to give 1 of them a going over :lol:

just kidding, trying to lighten the mood :-D

Didn't lighten my mood infact changed my view on this discussion entirely... Pig

Posted: **Mon Nov 17, 2008 11:43 am**

That's why women shave the little amount of hairs they can have on legs and arm(pit)s, as hairs are an ugly thing, especially on women (who are beautiful and don't need ugly stuff on them)! :-&

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Posted: **Mon Nov 17, 2008 1:55 pm**

Thoe I did promiss myslef to discontinue in this thread since it serves no purpose to be trying to brake the magic circle of the repeating "argumentations"...

GunZ wrote:I voted no...not out of hate , nor bias...but out of tradition and common sense.

For all of recorded history ''marriage'' has been a term used to define the TRADITION of a man and a woman entering into a lifetime commitment . Yea, I know marriages fail , and people fail , but the meaning of that tradition remains.

Words mean things folks. I do not care how sincere people are , when two people of the same sex decide to commit to each other...that is not the same as the union a man and a woman have. To say otherwise diminishes the meaning of the term and the commitment therein.

It is a slippery slope to redefine traditional definition of historically recognized relationships. Can two girls be brothers ? Can a 30 year old and a 12 year old be twins ? WHY NOT ? because WORDS are societies attempt to define norms.

If two guys can be married...why not a guy and a horse? I know that is an absurd example...but the point should be noted by anyone of reasonable intellect.

I am not gay, and the idea of two people entering into a lifetime bond does not repulse me . But to call it marriage to me is just ...well, goofy.

Call it a union , a life bond or a pickle, hell I do not care. But I do know it is NOT the same as the relationship society and history and tradition has called marriage for 4000 years.

To me it disrespects our traditions and morays to suddenly ''re-define'' the term .

Just WTH were you when they decided monogamy was to replace polygamy lol.

To be fiddling around semantics as some rationalle is silly, honestly. And the above quoted rationalle in particular is hillarious, to put it mildly... we cant call a gay marriage marriage cos ppl will end up marrying horses and sister and brother will loose all meaning... please man, you actually buy what you sell?

Posted: **Mon Nov 17, 2008 2:02 pm**

Anyway, I know that in my country, unlike most of posters' countries (minus the USA and few others), gay marriage is not going to be permitted anytime soon..

Posted: **Mon Nov 17, 2008 11:04 pm**

LegendaryApophis wrote:Anyway, I know that in my country, unlike most of posters' countries (minus the USA and few others), gay marriage is not going to be permitted anytime soon..

And there is no reason to permit them either.

fireball37 wrote:Sandman, you're wrong, being gay is anything if it's a personal choice, and don't argue with me on this, I've grown up with it and if anyone had come up to me with a form to sign saying whether I'd be gay or straight I no I'd have chosen the latter. You grow that way, when I see a woman, they could be the most aesthetically pleasing woman in the world but to me... they're fragile, and physically weaker, it's almost like the thought of having sex with a child... I couldn't imagine having more than a friendship with them. On a fundamental level however the only relationship I could find myself having would be with some one who's a match for me, mentally, emotionally and physically, I can't choose any other way...

"Grown Up with it" - Environment, I assume people said you are gay because you may be more "feminine" than others. I assume people have called you a gay.

You saying that you would rather choose being straight over being gay is direct conflict with your way of life. If you want to be straight, then there isn't anything you stopping you, apart from yourself, to become straight.

On the note of women being "fragile, and physically weaker" it directly links in the male mentality to protect the weak. Admittedly there are much stronger women out there but overall it the women, not the body.

I could find myself having would be with some one who's a match for me, mentally, emotionally and physically, I can't choose any other way...

That is basically saying if a horse who is a mental, emotional and physical match is "acceptable" by your terms.

That is sick, wrong, and plainly weird.

MajorLeeHurts wrote:
Look beyond the sexual acts and consider love.

sex is a choice , love is not.

I have already stated that love is a choice.
Whether it is, storge, philia, eros, or agape. To love is a conscious and unconscious choice. A choice.

Posted: **Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:38 am**

So you`re advertly saying that if you want to be gay, then there isn't anything you stopping you, apart from yourself, to become gay. In essence, sexual preference is an "accured taste" lol? Someone should spread this word to the 5-6k of homesexual youth that topp themselves off each year cos they cant handle being "sick sinners" and the abuse of narrow minded people heh... You just have to close your eyes and clap your heels dorothy. And stay in the closet till the 2nd coming. Good girl.

But I get the rationalle, being of chatolic background. If a gay were to start a heterosexual family just to fit in he`d be one of us str8 away (pun intended). Afterall, good honest christians are all about life long pennence and guilt, arent they/we lol.

Seriously, having faith is a "choice". Getting "horny" over a girl instead of a guy is not my choice and something I can control. How presumptious would it be of me to presume they can focus their attractions any more than I can?

Cant we just accept that God made them that way? :-D

Posted: **Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:25 am**

Brdavs wrote:
Cant we just accept that God made them that way?

NO! unless your saying "God" (or nature, take your pick) made a mistake?
or that God/nature somehow approves of homosexuality?
or that "God" gave men and women a rectum so it could be penetrated?
or that men were meant to have a 3rd hole "God" somehow forgot to install?
or....

Posted: **Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:47 am**

MajorLeeHurts wrote:Now when any fine upstanding heterosexual man watches pornography One would ofc want the actors to be aesthetically pleasing and they usually are.

all i have to say is........Ron Jermeny

Posted: **Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:50 am**

papa~smurf wrote:
MajorLeeHurts wrote:Now when any fine upstanding heterosexual man watches pornography One would ofc want the actors to be aesthetically pleasing and they usually are.

all i have to say is........Ron Jermeny

And who is that then?

Posted: **Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:03 am**

A hairy P-star

:-&

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